Babel

Key points
? Brigadier Carter warns UK soldiers could be in Iraq for decade
? Brigadier admits local forces too weak to maintain security after hand-over
? British soldiers under attack from militia in Al Amarah, north of Basra
? Tony Blair admits coalition underestimated security difficulties post-Saddam
? Spanish prime minister, José Zapatero, orders Spanish troops out of Iraq

Liberation right

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=439232004

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KraZ

Before you know it, they'll be too old to leave!

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Los

spain is fucked up for doing what they doing u don't start something unless you plan on finishing it. if the us where to pull out right now the world would hate the us even more then they already do.

erehwon

Don't let anyone tell you differently, the U.S. is going to be in Iraq forever, since we are leaving Saudi Arabia, we need a middle eastern country keep forces in case something else flares up.

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before 10 years passes they will all be blown up!

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Babel

Most will have cancer from the Depleted Uranium they are breathing over there

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Paul Waters

Democracy sucks when a country elects a government that won't do what you want...

Claiming the US wants democracy in Iraq is just lies....and PR

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Paul

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or whatever weird ass drugs the government is feeding them at gun point

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Lykos

Exactly

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Gheenz

Oh well, they only had 1300 troops there anyways. It's not like any other country is really contributing. It's just sad for Spain, because they just showed the world that the terrorists can win.

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VideoVoyeur

It'll be another Ireland.

Manowar

lets just hope they dont start conscription

Basic_man

Mouhahaha

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Roger

Looks like by leaving Saudi Arabia, the US is showing the world that terrorists can win.

Roger

They dismantle the army and tell you that local forces are too weak to maintain security

Iraq will be like one of those african colonies, used and abused until it becomes useless.

But if the Iraqis keep killing a few occupiers everyday like they do now, they'll all pack up and leave within a couple of decades.

Rich

Hoping's not going to get you far, if Bush steals another election get your kevlar vest ready.

xenophobic

Hello? the force was only kept in Saudi Arabia to protect them from Iraq, not only did the Saudi's ask us to leave after their bombing, because they feared a continued american presence would incite violence, but they no longer need protection from Iraq!

If we didn't leave, you would be here again with zero clue talking about the american occupation of saudi!!!

Gemini

I can't remember the name of that old time song... the one telling the boys to pack their kit up and then they go off to war... Civil war era I think.

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Roger

Saddam have weapons who can barely reach Kuwait and yet you somehow think he can take on Saudi Arabia? Please, they have plenty of planes, he doesn't.

And no I don't think they gave in to terrorism by leaving Saudi Arabia, I was just applying the same logic that some people around here use about Spain.

Ic3m4nZ

They're dumb because that's even more attacks on London... they even admitted that attacks on London are inevitable : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3515312.stm

Be ready London

xenophobic

Where is the same logic? terrorists threaten Europe, that if they stop killing muslims they'll leave europe alone, the terrorists manipulated the elections in spain, then spain pulls out?

Being asked to leave by the same people who asked for protection is hardly folding to terrorism, so equate that again with your story?

Doctor Dre

Wouldn't surprise me if they'd beh ere for couple years. The situation in iraq is too unstable with all the religions there .

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Roger

The terrorists what? Please, grow up. Spain is still in Afghanistan, that's where the terrorists are.

Ben Laden asked the US to leave Saudi Arabia to.

xenophobic

clearly you manipulate facts to bolster an empty argument.

Bin Laden did not "ask" the United States to leave, he threatened the United States with violence if they did not remove the U.S presence in Saudi, that is not "Asking".

BIN LADIN: We declared jihad against the US government, because the US government is unjust, criminal and tyrannical. It has committed acts that are extremely unjust, hideous and criminal whether directly or through its support of the Israeli occupation of the Prophet's Night Travel Land (Palestine). And we believe the US is directly responsible for those who were killed in Palestine, Lebanon and Iraq. The mention of the US reminds us before everything else of those innocent children who were dismembered, their heads and arms cut off in the recent explosion that took place in Qana (in Lebanon). This US government abandoned even humanitarian feelings by these hideous crimes. It transgressed all bounds and behaved in a way not witnessed before by any power or any imperialist power in the world. They should have been considerate that the qibla (Mecca) of the Muslims upheaves the emotion of the entire Muslim World. Due to its subordination to the Jews the arrogance and haughtiness of the US regime has reached, to the extent that they occupied the qibla of the Muslims (Arabia) who are more than a billion in the world today. For this and other acts of aggression and injustice, we have declared jihad against the US, because in our religion it is our duty to make jihad so that God's word is the one exalted to the heights and so that we drive the Americans away from all Muslim countries. As for what you asked whether jihad is directed against US soldiers, the civilians in the land of the Two Holy Places (Saudi Arabia, Mecca and Medina) or against the civilians in America, we have focused our declaration on striking at the soldiers in the country of The Two Holy Places. The country of the Two Holy Places has in our religion a peculiarity of its own over the other Muslim countries. In our religion, it is not permissible for any non-Muslim to stay in our country. Therefore, even though American civilians are not targeted in our plan, they must leave. We do not guarantee their safety, because we are in a society of more than a billion Muslims. A reaction might take place as a result of US government's hitting Muslim civilians and executing more than 600 thousand Muslim children in Iraq by preventing food and medicine from reaching them. So, the US is responsible for any reaction, because it extended its war against troops to civilians. This is what we say. As for what you asked regarding the American people, they are not exonerated from responsibility, because they chose this government and voted for it despite their knowledge of its crimes in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq and in other places and its support of its agent regimes who filled our prisons with our best children and scholars. We ask that may God release them.

Show me from his own words where he says if we leave Saudi that the jihad would end, unlike with the declaration made to spain/europe?

Roger

Yeah I guess threatened is more appropriate.

He did the same to Spain to, asking them to remove there troops from Iraq and Afganistan. Spain is increasing it's presence in Afghanistan. Enough said.

Spain's president had a plan and stuck with it.