I guess the environment has something to do with it, what they see, what they here

There are hormones. It's been proven that the growth hormones in the beef and other foods we eat affects the hormones in growing children. Also, food is much more plentiful for kids now than in the 70's or 50's.

WHen I was in school, the first girl to get a training bra was 10 and got the hell bugged out of her. Poor Allison. Now they're getting them at 8.

Anyone remember the AVN show in Vegas one summer a few years ago where our hall was just past the one where the tap dancing contestants were?

Talk about what should have been a wake up call for the parents, seeing their kids dressed in similar outfits and with similar makeup to all the porn stars cruising by...

I had a B cup at 9 and a C by 11. I remember coming to school in 6th grade one morning without a bra because I forgot to put one on and I was freaked out. A friend of mine was in the bathroom crying when I got to school and I asked her why and she told me she forgot to wear hers that day, too. So we both wore our jackets all day. Nowadays I think some of the well-endowed girls go without a bra on purpose. :Oh crap

Look, I had a good theory going. You didn't have to blast it out of the water so quickly. :winkwink:

Yeah I remember those days whenI forgot my bra, esp. on gym class days. Oh the horror! The embarrassment! How did we ever survive school, anyway?

LOL! Well, I was the exception when I was in school There were only a couple of girls in my school bigger than a B by 6th grade. :)

I know alot of content girls as well as strippers and hookers...I have been in the adult business for 20 years now. I do know of girls that you refer to , but again you were missing what I was pointing out in the first place.. im just too tired to keep typing it..lol

Not enough kids get smacked around now adays. Five fingers to the face may put some of these punks in check. :thumbsup

In my opinion, the raising of a child ends at around 12.. and really most of the values instilled in that child are way before that, from between 3 and 6 yrs old.

After that all you can do is offer guidance, the die is cast.. By YOU

While I agree with what you are saying there are still things that are under a parent's control.

A piercing tattoo shop won't take a kid who walks in off the street without an adult especially if she's 12.

A 12 year old will have a difficult time to get to that shop if the parent isn't driving them and plopping down the $50+ it costs to get some of these piercings.

That's clearly a parental mistake IMO.

I don't agree one bit. When your kids hit the nearly teenager stage you need to spend even more time making sure they are doing the right thing.

and what is this 12 yr old going to do when they get the big NO from the parents? By the time a child is that old, they are going to do what they're going to do whether you like it or not.. if I were in that situation.. (and I was) I would offer to pay for her to have it done in a professional manner instead of her going behind my back and getting a friend to do it.

My 14 yr old daughter taunted me a little by saying she wanted to get her nose pierced.. she thought I'd be mortified.. well.. actually I was.. but I said to her.. sure.. I'll make an appointment for you, and we'll get it done tomorrow.. she said.. well no, I don't want it done yet, I'm still thinking about it..

she never did it.. thank goodness..

See, I was relying on what I'd instilled in her when she was younger.. whew.. being a parent is hard!

I think you missed my point KimmyKim, I said the raising ends.. not the guidance.. and you can't force a teenager to do anything, and have it work out well.. anyone with teenagers knows that already

That's not the issue...I didn't start a thread about kids doing things behind their parents backs..that happens I did it we all did it..but we are talking about parents who enable their kids...parents are pussies now...that's the truth.
Fuck the time out bullshit..fuck the discussion bullshit...bullshit hippy logic has put us where we are now.

To much MTV

do you have kids eroswebmaster?

Oh yes, you can. My son got caught skipping school one day last fall and I put his ass back in boarding school so fast it made his head spin.

Now he calls home to tell me his grades are fantastic and that he's being moved into harder classes...

This child didn't like school at 8, much less at 13, but he's coming around to my way of thinking now, and it's a good thing. Expensive but worth every dime.

What I think the reason for this is because many of the parents these days were raised during the "counterculture/hippy days" where many were exposed to drugs and sex.

Good for you KK.. I wish I had that control over my youngest.. he is way out of control... the worst part is that Hubby is always there to praise his naughtyness and lets the child know that he really doesnt have to listen to me.. sucks.. my only option at this point is to chain him to the house somehow.. but we all know that would end me up in jail..little man is only 7 and he thinks he can do what he wants..

my teenagers are a blessing and I have no problems with them other than doing chores...of course the know hubby is an asshole and they hate how he treats the youngest..

Curious question, Do you have to share your authority with anyone else at the house.. if so ..do they undermine you when it comes to discipline?.. I'm ready to pack bags and leave the assholes here to live with themselves

I'd like to mention that too... If you ever sit on a couch for a day and just watch MTV, you'd be amazed what goes on.

There is so much sexual innuendos in MTV, it's just crazy.

y'all are prudes.

I was at the nude beach the other day and two very young girls walked by...

just becouse i wear the uniform of a cop, does not make me a cop

First of all we, didn't have MTV parenting us. Didn't have Cable until I was 14. Now,Every video shows men talking about bitches, ho's and bling. Kids have no concept of regular male /female relationships and are bombarded concepts that they don't even need to be worrying about for a long time.


