Interesting New Billing Concept - GoFuckYourself.com

KRL · 04-13-2004, 02:20 PM

ChargeMeLater.com

But apparently the FTC doesn't like it.

They mention NoCreditCard.com and RJB Telecom in this article also.

http://www.forbes.com/execpicks/2004...318credit.html

dropped9 · 04-13-2004, 02:29 PM

Interesting read... Chargemelater actually sounds like a solution. If it gets past the wolves...

JOKER · 04-13-2004, 02:34 PM

Kind of innovative, I like that.

Let's see if they can stand the heat and stay in the market.

Would be an alternative to everything and worth a try.

Take care,
JOKER

MrIzzz · 04-13-2004, 02:36 PM

interesting

and the amazing part is that finally, something interesting has come form NJ

Chris · 04-13-2004, 02:36 PM

...Hmm kinda confussing but intersting non the less

fatbaby · 04-13-2004, 02:43 PM

KRL.. check out the billing solution in my sig... a similar concept that we've been developing for the past 9 months....

and we dont have any problems with the FTC ;-)

AaronM · 04-13-2004, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fatbaby
KRL.. check out the billing solution in my sig... a similar concept that we've been developing for the past 9 months....

and we dont have any problems with the FTC ;-)

I was just about to post a link there.

Fuck it...

www.123bill.com

Here's another option I am considering:

www.duocash.com

fatbaby · 04-13-2004, 02:47 PM

Thanks for the link ArronM ;-)

tony286 · 04-13-2004, 02:50 PM

I would say 50% would pay at best. Checks are the way to go, with better scrubbing and fraud controls. There is no reason why that cant happen when mainstream has that.

Nysus · 04-13-2004, 02:51 PM

I was about to post 123Bill.com which is owned and developed by Brad (SinEmpire). Very good guy.

Cheers,
Matt

123Jason · 04-13-2004, 02:56 PM

if anyone is interested in 123Bill hit me up in email or icq and I'll be happy to help you out with anything.

Shok · 04-13-2004, 03:02 PM

Is that like billmelater.com?

I have used them for a few years now on nonadult buys.

imageman · 04-13-2004, 03:02 PM

am i reading this correctly you pay out just 65% and keep 35% ?

sperbonzo · 04-13-2004, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

I was just about to post a link there.

Fuck it...

www.123bill.com

Here's another option I am considering:

www.duocash.com

Thanks Aaron! If anyone has any questions I'm pretty much ALWAYS available by phone, email or whatever. (I really don't have a life....)

You can also check out http://www.duocash.com/merchants.jsp

(BTW, I still owe you a breakfast dude....thanks!)

fatbaby · 04-13-2004, 03:08 PM

Shok.. similar concept, but we dont have any restrictions about Adult....

Quote:

am i reading this correctly you pay out just 65% and keep 35% ?

Yes, you read that right... WE assume all liability for collection, and GUARANTEE payment to the merchant. The Merchant gets paid, period ... no concerns about chargeback, collections, ect

polish_aristocrat · 04-13-2004, 03:14 PM

As many as 87% of U.S. consumers are still worried about using their credit cards to make Internet purchases, according to one recent survey.

Brad Mitchell · 04-13-2004, 05:18 PM

Hi Everyone

I'm happy to talk billing anytime, anyplace...

Yes 35% is the fee but you're comprehending it wrong, most likely. It's not 35% on collected, our fee is 35% on gross. That means that all uncollected amounts, the cost of collections, chargebacks, refunds... everything comes out of that 35%. So, from the point that you make a sale you know that you're going to receive a check with my signature on it.

Realize that we're not presenting ourselves as everyone's first choice as a primary billing method. What I am saying is that rather than send US traffic to a dialer or 900 solution, send them to 123Bill. Not only will you have the opportunity for recurring billing, but our financial model allows for trial pricing and ultimately will net the merchant more then ever possible with either other method.

More questions? I'm happy to answer them here in the forum, on the phone, over ICQ or through email. Whatever is easiest for you!

Cheers,

Brad

AaronM · 04-13-2004, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sperbonzo

Thanks Aaron! If anyone has any questions I'm pretty much ALWAYS available by phone, email or whatever. (I really don't have a life....)

You can also check out http://www.duocash.com/merchants.jsp

(BTW, I still owe you a breakfast dude....thanks!)

Shit...I completely forgot about that. Buy my sig space for the month of June and we can call it even.

Kimmykim · 04-13-2004, 05:53 PM

If I'm not mistaken, Alyon has already gone a few rounds with the FTC and ended up the winner.

The guy who wrote this article is just like Forbes own little Luke Ford, imo.

Steelhead · 04-14-2004, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
ChargeMeLater.com

But apparently the FTC doesn't like it.

They mention NoCreditCard.com and RJB Telecom in this article also.

http://www.forbes.com/execpicks/2004...318credit.html

You know if they mention Nocreditcard.com it has to be good

Nicky · 04-14-2004, 04:30 AM

It it works its good, everyway to get them to pay is good

steffie · 04-14-2004, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

I was just about to post a link there.

