LivePorn.com - 4Sale?

[chri$tian]

Thinking about selling this if the price is right. Makes about 3k a month pointing to Nasty Dollars. Has great search engine listings and get a bunch of type in traffic.

Email me any SERIOUS offers or if you have any questions: [email protected]

Or Post them here.

Thanks,

[Darren]

my email doesnt work, ICQ 46335817

[chri$tian]

bump

[ztik]

How long has traffic been going to it? Is the traffic stable?

[$tandaman]

whats the right price?

[MikeB]

The last time I tried to buy a domain from him in 97 I got taken for $1000. Good luck with the sale friend. Buyer beware :-)

[EZRhino]

Cool domain hope you get it sold

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by MikeB_CE
The last time I tried to buy a domain from him in 97 I got taken for $1000. Good luck with the sale friend. Buyer beware :-)

IF you got taken, it was not from me, I worked with 10 different companies back then. We spoke about this a few months ago and I don't even remember ANY of the details, but we asked how to make it right anyway, within reason.

Posting here and not trying to contact me first was not a good way to help your situation.

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by ztik
How long has traffic been going to it? Is the traffic stable?

Pertty consistant with Nasty Dollars for about 3 months now.

[Muff]

How much type in traffic does it get?

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by Muff
Where does the traffic come from?

From Augest 2003:

Average Number of Visits per Day on Weekdays 2,860
Average Number of Hits per Day on Weekdays 41,555
Average Number of Visits per Weekend 5,075
Average Number of Hits per Weekend 73,854
Most Active Day of the Week Fri
Least Active Day of the Week Sun
Least Active Date August 18, 2003
Number of Hits on Least Active Date 5,517
Most Active Hour of the Day 14:00-14:59
Least Active Hour of the Day 03:00-03:59


Top Referring Sites

Site Visits
1 No Referrer 177,627
2 http://www.liveporn.com 54,038
3 http://www.porno-palace.com 20,666
4 http://www.sexindexed.com 13,013
5 http:// www.pornstardollars.com 7,785
6 http://www.xxxvogue.net 7,164
7 http://search.yahoo.com 5,512
8 http:// www.pornstars-ariagiovanni.com 5,051
9 http://www.pinkpussy.com 4,852
10 http://www.pornstarsites.com 4,678
11 http:// www.devon-pornstars.com 2,651
12 http://www.pornstarstop.com 2,631
13 http://www.google.com 2,609

[MikeB]

Originally posted by AtlasChris

IF you got taken, it was not from me, I worked with 10 different companies back then. We spoke about this a few months ago and I don't even remember ANY of the details, but we asked how to make it right anyway, within reason.

Posting here and not trying to contact me first was not a good way to help your situation.

LOL!
The Check that was sent to you was made to Christian A'mico....
and for over a year you guys have been saying you'd make it right. You've had years to make ammends, and it is clear you don't intend too. I just hope someone else out there doesn't fall victim to the same scam that I did.

[MikeB]

Originally posted by AtlasChris


From Augest 2003:

Average Number of Visits per Day on Weekdays 2,860
Average Number of Hits per Day on Weekdays 41,555
Average Number of Visits per Weekend 5,075
Average Number of Hits per Weekend 73,854
Most Active Day of the Week Fri
Least Active Day of the Week Sun
Least Active Date August 18, 2003
Number of Hits on Least Active Date 5,517
Most Active Hour of the Day 14:00-14:59
Least Active Hour of the Day 03:00-03:59


Top Referring Sites

Site Visits
1 No Referrer 177,627
2 http://www.liveporn.com 54,038
3 http://www.porno-palace.com 20,666
4 http://www.sexindexed.com 13,013
5 http:// www.pornstardollars.com 7,785
6 http://www.xxxvogue.net 7,164
7 http://search.yahoo.com 5,512
8 http:// www.pornstars-ariagiovanni.com 5,051
9 http://www.pinkpussy.com 4,852
10 http://www.pornstarsites.com 4,678
11 http:// www.devon-pornstars.com 2,651
12 http://www.pornstarstop.com 2,631
13 http://www.google.com 2,609

Wow - this is like dejavu. He sent me logs like this claiming lots of traffic...and then after he got half of the $2000, he pointed the domain to my IP, and the traffic died. He had $1000, still had the domain, and told me if I didn't send the other $1000 I was shit out of luck. Nice Guy!