We were at a 7 grade dance and the dj was playing music that was highly inappropriate.

"It's getting hot in here, so take off all your clothes."

"Going to have you naked by the end of this song."

"Girl you look good, won't ya back that ass up.


WTF? This school has a dress code and booty cooler shorts are allowed as LONG as they are Khaki.

You can argue that it's a generational thing, I'll agree some. I thought my parents were way too conservative, but there is so much more influence than we ever dreamed of coming at kids.

Parents don't parent much anymore.

Doing this job has opened my eyes to how easy it is to slide our business right into the mainstream. I always thought it should be separated. Kids should be kids for as long as they can.

Also. Laws in our state say you must be 18 to get pierced. (not ears). Our studios won't touch you, even with mom there saying it's ok.

:2 cents:

what's she gonna get to at 13? pierce her clit?
its fucking insane man

Sluts in Training

I've been raising my nieces on and off for almost 12 years now..so that doesn't fly with me.
Once again we're not talking about what kids will do behind your back...we're talking about what soft ass parents do for kids to "buy their love."

It's pretty apparent that's what this mom is doing...she feels like she can't provide in other ways so what does she do...let's her do pretty much as she pleases.

I speak from experience...I grew up with a mother exactly like that.

At the age of 12-13 years old me and my stepbrother were walking the streets of Fort Worth Texas at all hours of the night...I'm talking about 1-2-3 am.

I spent Holidays in bars with my mom tossing $20's my way to go spend on video games etc..if I wanted liquor I could have it...my mom was at that time smoking pot with my older brother..who before 18 was already in juvi halls and had robbed a 7-11 at gunpoint..stolen a car and robbed the local pot dealer.

On the other hand my father was way too strict...we'd go from hot to cold...a mother who let me have all the dirty mags I wanted and a dad who had me in church 3-4 times a week.

The thing is there has to be a middle ground...and appropriateness.

Parents need to set limits...we all know kids want them...we wanted them.

And if you punish them...it doesn't mean to beat them..but make it real..fuck the time out. If you tell them they lose a priviliege then make sure they lose that privilege until the agreed upon time...you let up one day...one hour...one minute that's a victory in a kids mind.

12 year old girls don't need tongue..nose or belly piercings. If she wants all that then make her earn it through responsible action. Like get a drivers license and a job and then pay for it.

Not lets forget the "new first base", girls 12 and up giving boys blowjobs, at school, on the bus and at their house. Because they seem to think that there is nothing wrong with it. It's not sex and it makes the guys like them more. Forget kissing or touching the tits, nowadays they go straight to the cock

Post pics :1orglaugh

My parents let me wear whatever I wanted as a teenager. I definitely looked like a slut and got lots of attention. Then they wonder why I chose to become a stripper as an adult... :uhoh


It's been shown that the hormones in milk increase breast size.

ok Eroswebmaster, I see where you're coming from now..
I don't know how you got the idea that this is how I'm raising my children, because it definitely isn't.

To me there's a difference between letting children do what they want so you won't be bothered by them, and letting them do what they want in a way that teaches them how to be on their own and be successful at it.

I'm a worrying mom.. I worry constantly and am always looking for signs of problems. I talk to my kids a lot.

I see parents that smother their children with strictness, in fear that they are going to do something wrong, then when they turn 18 they all of a sudden let them go into a world they aren't prepared for. I also see children that do bad things thinking they are getting away with something, when in fact, it's their own lives they're ruining.. I hear them say.. my parents are going to kill me.. they say it to me.. my kids friends... when it's the deed itself and how it affects them they should be focused on.. not the parents reaction to it.

I thought long and hard about how I was going to raise my kids, and I waited until I was ready. I had my daughter when I was 35 and my twin boys when I was 40.

My daughter is now 18 and going to college in the fall. She got herself a scholarship with no help from me, I was very proud that she could accomplish that on her own.

Eroswebmaster, I agree with you 100% there are parents out there that just were never meant to have children. There are children having children.. it's a sad situation.. all I was saying is that by the time children get to the age of 12, the way they will be as an adult is already formed, I didn't say they didn't need any more guidance.. they need even more then.. but forcing them to do things, or not to do things.. nope.. I don't agree with that at all.. what you're talking about is damage control.. and at it's best, it doesn't work all that well

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Show me where I ever discussed the way you're raising your children...I think you're confused.

And once again no one is discussing forcing anyone to do anything..but you have to set limits...and in the context of this discussion tongue piercings should be off limits to children.

I was wrong when I said you discussed the way I raise my children.. sorry

but about the tongue piercings.. you say your not for forcing them to do anything.. but you are forcing them to bend to your will.. I mean.. it's a forced issue if it's something they want to do and you wouldn't allow it.. that's force..

look, I like you a lot eroswebmaster, and I don't want to make you angry.. if I'm going too far just say so and I'll shut up

No you're not making me angry but I find it ridiculous to say someone is being forced...I'm sure you have set limits for your children...you just didn't allow them once they turned 12 to make whatever decisions they wanted to.