Fuck it...

www.123bill.com

Here's another option I am considering:

www.duocash.com

I actually took time and checked out DuoCash. They send me a contract for me to read etc etc blah blah,, at the 6th page on the buttom it said that after 6 month they charge $ 2500.00. So be careful. However I do agree this is not a bad system.

Jer · 04-14-2004, 04:35 AM

123Bill.com is a very nice concept.

slackologist · 04-14-2004, 04:38 AM

new billing methods that catch on in rapidly expanding markets will provide a big boom for some well placed companies i'm sure.

Shoehorn! · 04-14-2004, 04:40 AM

Wow, should be interesting to see how that all pans out.

Brad Mitchell · 04-14-2004, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSmutPeddlerDOTcom
Wow, should be interesting to see how that all pans out.

Indeed! And I met Michael from DuoCash at the Phoenix show too, btw, was a very nice guy. I embarassed myself when asked if I was familiar with his program I said I thought it was an affiliate program... see, that's what that RedBull and Vodka will do to ya!

Brad

justsexxx · 04-14-2004, 05:58 AM

Good and interesting read.

Andre

Brad Mitchell · 04-14-2004, 06:03 AM

If I can answer any more questions about the service, please let me know!!!

Brad

Mutt · 04-14-2004, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

I was just about to post a link there.

Fuck it...

www.123bill.com

Here's another option I am considering:

www.duocash.com

Duocash processes for underage sites. Consider their scruples, or lack thereof.

Jizar II · 04-14-2004, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire

More questions? I'm happy to answer them here in the forum, on the phone, over ICQ or through email. Whatever is easiest for you!

Cheers,

Brad

Hi, your product looks very interesting

I looked at your Sinbucks site portfolio, and couldn't see the 123bill as payment option on your own sites, why is that? Do you consider 123bill as a "last resort" payment option like a dialer?

wanderingbear · 04-14-2004, 08:51 AM

i cannot sit here and let people knock the dirty jersey. it is a wondering place to be born and raised. hey, i turned out ok

sperbonzo · 04-14-2004, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by steffie

I actually took time and checked out DuoCash. They send me a contract for me to read etc etc blah blah,, at the 6th page on the buttom it said that after 6 month they charge $ 2500.00. So be careful. However I do agree this is not a bad system.

Steffie, get back in touch with me.....we have decided to waive the set up fees right now, so the $2500 is no longer applicable. Send me an email or an ICQ or call.....You can simply cross off the set up fees, hahahahaha "waived" under it, and intitial next to it. You can then fax it to me at 1 208 441 2292

sperbonzo · 04-14-2004, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Shit...I completely forgot about that. Buy my sig space for the month of June and we can call it even.

NICE! LOL! Let me know what you need me to do

sperbonzo · 04-14-2004, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinEmpire

Indeed! And I met Michael from DuoCash at the Phoenix show too, btw, was a very nice guy. I embarassed myself when asked if I was familiar with his program I said I thought it was an affiliate program... see, that's what that RedBull and Vodka will do to ya!

Brad

Howdy Brad........ and yes, the vodka and redbulls were frickin' deadly! :-)

AaronM · 04-14-2004, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sperbonzo

NICE! LOL! Let me know what you need me to do

Read this thread and you will see what you have just gotten yourself into.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=268718

sperbonzo · 04-14-2004, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AaronM

Read this thread and you will see what you have just gotten yourself into.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=268718

I understand.....and will obey!

Brad Mitchell · 04-14-2004, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jizar II

Hi, your product looks very interesting I looked at your Sinbucks site portfolio, and couldn't see the 123bill as payment option on your own sites, why is that? Do you consider 123bill as a "last resort" payment option like a dialer?

Not at all... two reasons it's not on the SinBucks site. First is that it's basically new, we've been beta testing it. Second is that we're waiting to complete integration with MPA2, in the interim our programmer got everything figured out so that we're able to track and report for our affiliates internally so that at least we can start using it, reporting and paying on it

Cheers,

Brad

Brad Mitchell · 04-14-2004, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jizar II

Hi, your product looks very interesting I looked at your Sinbucks site portfolio, and couldn't see the 123bill as payment option on your own sites, why is that? Do you consider 123bill as a "last resort" payment option like a dialer?

Quote:

Originally posted by Jizar II

Hi, your product looks very interesting I looked at your Sinbucks site portfolio, and couldn't see the 123bill as payment option on your own sites, why is that? Do you consider 123bill as a "last resort" payment option like a dialer?

Not at all... two reasons it's not on the SinBucks site. First is that it's basically new, we've been beta testing it. Second is that we're waiting to complete integration with MPA2, in the interim our programmer got everything figured out so that we're able to track and report for our affiliates internally so that at least we can start using it, reporting and paying on it

Cheers,

Brad

sperbonzo · 04-14-2004, 11:52 AM

So Aaron.......when are you going to get back to me anyway.....still "digesting" the stuff I sent you? Like I said above, we are waiving the set up fee right now, so this is a no lose situation for you....

let me know.