[MikeB]

Let's stroll down memory lane, since you don't make a habit of remembering who you rip off.

Reply-To: <[email protected]>
From: "Mike" <[email protected]>
To: "fantasyman" <[email protected]>
Subject: Need Advice
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 1997 18:07:58 -0800
X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161



Fantasyman,

Hi there. I was wondering if you could give me some advice. I recently made an attempt to purchase the domain "web-sex.com" from Christian Amico. The price was $2K, or which I paid $1K down. After he received the initial $1K he redirected the DNS to on of my IP's. Within a month I was to give him the remaining $1K balance at which time he would switch all internic info/ownership of web-sex.com to me.
I purchased this site because he said it was getting 3500 to 4000 hits per day. Foolishly I took his word and his WSS counter's stats as the truth. The highest traffic day I ever received was about 800 hits. And this was only because Servint had one of their routers pointing traffic to my IP by accident. I contacted Servint, and in 2 days after I notified them, the traffic dropped even further.
I told Christian that I wanted my money back, and for a while I got no response. I tried to be VERY nice about the whole thing but that didn't work. So, after I began to git a bit more pissy he finally responded, and said he got screwed on the traffic when he initially purchased this domain. He said once he could sell the domain to another party he would refund my money.
From there things got worse. At our last contact a couple of days ago he said that he talked to his lawye, and that technically he didn't have to give me any money back. Christian also told me not to piss him off, to quit my bitching, and to find a buyer for the domain so that I could recoup my loses.
For the past couple of days the domain has been getting on 35 hits each day. In hopes of resolving this mess I told him that he could sell me web-sex.com and hotass.net and give me back $200 and I would consider the matter settled. He has not responded to that offer.

If you could offer me any advice or direction I would greatly appreciate it. Based on our "agreement" (see below) perhaps I have no recourse. If I don't get my money back the only thing I think I can do is trash him on all the boards in hopes that someone else won't make the mistake of dong business with him like I have. I want to trash him now, but part of me feels I should use caution and be little more patient. I have attached some of his emails below (his last response along with the "agreement"). Again, I sincerely appreciate your time and any advice you may have.

Thanks,

Mike Bertrand


------------------------------------Agreement--------------------------------------

Mike:

Here is the agreement we talked about.

Web URL Sales Agreement
RE: WEB-SEX.COM

I Christian Amico agree to point the DNS entry of the URL for sale
WEB-SEX.COM to an IP of your choice immediately after a first initial
payment of $1,000 is received. When the second and final payment of
$1,000 is received totaling $2,000 I will change the Internic
registration information into your name.

If the second payment is not received with in 30 days of first
payment you the buyer forfeit the ownership of said web address and the
DNS entry get pointed back to an IP of my choice.

Christian Amico



--------------------------His last response--------------------------------------------------

Mike wrote:
>
> You didn't help me out shit! Please explain to me how accepting half
> of the money for a site that had no traffic helped me out. It helped
> you out - you have a $1000 to play with and I got nowhere near what
> the traffic was supposed to be. If you want to be an ass for screwing
> with my $1000 fine, but I won't keep it to myself. The facts: You
> lied, you took my money, and now you still haven't paid me back. You
> helped me out? Look at the stats at
> http://www.web-sex.com/output/_index_html.html wow I got 35 hits
> yesterday and the same the day before. As soon as you right the
> situation and refund my money, I'll shut up. Until then, I am getting
> fucked.
>
> ----------
> From: Christian <[email protected]>
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Action Required
> Date: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 2:18 AM
>
> Mike wrote:
> >
> > Christian,
> >
> > Since you are not answering my email I can only assume that you have
> > no intention of refunding the $1000 as you said you would. I need to
> > have the refund now, and I don't think I should have to wait for you
> > to resell the domain. If I continue to get no response and/or no
> > refund I will not rest on this matter. You said you would be back on
> > Tuesday, it is now LATE Thursday and I have ot heard from you at
> all.
> >
> > Mike
>
> Well i guess you got to do what you got to do...I don't the extra
> money
> right now. If you can't wait till I sell it.. O well. I helped you out
> taking half payment and let you use the domain till you had the rest
> of
> the money.....
>
> I'm not in this business for 4 years to dick people off, ok. So sue me
> if you have to or just wait and shut up.
>
> Christian


Well I'm truley sorry about the hits, I got fucked too. I was going to
make 4-5k and I haven't made shit.

