piker:

Oh hell.. I can't be bothered telling people what is even in the news media daily within the US and is being dicussed there and also globally. Where are you from?? :-) Mars?

On the economy.. yes, the stats show an improvement. That comes nowhere near "good", but is a start.

The overvalued dollar is ... probably right. The problem with that is it is likely to decline further and there are more "balancing" effects which are not good for the US. (Simple example - think gas.)

The main comment was that the current Admin have failed the US economy. Some aspects they have little control over - however by far, they have failed to implement *any* fiscal policy and it's only thank hell for the elected houses that they are questioning this now.

On deaths... that is one silly statement. What is on your TV set every day?? We are still waiting for "evidence" and "justification" for this war and what connection does it have to those who attacked the Twin Towers on 9/11?? Until *any* evidence appears, the world is aware this is an illegal war. You can bet if there was any evidence, the current Admin would the spreading the news in an effort to justify their actions.

Many more innocent people have been killed that ever were on 9/11. Many thousands more have been wounded and still thousands more will suffer severe mental and physical disabilities resulting from the effects of these "surgical strikes" and depleted uranium. This includes US solders who, it seems now, are suffering from the effects of depleted uranium from the Gulf War - the figures are bad news.

The decision to go to war was taken by a very inexperienced politican, backed by a group of advisors who would not be in any positions of power in any other western nation. I can't think of any "leader" in the western world who had this lack of experience when taking office.

Do you think that the current US Admin policy on the International Criminal Court was really "to protect US soldiers on a battefield"??? If so, gimme a break! :-) The International court judges have more sense than the Admin seem to suggest. It's more to do with "covering our own asses" again.

If you are that interested do a board search because this is a subject that has been gone over ad infinitum. I am not going to do it for you.

He dreams about God telling him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, he says that the all mighty have some kind of a plan for him, he cites quotes from the bible in his speeches, he reads the bible everyday, he's a born-again christian and so on. And he have lots of support from those religious groups.

A board search? I'm not interested in previous posts you've made about the US not giving Iraq weapons.

How the hell would that be more accurate than a Washington Post reporter?

I want news links.... articles, I want to hear from people whom you consider to be 100% truthful on the issue.

The decision to go to war was made with the overwhelming support of the duly elected members of Congress and with the overwelming support of the American people. The President does not act in a vacuum...and under the US system he cannot.

Al Gore never told a lie.

With "undeniable" evidence that he felt he shouldn't show anyone.... with an entire nation in fear from a recent terror attack....

things can happen for all the wrong reasons if the person spins it right.

I repeat do a board search if you are interested...people have posted link after link...after link...etc. This subject has been gone over ad infinitum. If you are interested in being educated do your own search. I will not. The subject is old and I do not have any personal interest in educating your mis-informed ass.

Well, if you remember this economy didn't start with this admin. It's a continued effect from the Clinton years. What kind of fiscal policy do you want from them. What I saw from them is they feel it's better to give the money back to the people to let them spend it (Tax Breaks) Which seems to be working. It is unfortunate these effects are instantaneous.

Yea, I watch TV, but you said the adminstration caused these deaths. Illegal war... blah blah blah, no what is illegal is disregarding the U.N. Sanctions. there are around 20 sanctions from the U.N. on Iraq which they haven't complied with. This is stems over a decade and the current adminstration has finally said enough is enough something needs to be done and they did it. Which, considering the desires and abilities of Saddam is a good thing. The man had WMD and the potential to produce more. Not only this but he wanted to kill Americans.

Yes war is tough people die. That is why we wanted Saddam to comply with the 17 or so U.N Sanctions. It is unfortunate he wouldn't. The president wasn't the only person to decide to go to war. Congress voted to support the president. And 55% of the population supported the president and the war.

To Be Honest I dont know much about the current US policy on the International Criminal Court. so I wont speak like i do.

I have not heard any of that. Since you seem to be up on the subject what faith is he...what church is he a member of?

hahahahaha.. Cheney did... denied it on Meet The Press and GOT OWNED Live!!

I think you can find the link on moveon.org

MaskedMan:

Is black white today??? :-)

Any person who claims that "the US not giving Iraq weapons" is clearly insane or in some dream world.

The US not only gave Iraq .. in particular Hussein, weapons, but also recognized this man to be a thug many years past. They then proceeded to engage him as an assasin (seems "terrorists" were OK then when it suited!) and put him up for eight months in a hotel in London while they jointly developed the "conspiracy" to kill an elected government member in Iran. Saddam succeeded and was then provided with arms/chem weapons by the US to engage in a war with Iran.