04-13-2004, 02:20 PM	#1
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04-13-2004, 02:34 PM	#3
JOKER Facit Omnia Voluntas Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Offshore Posts: 2,105	Kind of innovative, I like that. Let's see if they can stand the heat and stay in the market. Would be an alternative to everything and worth a try. Take care, JOKER __________________ Facilitation - BizDev - Traffic - Consulting - Marketing Skype: jokerempire \| Silent Circle: joker

04-13-2004, 02:36 PM	#4
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	interesting and the amazing part is that finally, something interesting has come form NJ __________________ WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

04-13-2004, 02:36 PM	#5
Chris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: icq: 71462500 Skype: Jupzchris Posts: 27,880	...Hmm kinda confussing but intersting non the less __________________ [email protected]

04-13-2004, 02:43 PM	#6
fatbaby Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 486	KRL.. check out the billing solution in my sig... a similar concept that we've been developing for the past 9 months.... and we dont have any problems with the FTC ;-) __________________

04-13-2004, 02:29 PM	#2
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	Interesting read... Chargemelater actually sounds like a solution. If it gets past the wolves...

04-13-2004, 02:47 PM	#8
fatbaby Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 486	Thanks for the link ArronM ;-) __________________

04-13-2004, 02:50 PM	#9
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I would say 50% would pay at best. Checks are the way to go, with better scrubbing and fraud controls. There is no reason why that cant happen when mainstream has that.

04-13-2004, 02:51 PM	#10
Nysus Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,817	I was about to post 123Bill.com which is owned and developed by Brad (SinEmpire). Very good guy. Cheers, Matt __________________ What name is pr0 / Untouched Markets using these days? Untouched Markets - pr0 - Refund My Money Now Someone owes me $2,000 because they didn't do any work that was paid for pointing at pr0 / William / UntouchedMarkets See https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948258-untouchedmarkets-pr0-refund-money-post16744521.html and for more detailed see https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/948645-re-recent-bullshit-drama-explained-detail-pr0-untouched-markets.html

04-13-2004, 02:56 PM	#11
123Jason Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: W. Hollywood Posts: 89	if anyone is interested in 123Bill hit me up in email or icq and I'll be happy to help you out with anything. __________________ Account Representative, ChiChiClicks Toll Free 1-800-997-9071 x 245 \| ICQ #267863713

04-13-2004, 03:02 PM	#12
Shok Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: LIVE EVIL Posts: 5,611	Is that like billmelater.com? I have used them for a few years now on nonadult buys.

04-13-2004, 03:02 PM	#13
imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	am i reading this correctly you pay out just 65% and keep 35% ?

04-13-2004, 03:14 PM	#16
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	As many as 87% of U.S. consumers are still worried about using their credit cards to make Internet purchases, according to one recent survey. __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

04-13-2004, 05:18 PM	#17
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	Hi Everyone I'm happy to talk billing anytime, anyplace... Yes 35% is the fee but you're comprehending it wrong, most likely. It's not 35% on collected, our fee is 35% on gross. That means that all uncollected amounts, the cost of collections, chargebacks, refunds... everything comes out of that 35%. So, from the point that you make a sale you know that you're going to receive a check with my signature on it. Realize that we're not presenting ourselves as everyone's first choice as a primary billing method. What I am saying is that rather than send US traffic to a dialer or 900 solution, send them to 123Bill. Not only will you have the opportunity for recurring billing, but our financial model allows for trial pricing and ultimately will net the merchant more then ever possible with either other method. More questions? I'm happy to answer them here in the forum, on the phone, over ICQ or through email. Whatever is easiest for you! Cheers, Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

04-13-2004, 05:53 PM	#19
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	If I'm not mistaken, Alyon has already gone a few rounds with the FTC and ended up the winner. The guy who wrote this article is just like Forbes own little Luke Ford, imo.

04-14-2004, 04:30 AM	#21
Nicky Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,071	It it works its good, everyway to get them to pay is good __________________ gfynicky @ gmail.com

04-14-2004, 04:35 AM	#23
Jer God is Brazilian Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Brazil Posts: 10,601	123Bill.com is a very nice concept.

04-14-2004, 04:38 AM	#24
slackologist Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 2,379	new billing methods that catch on in rapidly expanding markets will provide a big boom for some well placed companies i'm sure.

04-14-2004, 04:40 AM	#25
Shoehorn! Die With Your Boots On Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Hawaii Posts: 22,872	Wow, should be interesting to see how that all pans out. __________________

04-14-2004, 05:58 AM	#27
justsexxx Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 13,723	Good and interesting read. Andre __________________ Questions? ICQ: 125184542

04-14-2004, 06:03 AM	#28
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,813	If I can answer any more questions about the service, please let me know!!! Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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04-14-2004, 11:52 AM	#39
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	So Aaron.......when are you going to get back to me anyway.....still "digesting" the stuff I sent you? Like I said above, we are waiving the set up fee right now, so this is a no lose situation for you.... let me know. __________________ Michael Sperber / Acella Financial LLC/ Online Payment Processing [email protected] / http://Acellafinancial.com/ ICQ 177961090 / Tel +1 909 NET BILL / Skype msperber