I have sent all past emails and my agreement to my laywer and he says I
don't have to even pay you if I don't want to, But I said I would IF AND
WHEN I sell the domain. So keep emailing me....Whatever makes you happy,
but know this...DON'T PISS ME OFF, because you don't have a leg to stand
on.

P.S. Do somthing constructive instead of bitching and see if you can
sell it for me and recoop your loss.

C

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by MikeB_CE


LOL!
The Check that was sent to you was made to Christian A'mico....
and for over a year you guys have been saying you'd make it right. You've had years to make ammends, and it is clear you don't intend too. I just hope someone else out there doesn't fall victim to the same scam that I did.

For Over a year? Come on.. We were in your office like 3 months ago with Dave. And till this day I STILL don't remember this deal, I'm not going to just hand over $1000 for something I don't remember. For all I know you just were not happy with the domain and wanted your money back. I must have bought and sold 100's of names in the past and never had any problems.

I have been in this business since 1995 and know one has ever said I have screwed them on ANYTHING... But like I said you could have just emailed me and gave me more specifics and we could have come to some agreement.

[Monk]

Originally posted by AtlasChris
[B]

From Augest 2003:

Average Number of Visits per Weekend 5,075
Average Number of Hits per Weekend 73,854

Why are your hits and visits so drastically different? Looks like you are just redirecting to Cum Fiesta, so they should be the same?

Also, the most important # is the # of type-ins and not # of hits... as hits can be manipulated upward and then disappear once the sale is done.

So........... how many type-ins per day?????

[MikeB]

Originally posted by AtlasChris


For Over a year? Come on.. We were in your office like 3 months ago with Dave. And till this day I STILL don't remember this deal, I'm not going to just hand over $1000 for something I don't remember. For all I know you just were not happy with the domain and wanted your money back. I must have bought and sold 100's of names in the past and never had any problems.

I have been in this business since 1995 and know one has ever said I have screwed them on ANYTHING... But like I said you could have just emailed me and gave me more specifics and we could have come to some agreement.

Fuck you Chris,

I'd rather continue telling everyone what a lying scumbag rip-off artist you are than take your money and watch you do this to someone else.

The only reason you were in my office was because of Dave, pure and simple. You lied back in 97 and now you lie now trying to cover your ass - more like playing dumb. You and Don sat there saying "Oh man, we are going to send you a check out right away" - lmao!

No need to come to an agreement. You're a thief and everyone I ever come into contact knows this. Go fuck yourself

[PimpMeNot]

liveporn.com
PR4
Alexa 200,000+

That's a site getting about 200 uniques per day
At this point worth about $10

Now, since it is a good sounding name, value at this point would go to $100, not a penny more.

Just my

[MikeB]

Originally posted by Monk


Why are your hits and visits so drastically different? Looks like you are just redirecting to Cum Fiesta, so they should be the same?

Also, the most important # is the # of type-ins and not # of hits... as hits can be manipulated upward and then disappear once the sale is done.

So........... how many type-ins per day?????

Monk - don't trust this guy - unless you believe in charity.

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by Monk


Why are your hits and visits so drastically different? Looks like you are just redirecting to Cum Fiesta, so they should be the same?

Also, the most important # is the # of type-ins and not # of hits... as hits can be manipulated upward and then disappear once the sale is done.

So........... how many type-ins per day?????

You are seeing what I see from my logs, there is no area for type ins and the site used to have a tour that pointed, now it just opens cumfiesta in a frame. Those are the last stats I have from August.

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by MikeB_CE



Fuck you Chris,

I'd rather continue telling everyone what a lying scumbag rip-off artist you are than take your money and watch you do this to someone else.

The only reason you were in my office was because of Dave, pure and simple. You lied back in 97 and now you lie now trying to cover your ass - more like playing dumb. You and Don sat there saying "Oh man, we are going to send you a check out right away" - lmao!

No need to come to an agreement. You're a thief and everyone I ever come into contact knows this. Go fuck yourself

Cool Thanks.... Your a class act.

[caspuh]

good thing i just bought popcorn last night.

[Monk]

Originally posted by MikeB_CE


Monk - don't trust this guy - unless you believe in charity.

Oh, I have no intention about buying it... just want the stats to be clear to everyone.

[Oracle Porn]

I can send you $1500 cash (fedex overnight)
email me

[email protected]

[FabianC]

Lets pour some cold water on this thread ..