This is not contested by the US government, but I'm sure the version that would come out of the current Admin would say something like "We never did that! It's not true!" :-)

The problem then with Iran was it gave other elements an opportunity to grab power and this remains the status quo today - not exactly what was intended by the US. Another fuck up....

Virtually everything you just posted is BS. You are actually Massivecock aren't you.

One thing I am convinced of after reading all these posts. Is that liberals like to twist words to their favor. But, they never seem to have an answer on how to improve anything. Avoidance is their best policy. Don't know what to do? Ignore it, hopefully it will go away.

One thing for fun conspiracy therories are fun when read in a Tom Clancy novel. But when liberals start applying those works of fiction to real life things get scary real quick.

Since we're posting common knowledge, with links to articles and you're posting nothing but your uninformed opinion... I'm just gonna go ahead and laugh at you from now on and not really read anything you have to say.

Oh, and Piker... when did I say I was a liberal? Just because I think Bush is a complete moron, doesn't mean that I'm immediately a member of the opposition party.

You have a lot to learn about politics. :1orglaugh

Bush famous quote:
You're with us or against us

I think it was in an interview, I don't really remember but what he said was that he read the bible for 15 min in the morning before making breakfast.

He talked about the all mighty's plan yesterday.

And "God told me to strike at al-Qaida and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East."

I have gone over the same bullshit with fucking uninformed misfits like you over and over and I do not intend to do it anymore...you can do the search or not...I do not give a fuck. You are dismissed.

No one said i was talking about you. But by the way you argue with no real points just exaggerations, lies, and miss-truths i can tell you are liberal. Otherwise you'd provide rational thought and answers not slander.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

theKing:

theKing... simply look at the history of Iraq and Iran over the last 20+ years. This is not in dispute and every word posted is accurate. Tho.. I would have expected a one liner in an attempt to dismiss it!

There is NOTHING in my post in dispute, either by the US, UK or any international organization or anyone else - apart from you...
It's called "history"...

Tell me who did murder the finance minister in Iran and who did provide arms/chem to Hussein to conduct his war?? Was it Russia or a young bin Laden?? Up to that point he had nothing and just been elected to power..

PS.. But hell.. if you wish to dispute any of this.. ya got a long way to go! :-) I can list.. probably 20 + other instances in other regions which are also not in dispute, but I'm sure you will manage to dispute them too :winkwink:

I could say the same about you... you don't like what I say, I don't like what you say.

But I guess because you post out of your ass, that you must be the one of us that is the right one.

Yeah, I concede to your over whelmingly accurate posts and totally convincing stories.... ahem, I mean... no, I can't deny it... they are pretty much drivle.

But hey, if it makes you happy to think that you're right and my links to articles and news and posts about historic facts are nothing but lies and "twisted words".... then hey, you keep right on thinking that buddy :winkwink:

Look you said the president lied about Iraq having WMD's.. when the whole world conceded that Saddam had them at one point and hadn't explained where they went. What can you prove?

MaskedMan:

There sure is a "state of denial" in some - it must be from watching too much TV :-)

The other noticeable thing is, for some reason, it is "unacceptable" to discuss the truth that may not be savory.

I come from a country which was active in stuff like slavery years back (hell.. much the same as the US)... I have no problems stating this was a mistake and don't rush out and stuff up a flagpole in an attempt to "defend" my country.

It is also not a matter of "my country right or wrong" - I'll be top of the queue to blast the hell out of it when things are wrong. I think some call that a democracy. :winkwink:

It's sad to see people who clearly don't have an open mind to discuss anything with sense...

"Patriotism" is clearly a cancerous problem :-)

what's the point in repeating this entire thread over again.

Go read it again. Infact, read it a few times... not to learn, just to keep you busy for a while.

Yeah, patriotism seems to go too far sometimes. The ability to question what's right and wrong has become the ability to have unwavering loyalty to the leader of your particular political belief whether right or wrong.

I guess this is why I get called anti-american sometimes from some of them.

There is nothing wrong with questioning right or wrong. I do it every day. However, I tend to side with the president on whats right and whats wrong. Maybe its because i look at facts instead of lies people spread that ive heard spread in this thread.

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I won't post everything, bacause " it is probably a lie"
(That's why you never have a link to your marinated claims)

MaskedMan:

There is nothing wrong claiming "your" country is this and that - tho ain't exactly what sane people do with their lives.

All countries.. least most by far.. have fucked up at some stages - some far more than others.

