Freedom fighters are called terrorists by their oppressors. Terrorists are called freedom fighters by their oppressor?s enemies. Oppressors are called liberators by themselves and their allies. Liberators are called oppressors by freedom fighters and terrorists.

Those that call others 'evil' believe themselves to be 'good' just as those we call 'evil' believe themselves to be 'good'.

What a lovely world we live in.

It's pretty sad watching footage of kids barely out of highschool and probably still virgins in the middle of a place that doesn't want them there. They're so baby faced. ridiculous. Oh well.. they signed up. might explain why they are pissing the locals off so much.. not experienced enough to know it's as much a battle for minds as well as ground.

"The son of a Shiite father and a Sunni mother, he spoke of his two brothers who Saddam had hahahahahahahad as political prisoners, and then he gave his verdict on the occupation: "The invasion was a bad idea. Saddam was bad and Bush is bad - but we'd have Saddam back any day."

Sadeer, my driver in Baghdad, is leaning the same way.

When he arrived at the Palestine Hotel yesterday he was limping; the leg of his jeans was soaked in blood. The cut was small and we were able to bandage it, but George Bush had lost another Iraqi friend.

Sadeer, a 28-year-old Shiite, had been an enthusiastic supporter of the Americans and he takes his life in his hands by working for me. Iraqis are being hahahahahahahad just for being in the company of Westerners.

But his encounter with a bullying US soldier, who roughed him up as he came through the security cordon around the hotel, has pushed him into the nationalist Iraqi camp.

When the GI challenged him, Sadeer tried to explain in his limited English that he entered the hotel routinely. But he was barked at, shoved away and then belted on the foot with a rifle. He used to slow in traffic to greet the US troops. Now he has turned: "Americans bad for Iraq - too many problems."

Leaving the hotel on foot, we had to go through the same streets to get to his car. I tried to explain our movements to the officer in charge of a US tank unit, but we were greeted with a stream of invective.

As I thanked the officer for his civility and moved on, one of his men fell in beside me, mumbling. Asked to repeat himself, he exploded: "Don't you f---in' eyeball me."

Nodding to his officer and raising his weapon, he shrieked: "He has rank to lose. I don't. I'll take you out quick as a flash, motherf---er!"


http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/...621847374.html

didn't happen to them, until we gave them stinger's AND
trained' em, the Russian's ruled until them.

Kinda scary...one of my good friends is going into Apache training in 4 months, wants to be a pilot.

*shakes head*

FF!

are you joking?

geez its urban combat i bet the drive past buildings ALL DAY another perfect place to be ambushed you cannot avoid everything

true, can't avoid everything. could they be planning better? sure. could that have more experienced personnel? sure

Nizzice :) :thumbsup

I remember when the US got handed their arses in Vietnam by the VC.

When you have a determined enemy that can live on nothing, fighting a guerilla war for their homeland and prepared to die for it versus an occupying army made up of kids used to a soft life and don't give a shit on the outcome. Who are you going to back?

All the technology will win you a conventional war, that took a few weeks. Now you have occupation and guerilla resistance and that's harder.

To the hardliners, going in and wiping out whole towns does not work, Nazis, Russians, Africans, Serbs, Americans all tried it and it fails. Just build resistance and hatred. Plus will the world stand by and allow the the US to do it?

Ah...the cluless old fuck is mouthing off again about shit he does not have a clue about. The VC...nor the NVA never won a single battle.

It worked very well with Germany and Japan both of which were successes not failures...clueless.

The world cannot stop the US from doing whatever it chooses to do unless the world is willing to committ suicide...thus the world will not try. Buy a fucking clue.

Up to a point, yes.

But something hard for a lot of people to comprehend is that the U.S will most likely not always be the worlds most powerful nation, there are other powers in the world with far greater potiential and many say that the U.S is already beginning it's own ( very gradual, perhaps ) decay.

why the hell did they drive a tank under that underpass, it is really prone to attacks from above from there :warning

that was my first thought looking at that picture. on the other hand, from looking at that picture you're missing a lot of context - but the fact remains.. the tank is fucked.

So how come the US were thrown out, they won all the battles and lost the country. :1orglaugh

Both of whom failed to win their wars and stop resistance. People are prepared to die in huge numbers to protect their homes from invasion.

The whole coalition would fall apart, the US would be ostracised. If people stop buying US goods by 5% it would throw enough Americans out of work to tip the balance. The world is more complicated than your little brain can comprehend.

You just want to see bodies coming home and piles of dead in Iraq, does that arouse you?

They tried it in Vietnam and it failed, dot you remember the Vietcong. They were the people who took over the country after the US were sent home with their tails between their legs.

You advocated killing Muslims as if that was the answer, you have little idae of what you are talking about, your stupidity is boundless.

Or do you think the US can occupy and subdue the whole Nation of Islam? The US cannot even control one tiny corner of it.

You are a useless fuck who has nothing in his life but the fact he lives in the most powerful country in the world. You may be a complete loser, but at least you are an American loser. You're a joke. :321GFY

That A1 tank was owned by a rocket propelled granade shot by a 10 year old Freedom Fighter.

Up to a point yes.

But you have to remember I was born in 1950, so was a teenager during the Vietnam war and remember the feeling towards Americans during the 60s. In the beginning Americans were spat at, goods were avoided and they lost influence around the world. What turned it was the peace movement in the US, the protest songs, draft dodgers and anti war marches. We saw that this war was not what most of the US wanted.

More than two million people died for paddy fields. They were being sold the lie that it was to stop communism. Well look at what happened when the Us got out, Cambodia sunk into the hell created by the US bombings, only to be rescued by the Vietcong. Thailand remained democratic and the Communist never took over the world.

Now we have Iraq and unless Bush get's out now he will be rembered for the failure.

Sorry for ranting against theking, I really should not let usel, moronic, losers get to me. Guess that has made his day a bit brighter.

Why do you post BS...never mind...I know why...it is because you are a clueless fuck. The US was not thrown out. There was a political decision made to withdraw our forces from South Vietnam.


The Allies wiped out "whole towns" and crushed the Germans and Japanese...so it did not fail...clueless.

The only thing that failed in Vietnam were our politicians micro managing the military and making a decision not to take control of North Vietnam.

FYI the Vietcong were destroyed for all practical purposes during the "Tet" offensive initiated by the VC. It was the NVA that took control of South Vietnam two years after the American forces were withdrawn.

Time will tell (a decade or two) if the US mission in Iraq is successful...so check back in 9-19 years...clueless. Oh...I forgot...you old clueless ass will be dead.

Up to a point yes.

But you have to remember I was born in 1950, so was a teenager during the Vietnam war and remember the feeling towards Americans during the 60s. In the beginning Americans were spat at, goods were avoided and they lost influence around the world. What turned it was the peace movement in the US, the protest songs, draft dodgers and anti war marches. We saw that this war was not what most of the US wanted.

More than two million people died for paddy fields. They were being sold the lie that it was to stop communism. Well look at what happened when the Us got out, Cambodia sunk into the hell created by the US bombings, only to be rescued by the Vietcong. Thailand remained democratic and the Communist never took over the world.

Now we have Iraq and unless Bush get's out now he will be rembered for the failure.

Sorry for ranting against theking, I really should not let usel, moronic, losers get to me. Guess that has made his day a bit brighter.

Clueless...a spamming board whore that is on the verge of being banned gives every appearance of being the moron.