50 nervous guys.

DH

I would break his legs

None. I just have had a few beers with the Gary in the past:thumbsup

He is smarter than alot of you guys think and does things most none of you will think of. Starting with the word "Branding".

Dont Sell DH short on the Branding thing just yet:thumbsup Sex .com has been around for a lot longer, along with the catchy name. So it is easy to remember. But there are other up and comers:2 cents:

Can I borrow this ?

the sex.com traffic indeed sucks aweful
cannot recommend anyone have their money wasted!

Is anyone actually happy nowadays with the sex.com traffic?

:321GFY :321GFY :321GFY ;)

All this shit is branding if I were Gary I would send Choker a check:thumbsup

NOTE: Everyone has a closet of unhappy customers...
It happens.

Especially traffic guys cuz you traffic guys always get an idiot here and there that will not hesitate to jump out on GFY or other places and cry like a bitch.

I am gonna keep my mouth shut as I do not know shit.... but I figured I could get a good sig placement in here :)

You guys are in 2 completely different markets arguing and bitching is rather on a lunatic fringe when looking at it comparatively.

Gary is ALWAYS the first to attack me. He makes false accusations that I use a hitbot, cheat clients, etc. I never said these things about him. I just gather the comments about his traffic from other people. Gary thinks he is the "Spokesman" of the adult webmaster community. He is joke.

http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2004...041204_9.shtml

Good reading ROFLMAO
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He claimed his research staff told him that, when Cohen still had Sex.com - before Kremen won the domain back in an arduous lawsuit - "it was making in the upper hundreds of millions of dollars annually and today under the current management (of Mr. Kremen) it is almost worthless with very few hits and almost no advertisers. That says a lot about Mr. Cohen's skills and that is worth a lot to our company

Again you are arguing something completely idiotic.
Its 2004 now. Not 2000, not even 1998.
Climate is different now. VERY different.

On another note when someone goes public and starts mainstreaming all that they say is placed on the microscope and of course there will be shit to say from those not preaching. One day or maybe soon you will step up a notch and attempt to grasp a wider audience that buys into your business model as well.
Sitting in a dark place not making public statements, not getting into public relations only fuels your angst. You wanna be front page of things it takes nuts and until your in the postion you will not have a grasp of what its about.
Step up if you think you can do better its really that simple.

The industry can always use better faces and front men that talks to an industry. Look at Balmer. Look at Torvald. Both bicker and battle and preach there philosophy to millions. So go up a notch if you want that, and if you don't just do your thing man and make money.

Idiotic? Excuse me? Why don't you do a search and look at all the idiotic, childish, and LIBELOUS cheap shot remarks Gary Kremen has taken at me. I have stepped up a notch, he needs to do the same and stop trying to make himself look better by attacking every traffic broker there is.

File a suit....

Thats news worthy:1orglaugh
But dont get mad when he stops promoting you.

Damn this is a hot thread.

NOT REALLY !!!! If it was it would be 3 pages long by now:winkwink:

Seems like Mr. Choker should leave the big boys alone. Anyone who beat the evil Verisign in court is no one to be fucked with. Does he own in the old guys $3 million house?

It's all about sig views, nothing more nothing less
:glugglug

LOL, Gary is the one that needs to leave me alone. I am not hurting for business. If I were I would have a dozen sales reps and spam all the adult BBS boards, and talk bad about other brokers, and issue a press release every time I farted or took a shit.

I have noticed this LIBEL many a time

im glad you do also

This could get fun :glugglug

Preach on brotha!

Kremen seems to have it in for Choker. Pretty stupid, they dont even compete in the same market.

I don't see Overture or the AdWords guys knocking TGP traffic brokers.

This is very interesting thread...

Indeed.

people in glass houses

anyone else read the AVN article about how the guy that grabbed sex.com made hundreds of million dollars a year?

Here's a quote and the url:

"Kabir also said that he had not seen in the press, "to my surprise," a purported deposition from Sex.com owner Gary Kremen in which he stated he had no interest in Sex.com. He claimed his research staff told him that, when Cohen still had Sex.com - before Kremen won the domain back in an arduous lawsuit - "it was making in the upper hundreds of millions of dollars annually and today under the current management (of Mr. Kremen) it is almost worthless with very few hits and almost no advertisers. That says a lot about Mr. Cohen's skills and that is worth a lot to our company."


http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2004...041204_9.shtml

That to me speaks volumes about the thought processes that go through his head.

oops, looks like a good time for Gary to cut and paste, edit a couple words like sex.com to chokers, and he has his own ammo

I think this is the first post of yours that did not make me think you were with the Montana Militia :thumbsup

fucking amazing . . . . you just always have the right thing to say

I don't think that there's anything much to do.

I'm fucking amazed that a sex.com bot hasn't come by to spam their traffic due to the mention of sex.com

i read that article, guess i am not the only one who thinks he was talking out of his ass

LOL, this is the first thread i see today and I am replyign to it without seeing all other repolies...

But I this obvious to me that he is not referrign to you, so why do you create this drama?
He is obviously referring to traffic brokers and not gallery spots selling companies.
And it is true what he is saying - many of the traffic broker companies are selling crap traffic and a few of them had been exposed on this board just in recent month.... :eek7

check out www.sex.com for targeted geoIP specific traffic...
hit me up...be happy to help you....

cheers!


















:thumbsup

hehehe... choker you really made your homework ;)
I like it when assholes get busted with facts... way to go.

And so we all wait.