US mandatory draft (age 18-27) for June 2005

[Feynman]

Caveat lector: I did not personally confirm the veracity of the
allegations within the article.

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From: Sophie Lapaire <[email protected]
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/manda...g19mar04.shtml
March 19, 2004

I rarely send a mail to a large audience, but the possibility of
mandatory drafting for boys and girls (age 18-26) starting June
15 2005, is something, I
believe, everyone should know. This litteraly affects EVERYONE
since we all have or know children that will have to go if this
bill passes.

If there are children in your family, READ this.

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills:
S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the
draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004
presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to
get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on
the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately.
Details and links follow.

Even those voters who currently support us. Actions abroad may
still object to this move, knowing their own children or
grandchildren will not have a say about whether to fight. Not
that it should make a difference, but this plan, among other
things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes
women in the draft
--
Also, crossing into canada has already been made very difficult.

Actions, actions, actions:
P please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know,
and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents.... And
let your children know -- it's their future, and theycan be a
powerful voice for change!

Please also hahahahaha to your representatives to ask them why they
aren't telling their constituents about these bills -- and hahahahaha
to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not
covering this important story.

The draft

$28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system
(sss) budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as
early as June

15, 2005. Selective Service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005
that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for
activation. Please see website: www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html
to view the sss annual performance plan - fiscal year 2004.

The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all
10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots
nationwide.. Though this is an unpopular election year topic,
military experts and influential members of congress are
suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog"
in Iraq and Afghanistan [and a permanent state of war on
"terrorism"] proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to
draft.

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle5146.htm
www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html

Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and HR 163 forward this year,
http://www.hslda.org/legislation/nat...89/default.asp
entitled
the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "to provide for the
common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26]
in the United States,
including women, perform a period of military service or a period
of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and
homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills
currently sit in the committee on armed services.

Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the
Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December
2001, Canada
and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be
used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's
minister of foreign
affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom
Ridge, the declaration involves a 30-point plan which implements,
among other
things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and
departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more
equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher
education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to
postpone service until the end of their current semester.
Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.

WHAT TO DO:

- Tell all your friends

- Call the Mercury News (Newsdesk) 408-920-5000

-E-mail the SF Chronicle at: [email protected]

- Contact your Senators and tell them to oppose these bills.
Barbara Boxer: 415-403-0100
Diane Feinstein: 415/393-0707
Anna Eshoo: 202/225-8104
Nancy Pelosi: [email protected]

For the full list of representatives (53) and websites, go to:

ttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/cgi-bin/newseek.cgi?site=ctc&state=ca


We just can't sit and pretend that by ignoring it, it will go
away. We must voice our concerns and create the world we want to
live in for
our children and their children's children.

Sophie Lapaire






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[doober]

(age 18-27)




BUSH

[CyberTraffic]

http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...+89+and+HR+163

Verified.

This is some scary shit.

Forced civil service is the same as slavery.

Does'nt matter what race or gender, we're all serving the rich.

[Eric]

It will never happen. Not only does it violate the basics of Freedom. It is also unconstitutional.

[AMADude]

Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
It will never happen. Not only does it violate the basics of Freedom. It is also unconstitutional.

I agree.

[The Truth Hurts]

make sure you do your part and vote out the 2 DEMOCRATS that came up with this.

[Infanz]

Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
It will never happen. Not only does it violate the basics of Freedom. It is also unconstitutional.

Welcome to the new world order, the next 9/11 type "attack" will cancell out our bill of rights and constitution, i guarantee it.

Also, mandatory draftimg would be amiserable failure. i'll go to prison first, i promise that!


-BR

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
It will never happen. Not only does it violate the basics of Freedom. It is also unconstitutional.

I suggest a new slogan for Diebold...


"Never Say Never" -DieBold

[wdsguy]

THere is very small suport for this bill in congress, it won't pass

[doober]

Originally posted by Infanz



Welcome to the new world order, the next 9/11 type "attack" will cancell out our bill of rights and constitution, i guarantee it.

Also, mandatory draftimg would be amiserable failure. i'll go to prison first, i promise that!


-BR

i tottaly agree, everything you thought you had isnt so anymore

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by Infanz

Also, mandatory draftimg would be amiserable failure. i'll go to prison first, i promise that!

you think so huh?

I have a cousin who was offered military over prison, since he "drove" during a crime. He was 19 when the judge offered him the deal.

He turned 21 in Iraq and is serving this war because he didnt want to do any jailtime.

thats America.

[HeatherF]

Why would they if this is what they said in Sunday's paper??


War hasn't slowed flow of recruits, services say
By Jack Dorsey
THE VIRGINIAN-PILOT

NORFOLK, Va. - Despite a rising tide of combat deaths and the prospect of deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan for years to come, Americans continue to volunteer for military duty and are re-enlisting at record rates.

