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Being one of the first large scale adult exit traffic broker in the business starting 5+ years ago with that (don't ask I don't do it anymore and have no desire to). That group of people bring our largest buyer for the longest time followed by the now non existant babenet. I feel those numbers may be right. While I don't know if they were spending $100,000 a day in buying search engine traffic specifically I do know that they were spending at least that kind of money on advertising in general. EVERY large scale CJ and alot of the large tgp's used our popup hahahahahahas to generate alot of money so I know the volume was there. I don't think they were the largest scam though. I did signup for there sites when we started using them and I didn't have a problem canceling. While there monthly rate was very high I was able to cancel without a problem and not get billed again. This is somewhat in contrast to what I saw over at Xpics but they went down before I really got any real volume going. Xpics was followed by adultbank who from everything I could see was strictly setup as a scam and got Xpics CC data base stuck a reseller program to make it look legit and was just running CC numbers.

Yeah and they get back 2/3 $ ??? I'd do that ... 1 year in jail and 600 millions in my pockets.

So basicly you made all your $ on scam traffic right ?

Actually you bring a real good point there :)

Charly Charly Charly ... Don't take Dark Jedi's posts as what he's really thinking ... He's a great guy and I doubt he treats his surfers as suckers

Ya, serge was sending them a ton of traffic every day, and they were probably paying serge 15 cents a click

that + SE + other traffic sources, they were spending a fortune. LOL

Actually, it wasnt just serge, at the time, probably every traffic broker sent it off to crescent.

Yea when the police get weed, they count full price (10 $ / g) even if it's hundread pounds . Cock suckers

Holy crap! That's a whoe whack of money. :eek2

OMFGOMFGOMFGOMFGOMFG That must have been the funniest case in the world ...

How did it end up ?

I'm not 100% sure what you are referring to. If your referring to the quality of traffic that we delivered them, at that point in time exit, popup and 404 traffic wasn't like it is today. The traffic was worth a lot more than it seems to be worth these days.

If your referring to the type of sites I used and promoted, from what I could tell at that point in time they weren't scams. I understand a lot of people have hard feelings about Babenet, Crescent publishing, Dynamic and others that have gone by the way side and cost a lot of people and webmasters money. The main reason that they cost so many people money was because of how much they were used. They were used by almost everyone who was around at the time. The major paysite networks had private deals. Serge and myself both brokered them millions and millions of hits every day. They basically OWNED ALL the adult search engine ad space that was available. Yahoo, AltaVista, HotBot, Lycos, InfoSeek and others. How they managed to pay the rates they did was always somewhat in question but they did manage to run unchecked for 2 years give or take. They owned and published newsstand publications. From everything people saw there was no real reason to doubt them or not do business with them.

I am upset when I hear of things like the wrong doings of Crescent. Even though I didn't have any prior knowledge of what seems to have been taking place there I feel somewhat responsible. By sending people to these sites many others and I unfortunately seem to have been helping to defraud consumers of millions of their hard earned dollars. There is no way I can return the money that people lost by putting in there CC information, I don't have it. No one really has all that money anymore. Crescent paid out there affiliates and brokers. Brokers turned around and paid the people they were buying traffic from. The traffic suppliers turned around and paid for content, bandwidth, scripts, servers and of course they need money to live.

Being a broker meant I worked on fairly small margins (10-25% of the gross) and very high risk. If the company I was sending to didn't pay me I had to eat that cost and try to get the money out of them through whatever means was available (legal fights suck). After all I made a deal to buy the providers traffic for X amount, it's not there fault that the person I was selling to didn't pay me. They made the deal with me.

I can't stomach traffic brokering anymore and so I don't do it. I can't take the stress of playing a margin that tight and unstable. Most of the "profits" I made is still tied up in lawsuits with buyers that are anywhere from 2 to 4 years old at this point with no real end in sight. I'm sorry that the industry has been hurt by crescent and others from past dealings. But I in no way feel like a scam. That includes the traffic I used to sell them, the webmasters who worked there butts off generating that traffic. Or the money that myself and others EARNED through a lot of hard work and sleepless nights.

If you wanna talk more about this hit me up on ICQ... it's in my sig. :)

Very good explaination of the situation . Thanx a lot man ... we just had a good talk on icq too