I've known MikeB for years and he's the type of guy who'll tell you like it is .. no lies, no bullshit. If he says someone sent an email that said "Do something constructive instead of bitching and see if you can sell it for me and recoop your loss" .. I can only believe that is the absolute truth. Seeing something like this makes me have total disgust toward a "1997" Christian. However, I know the "2003" Christian and he is a stand up guy & he'll pocket Mike with $1k by today. $1k isn't a lot of money for someone as successful as Christian but it'll do right with the principle of ripping off Mike years ago.

Christian, I'm glad we can finally put this matter to rest.

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by MikeB_CE



Fuck you Chris,

I'd rather continue telling everyone what a lying scumbag rip-off artist you are than take your money and watch you do this to someone else.

The only reason you were in my office was because of Dave, pure and simple. You lied back in 97 and now you lie now trying to cover your ass - more like playing dumb. You and Don sat there saying "Oh man, we are going to send you a check out right away" - lmao!

No need to come to an agreement. You're a thief and everyone I ever come into contact knows this. Go fuck yourself

Don was going to pay you the day after we left your office, but I told him not to, this deal had nothing to do with him or Atlas Multimedia.

I guess it's best we don't bump into each other HUH? Your really mad.

[Muff]

Originally posted by PimpMeNot
liveporn.com
PR4
Alexa 200,000+

That's a site getting about 200 uniques per day
At this point worth about $10

Now, since it is a good sounding name, value at this point would go to $100, not a penny more.

Just my

Actually it would be getting 1,500 plus a day. Not much more.

Doesn't seem like it would get any significant type in traffic though according to the number of searches done for the term "live porn" 3341 searches last month on google.com

[MikeB]

Originally posted by AtlasChris


Don was going to pay you the day after we left your office, but I told him not to, this deal had nothing to do with him or Atlas Multimedia.

I guess it's best we don't bump into each other HUH? Your really mad.

Not mad, it's over, been over for a long time. I just don't like seeing people who don't know any better than I did get taken. At least they've been warned :-)

You are a stand up guy, no reason to make someone else pay for your mistakes

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by FabianC
Lets pour some cold water on this thread ..

I've known MikeB for years and he's the type of guy who'll tell you like it is .. no lies, no bullshit. If he says someone sent an email that said "Do something constructive instead of bitching and see if you can sell it for me and recoop your loss" .. I can only believe that is the absolute truth. Seeing something like this makes me have total disgust toward a "1997" Christian. However, I know the "2003" Christian and he is a stand up guy & he'll pocket Mike with $1k by today. $1k isn't a lot of money for someone as successful as Christian but it'll do right with the principle of ripping off Mike years ago.

Christian, I'm glad we can finally put this matter to rest.

Thanks for the kind words Fabian... And you are right, I was going to make good on this EVEN THOUGH it was so long ago I did'nt remember all the details. To be honest I totally forgot about it a few days after I saw Mike in his office.

Look, we all have had deals go bad and it sucks, but this is no way to get anything resolved. Saying, "Fuck You Christian" is only going to make things worse and possible get somones ass kicked.

I work hard to make good money and If Mike would have send me thise email that had all the deatails in it, we could have worked somthing out.

[FabianC]

Originally posted by AtlasChris


Thanks for the kind words Fabian... And you are right, I was going to make good on this EVEN THOUGH it was so long ago I did'nt remember all the details. To be honest I totally forgot about it a few days after I saw Mike in his office.

Look, we all have had deals go bad and it sucks, but this is no way to get anything resolved. Saying, "Fuck You Christian" is only going to make things worse and possible get somones ass kicked.

I work hard to make good money and If Mike would have send me thise email that had all the deatails in it, we could have worked somthing out.

I agree that things shouldn't have to be resolved on the boards .. but unfortuntely (or fortuntely since this BS will FINALLY be resolved) it did .. regardless though .. at this point it's a matter of principle .. and like I said before .. Mike is amongst the most stand up guys in this industry .. so shit like this bugs the fuck outta him. For me, different story, in 1997, you wouldn't be breathing .. in 2003, I'll just tag you w/ a paintball gun @ close range @ 400 fps

That reminds me, when are we getting the whole gang together again? Lets go blastin'!!

[brand0n]

i offer 4 dolla!