The services believe a combination of patriotism and the economy is driving people to the military and keeping them there.

"The war is not only not having a negative effect, but it is helping to reinforce the number of people who want to join," said Cmdr. John Kirby, a spokesman for the Navy's Bureau of Personnel.

Even the Army National Guard, which has had 150,000 citizen soldiers mobilized for up to a year, has seen retention rates "going through the roof," said Guard spokesman Maj. Robert Howell.

"Mass exodus has not been the case in the Army National Guard," said Howell, deputy chief of the Strength Maintenance Division at the National Guard Bureau in Washington.

The Guard was prepared to lose up to 18 percent of units returning from lengthy deployments, but they have averaged just 16.6 percent, with some as low as 12.6 percent, Howell said.

The Guard fully expects to again reach its recruiting goal of 56,000 members this year, to maintain its total strength of 350,000.

The Guard's goal for first term re-enlistments, for those with less than six years of service, had been 65 percent this fiscal year, but the rate rocketed to 141 percent - which indicates that additional members re-enlisted early, usually to take advantage of bonuses.

The goal for second- and third-term enlistments, or those considered "career" soldiers, was set at 85 percent in the Guard, but re-enlistments are at 136 percent, Howell said.

The Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps and Coast Guard all met or exceeded their year-end recruiting goals for fiscal year 2003, which ended Sept. 30.

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


you think so huh?

I have a cousin who was offered military over prison, since he "drove" during a crime. He was 19 when the judge offered him the deal.

He turned 21 in Iraq and is serving this war because he didnt want to do any jailtime.

thats America.

i'd think Iraq beats getting pounded in the ass everyday...

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by wdsguy
THere is very small suport for this bill in congress, it won't pass

It might if we had a couple more terrorist attacks while the administration was simultaneously screaming we need more host bodies!

[Phoenix]

things are getting odd

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


i'd think Iraq beats getting pounded in the ass everyday...

you dont get pounded in the ass everyday in regular jail for non felony crimes.

[CyberTraffic]

Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
It will never happen. Not only does it violate the basics of Freedom. It is also unconstitutional.

Right, but don't they usually pass this kind of shit under bigger bills that do have support?

[DR_PHIL]

no way thats political suicide

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX

I have a cousin who was offered military over prison, since he "drove" during a crime.

You don't say what the crime was though... I mean if he was "unknowingly" giving a friend a ride to coduct a small drug transaction - that's one thing.

But if he was a getaway driver in a robbery, or a murder, or driving 20 kilos of coke around or something - that's another and has a little more involvement than just being a innocent "driver"

[Lucy]

[cosis]

Never will pass

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by goBigtime


You don't say what the crime was though... I mean if he was "unknowingly" giving a friend a ride to coduct a small drug transaction - that's one thing.

But if he was a getaway driver in a robbery, or a murder, or driving 20 kilos of coke around or something - that's another and has a little more involvement than just being a innocent "driver"

I did not say he was innocent.

as far as I know.

they stole someones dog to be honest. had something to do with a rottweiler breeder. drunk punks do stupid crap.

i will say this, the military straightened him out, he is a good kid now, although he is old enough to drink, i cant wait to buy him one for changing his life and hope he returns.

was a couple 18 year old idiots fucking around, stole a dog, and ended up being in the military.

stupid crime I know, regardless, the choice is he ended up in iraq.

the kid came from a mom who beat him and locked him in closets, very disturbed, ran with a bad crowd, got mixed up... blood is blood.

[goBigtime]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


was a couple 18 year old idiots fucking around, stole a dog, and ended up being in the military.

Yeah... that definitely wouldn't happen on the other other side of the tracks. Maybe a little community service after appologizing to the dog owner and returning his dog.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
It will never happen. Not only does it violate the basics of Freedom. It is also unconstitutional.

Thats exactly what a lot of people said about the Patriot Act, not to mention during Vietnam it was not declared unconstitutional.

[goBigtime]

The military does straighten out a lot of kids who probably would otherwise spend a lot of time in jail (or Walmart) though.

[kimzar]

the nation will get into an uproar if a draft comes in present day,
it would make alot people pissed off

[cluck]

Fuck em.

If I end up going to jail in 2 days I'll get out when I'm 23. With my luck I'll get drafted til I'm 27

[cluck]

Originally posted by goBigtime
The military does straighten out a lot of kids who probably would otherwise spend a lot of time in jail (or Walmart) though.

The ones that are willing to go yeah. I had a few fuckup friends who joined the marines because they wanted to and they turned out fine. I'd say they were all prepared for it though.

It could seriously fuck up someone who isn't mentally prepared for combat though. My friends wanted to go, but I couldn't imagine it'd have a good effect on me.