You might have allowed them to make some decisions..but there are definite decisions children cannot make.

tongue piercings are REALLY slutty IMO

for her to get it at 12, speechless... wow

you help children make decisions on their own.. that's the right way to go about it in my opinion.. that's pretty much all I was trying to say.. and 12 was just an example.. I've been teaching my kids how to make decisions their whole lives.. it's the basis of all my child rearing philosophies.. teach them how to cope in the world while you still have them with you.. don't do it for them

Just look at the change in the media over the last 30 years. And don't start with 'it's a reflection of society' bullshit because it's not. Marketing is pushing these boundaries.

Like Bill Hicks said; " If you're in marketing, do the world a favor, kill yourself."

I agree that parents need to take a lot of the responsibility, but it's an uphill battle that is not made any easier by many people in the world.

I'm sorry but that's all hippy bullshit...LOL
Not trying to offend you but that is my opinion.
Sure you try to teach kids how to make the right decisions but we both know that they are not always going to do so...so as a responsible parent you at times have to make a decision for them.

It all goes back to age appropriateness. You allow children to make decisions that they are capable of making. And of course you help them through the tougher ones and you decide those for them that are even tougher. Of course you have to eventually let go..but age 12 is not where you do it completely.

'forcing them to bend to your will'? Please.

You're not preparing your children for the real world if you let them whatever the hell they want. There are expectations for behaviour and appearance in the real world. It's not the parents who set those boundaries and preconceptions, it's society.

If you let your 12 year old get her belly button and tongue pierced and dress like a hoochie, people are going to see her as a hoochie, regardless of whether she actually is one or not, and treat her as such. Some parents might think it's 'cute' or they're just trying to let their children 'express themselves' but they'll regret it when their 18 year old daughter is trying to support her 2 kids on her own by swinging on a pole every night...

:2 cents:

yeah i know it is so crazy. kids who are 12 getting their belly button pierced, nose, getting a tattoo, and some even get a boob job. the world is so messed up today

I agree, I also think it's becomming harder and harder to prepare kids for the real world every generation. Not because things are different now, but because the pace of change has increased.

:2 cents:

blame it on brittany spears :1orglaugh

the girls around here are total sluts, my brother who is in 6th grade has aslready gotten head 3 times and fucked a girl he went to the movies with :uhoh

oh yeah.. now I remember why I thought you were talking about me.. it's where you previously mentioned Hippy bullshit in reply to one of my earlier posts.. lol

hey.. let's just agree to disagree.. I have very strong feelings about my plan for raising kids.. I had this plan for years before I had them..

and btw.. my kids have no piercings, and are turning out even better than I could have hoped for.. no kidding.. so I must be doing something right here

it's been nice debating this with you eroswebmaster, you're a cool guy ;)

Sigh... I hear what you're saying. But I do have absolute authority over my son, and if my other half doesn't support me then I'd go ballistic on him in private. My son's a handful, he's smart as a whip and stubborn as the day is long.

But eros comment about kids liking structure is dead on -- my son called me Sunday night, to tell me about moving to a harder math class -- and told me he thought he'd get in less trouble for talking in class, etc in the new class since the teacher has an absolute set of rules and you don't get different reactions on different days for doing the same thing.

Kids are not easy, that's for sure, but we do what we have to for them.

Normally I would agree, but not in this case. My parents wouldn't let me watch R-rated movies that had "sexual situations" until I was 13. After I turned 13, they assumed (as you do) that my personality was already formed and let me choose for myself what to watch and how to dress. I chose to watch sexually suggestive movies and dress slutty -- they didn't stop me. My parents believed the same as you, let me be myself with a little "guidance" in the right direction. Throughout school I was always in GATE classes and my GPA averaged 3.8.

As you can probably imagine, my parents are not proud of me because I work as a stripper. I don't "blame" my parents for my current occupation; I like what I do and I'm good at it. Considering the life I've chosen, I'm very successful. I own my own house, my 2001 luxury car is paid in full, and I don't rely on anyone else to support me.

Parenting doesn't just happen; whether you raise your kids or not they still grow up. While our basic personalities may be developed by age 5, other big life decisions and occupation choices continue to be influenced much much later.


I agree with this completely! :thumbsup

how do you do this? do you sit down and go through the possible consequences of certain decisions with them?

I'm sure at some point in society it was okay for young girls in some culture to have all these body piercings...it's still true for some societies today.

But what happened a bit over 100 years ago we in the US decided to start protecting our children...thus adolescence was born.
Before that you stood a chance at working a factory or the farm when you reached a certain age..you weren't guaranteed an education or protection from adults.
We all know that people married younger and had kids at much younger ages too.
But since then kids have lived in a somewhat protective cocoon expected to do nothing but be kids.
So now here we are in 2004 where most 12 year old girls their biggest decision they'll make this year is whether or not they will kiss a boy.
But society is fucked...we keep running across articles where young girls are blowing more than one guy at a time on the bus...or are allowing boys to video tape them while having sex and then selling it at school...and then Hollywood comes out with a movie with a somewhat similar storyline.
It's all downhill from here boys and girls.