[MikeB]

Originally posted by FabianC


I agree that things shouldn't have to be resolved on the boards .. but unfortuntely (or fortuntely since this BS will FINALLY be resolved) it did .. regardless though .. at this point it's a matter of principle .. and like I said before .. Mike is amongst the most stand up guys in this industry .. so shit like this bugs the fuck outta him. For me, different story, in 1997, you wouldn't be breathing .. in 2003, I'll just tag you w/ a paintball gun @ close range @ 400 fps

That reminds me, when are we getting the whole gang together again? Lets go blastin'!!

A wise man once told me that if that's the most I ever get ripped off for ($1000) to count myself lucky. That was the last time, God knows others have been burned for way more. However, it felt wonderful to air that. Now it's over.

Just got back from my massage...feel wonderful. Life is great.

[FabianC]

Originally posted by MikeB_CE


Just got back from my massage...feel wonderful. Life is great.

You're a male slut .. you didn't get massages before but now you go before me ...

[MikeB]

Originally posted by FabianC


You're a male slut .. you didn't get massages before but now you go before me ...

That's true, for almost half a year I passed them up; not true about being a male slut

Then I decided to live life on the edge and get a massage. After my first massage I was hooked!

[MikeB]

-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Amico [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Interesting

Mike:

Send me all the emails you have about this deal, I will look into it more.

Just so you know, KNOWONE talks like that to me, especially on a busy posting board, I was about to drive over there and do something stupid. There is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and you were out of line.

I will weigh your response to this email, and come up with something fair.



---end message---



Hey, I'm all for burying the hatchet but there's no hatchet to bury. I've had my say, you've had yours. It's over. You took my money and now you threaten me. I usually love irony but this is a dead horse now. Fabian said you changed - don't make a liar out of him.

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by MikeB_CE
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Amico [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 1:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Interesting

Mike:

Send me all the emails you have about this deal, I will look into it more.

Just so you know, KNOWONE talks like that to me, especially on a busy posting board, I was about to drive over there and do something stupid. There is a right way and a wrong way to handle things and you were out of line.

I will weigh your response to this email, and come up with something fair.



---end message---




Hey, I'm all for burying the hatchet but there's no hatchet to bury. I've had my say, you've had yours. It's over. You took my money and now you threaten me. I usually love irony but this is a dead horse now. Fabian said you changed - don't make a liar out of him.

Did you even read my email, I did'nt threaten you... I wanted to kick the shit out of you (still do), but realized thats not the best idea and I won't, but I will try to make everyone happy...

But obiously you just wanted to slam me and were not really concerend with me making anything right...

What a DICK.. I tryed to be the bigger person and look where that got me.

[MikeB]

Hey Chris,

I said it's in the past, I just don't like people making it sound like they are come over and thump on me. In case I get taken out in the parking lot and my hard drive crashes, I just needed an offsite copy :-)

Maybe we just need to shoot some paintballs at eachother :-) I promise not to aim for your head, if you'll do the same. Deal?

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by PimpMeNot


That's a site getting about 200 uniques per day
At this point worth about $10

If you know a place to buy domains with 200 type ins per day for $10 each, please post it.

[arg]

I typically use escrow.com for domain purchases. Things weren't as simple in '97, and I had deals go sour now and then, I think unintentionally, in years past. But I've never had a prob using escrow...they keep a domain transactions flowing along smoothly, and protect both buyer and seller, unless escrow.com themselves goes belly-up during the transaction. Just my

[Mutt]

scumbags who run bogus 'OFFICIAL' pornstar paysites. I wish some of these girls had the brains to sue their asses.

[chri$tian]

Originally posted by Mutt
scumbags who run bogus 'OFFICIAL' pornstar paysites. I wish some of these girls had the brains to sue their asses.

PornStarDollars has REAL Official PornStar Paysites..

Racquel Darrian
Tawny Roberts
Ginger Lynn
Stacy Valentine
Nici Sterling
Kobe Tai
Metro Video
Seymore Butts
Wendi Knight
Renee LaRue

All our clients and they get well paid for there sites.

[Trax]

Atlas drop me a line on icq: 59 - 101 - 924
im interested

Trax

[joshuawk]

ha mike CE whips out tha oldschool 1997 emails


i need to save my shit 6 years back!

i remember 1996 !!!

[joshuawk]

CHRISTIAN GOT OWNED

ill buy liveporn.com though if ur seriously sellin it

overture numbers arent that great though

[OzMan84]

whats the bidding upto on this .com ?