[just a punk]

It's really funny to hear this. In a same time as Russia going to move to professional army and reduce the mandatory drafting, the USA is going quite the contrary. The same thing happens with democracy and freedom of speech (lots of Russians who moved to the USA before 90's state the level of propaganda in USA is very similar to one they saw in Soviet Union). Is the world really changes (swapping the poles)?

[Manowar]

Glad to live in the UK, but im sure something like this is on the horizon for this country soon

[ColBigBalls]

theres always Canada

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by goBigtime
The military does straighten out a lot of kids who probably would otherwise spend a lot of time in jail (or Walmart) though.

check this.

the guy he ran with during this.

took the 6 months in jail or whatever it was, he was 19 or maybe 20, a little older than my cousin, but nonetheless, he chose jail and probtion/house arrest instead.

he ended up shooting someone during a robbery and is now serving 25 to life. meanwhile my cousin is serving the country, making some money and will get an education instead of jail, IF HE COMES BACK i guess

so i can agree with you on this point.

these kids were on the road to death or jail, period.

i just dont like seeing young kids railroaded into military ya know...

anyway.

cheers

[Rictor]

I turn 27 this year, 28 in 2005. Even if it passes, us old geezers are safe, suckas!

[ColBigBalls]

dont forget this isent about criminals serving in the military or going to jail. Who of you think your gov. should be able to FORCE you into the military.

And if they do who goes and who dosent. Will it be like thge vietnam, draft where the rich were able to doge it and the poor/middle class gets fucked.

Will you get so bitter you will spit at your soldiers as they get off there planes and call them babby killers after being forced into a war?

Is history begining to repeat its self?

If i were american i would be concerned that something like this bill even got started. I personally beleave it would be very hard for something like this to pass, but not imposable. Stranger things have happend

[benc]

Many westernized countries do have mandatory millitary service.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by benc
Many westernized countries do have mandatory millitary service.

France does, doesnt it?

[AlxCds]

Originally posted by ColBigBalls
theres always Canada

your fine, but americans can't go to canada to escape this if this passes, so we're screwed either way.

[eroswebmaster]

This is great...there goes 90% of gfy...off to war or civil service

[mockingbich]

PURE ELECTION YEAR BULLSHIT - this is old news that I am very familiar with. Before you all get your panties in a knot, understand this: H.R.163 is proposed by a black racist DEMOCRAT from New York named Charles Rangel. He says that there are too many blacks in the military and he wants more whites. S. 89?Universal National Service Act of 2003 is proposed by ultra-liberal DEMOCRAT Ernest Hollings of South Carolina. These 2 bills have no chance in hell of passing in a REPUBLICAN controlled congress. Even if Bush wanted a draft, he'd veto a democrat bill so they wouldn't get credit for it in an election year. In fact, Rumsfeld has stated categorically MANY TIMES that a draft is unnecessary because volunteer servicemen are better motivated and are career oriented. I come from 3 generations of professional military family and can testify to that! I'm not saying there won't be a future draft, I'm just saying these 2 bills aren't going to bring it.

[Kard63]

Originally posted by Eric_aka_RedEyes
It will never happen. Not only does it violate the basics of Freedom. It is also unconstitutional.

Everything this president does is unconstitutional. I'd move. Fuck it.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

damn

glad I'm 27

It makes me sad that politicians(like Bush) can expend American lives as they please... over a stupid war for oil and vengeance against Saddam


there should be some system where the whole country gets to vote on a war

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

this country is more like an oligarchy

[m00d]

I've read story after story about the same thing. It's true..draft board positions are being filled in my own state. I have first hand knowledge of this...

[The Truth Hurts]

take your blinders off for a second... this has nothing to do with Bush.

[garett]

Originally posted by kimzar
the nation will get into an uproar if a draft comes in present day,
it would make alot people pissed off

People went into an uproar over the war to begin with .. but the other half called them unpatriotic. Same thing will happen if they draft .. only they'll be unpatriotic and cowards.

[Mr. Mojo Risin]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
take your blinders off for a second... this has nothing to do with Bush.

The Iraq war does though and he's expending lives over a very bad and stupid war

if his daughters were involved, he wouldn't have gone to war, but since they are not, he doesn't care about killing other kids

[n3in]

i dont think that could ever pass

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by Mr. Mojo Risin


The Iraq war does though and he's expending lives over a very bad and stupid war

if his daughters were involved, he wouldn't have gone to war, but since they are not, he doesn't care about killing other kids

In other words, you couldn't stick this bullshit to Bush, so you change the subject, and went the route of pandering to the simpletons.

[Creative]

Whatever

Fight for your country if you have to

We might as well just keep going and take over the world

[ElvisManson]

this topic was posted a little while ago.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ht=mandat ory