I can't say I "support" my government - some things are good, others I can't agree with. It's not that this is even "political" since both major parties are a "mush". But at least they have "qualified" people in power and conduct government business, in the main, to serve those who elected them. They also don't lie too much :-)

There is a serious communication problem over the US - this is "known" globally. So, tis little surprise you end up being a "US hater" - that's the usual banal statement that is given as an "answer" :-) If you are like me - tis far from any truth.

I can't help but think some consider their lives are some "war" between "us" and "them" - it's called insecurity :winkwink:

I have news for you...reading the bible does not a fundamentalist make. Do you...or anyone know what denomination the President belongs to...or which bible he reads from?

piker:

Fine! Just come up with some facts then and don't jump on the offensive when you think "you" are being attacked...

The facts I've mentioned are history .. got a problem with that??

No, you are making it "us" and "them". You are the one proclaiming your view on our effort to protect ourselves with a war in Iraq. Look, if you see Iceland as a threat and had 17 U.N. Sanctions against Iceland to do something they refuse to do and use force to force them. Then good for you it is none of my concern. I wouldn't feel the need to base my beliefs off half the knowledge then take my belief public and proclaim your government is lyeing to the world. So why do you think it is ok to do that us? And then act pompeous like it us thats causing the rift not you.

You haven't said anything factual. You took a one sided view of the history of that story and posted it. I bet i can come up with a pretty convincing Nazi View too and call it factual. Other then that you just spread biases.

However, my views are based on U.N. Sanctions.

Bahahaa.... protect yourselves with a war on Iraq. :1orglaugh

There you go again, you really are a funny little man. Wait, you are over 18 right?

Why do you keep avoiding this? Why do you think the war is anything but protecting our interest. And please keep this to proven theories.

Nah, I'm done with you... I could post hand written documents straight from Bush himself and you'd still go on with the same dumb ass posts you've been doing in this thread.

I can only tolerate idiots for so long, it's amusing at first, but then it gets boring.

I just hope i dont win your monkey ass a xbox.

But it's funny how you are done with it when you are asked to prove your beliefs. Its ok to spit out slander but when you have to prove its time to pretend you are so much wiser. Ohh and crack out insults..

piker:

OKhahahaha there is one serious problem in communication here someplace :-) This is a problem that does not just involve mehaha It actually involves the vast numbers of the people on this planet in relation to what the US considers it's "rights" to action against perceived ememies and it's blatant disregard for international laws (which were signed by the US), and loads of other stuffhaha

This is not a good scenario for the UShaha I ain't into the "hating" shit - I have no reason to hate anyonehaha I do however, despise the US Admin (I have never given one thought to any other Admin!)haha I have little doubt the US hahahahahaha I knew this 10 days after Bush's election - the US has now been hijackedhaha It does not relate to any "wars" or "terrorism"haha Simply looking at the track record and conduct of the Admin - it is clear to seehaha

We earlier had a "president" who actually asked Congress to give him blank checkshaha At this point the "president" was not even "speaking" to Congress - they wanted to control the country from the Whitehouse and have a free handhaha This has got to be one of the most secretive administrations in US history where the government of the day remains non-transparent and unaccountable to those who elected themhaha (They even had to be proded to get *any* enquiry going into 9/11!)

In facthahahaha hellhahahaha that is not a democracy in anything but "words"haha It is a dangerous government who trot out "words" as propaganda to sway the masses then proceeed to act on these "words"haha This is not the US I knew not a long time pasthaha

A crook is a crook in any language, no matter how silver-tongued the defense attorney is in courthaha This Admin oozes of "crooks" with agenda's that bear little good for the people they were elected to servehaha

This may be the problem in "communication" - others look in and see this and consider it is better to say out of any scenario until some "normality" is restoredhaha You can't deal with a person who habitally talks bullshit in his "promises" then reverses them the following dayhaha

I'd hate to think of the legacy this Admin will leave on the US - I doubt the worst has been seen yethaha

It is easy for you to spit out miss-information right? Do some more research. Provide some facts when you speak in propaganada. You seem to think you have it all figured out. But fortunatly things are different then the way you see them. I guess it easy to hate Bush, when you can conjure your own fears into his character as if they are real.

Piker:

DUH??

Na.. pointless...

There would be "some" point if you actually said what "miss-information". As for propaganda... it is clear you are fed plently and have no other thought to offer...

Sad... I can't be bothered with .. basic stupidity... This is what makes *anyone* start to wonder...

Peace out!!