Dr. Rice's testimony

[theking]

...makes it apparant (using a military analogy)...as regards 9/11...that the perimeter guards were posted but the Sgt. of the gurad did not check the guard posts to see that the gaurds were alert and/or not sleeping.

In hindsight...it is difficult to understand why there was not a single principal's meeting about "terrorists" up to 9/11. I found her explanation for this to be weak at best.

[dav555add]

Easy to lay blame.
How about the fact the bill was more interested in gettting blow jobs rather than fight terrorists?
How about the fact the george had only been in office 235 days?

[Roger]

Originally posted by dav555add
Easy to lay blame.
How about the fact the bill was more interested in gettting blow jobs rather than fight terrorists?

And yet they prevented the Millenium Plot.

Shit happened, warnings where ignored. It's impossible to stop all terror attacks. But why did the people who screwed up get promoted? Why did noone got fired? Heck if you worked in a private organisation you'd be fired for much less than that.

[theking]

Originally posted by dav555add
Easy to lay blame.
How about the fact the bill was more interested in gettting blow jobs rather than fight terrorists?
How about the fact the george had only been in office 235 days?

Where did I "lay blame"? I stated what is an obivious fact to me...and an actual fact.

What took place on President Clinton's watch took place and President Clinton can answer for that. What has taken place under President Bush's watch has taken place and President Bush can answer for that.

[stocktrader23]

Originally posted by dav555add
Easy to lay blame.
How about the fact the bill was more interested in gettting blow jobs rather than fight terrorists?
How about the fact the george had only been in office 235 days?

Correct. Once you are President you should not have any sexual contact until after your term is over. If you do, you just aren't doing your job.

Fucking Republicans raised all kinds of hell about pissant shit when it was Clinton but how fucking dare anyone question the monkey. Right?

[dav555add]

Originally posted by theking


Where did I "lay blame"? I stated what is an obivious fact to me...and an actual fact.

What took place on President Clinton's watch took place and President Clinton can answer for that. What has taken place under President Bush's watch has taken place and President Bush can answer for that.

We are still paying for Clinton's lack of vision in combatting terrorism...

[dav555add]

Originally posted by stocktrader23


Correct. Once you are President you should not have any sexual contact until after your term is over. If you do, you just aren't doing your job.

Fucking Republicans raised all kinds of hell about pissant shit when it was Clinton but how fucking dare anyone question the monkey. Right?

Actually bill is known for his many conquests, but that's beside the point. And I was not talking about doing hillary....

[theking]

Originally posted by dav555add


We are still paying for Clinton's lack of vision in combatting terrorism...

I agree that the action taken during his Administration was weak at best...as was the lack of attention paid during the currernt Administrations reign up to 9/11. Refer to my analogy.

[The Porn Dude]

Originally posted by dav555add
Easy to lay blame.
How about the fact the bill was more interested in gettting blow jobs rather than fight terrorists?
How about the fact the george had only been in office 235 days?

How about the fact that 36 days into the Clinton administration the first attack on the wrold trade center occured. Was everyone rushing to crucify Gearge H.? No it was all Clintons fault. Now 235 days into George W. and it is still Clintons fault. You can't have it both ways. I think this sums up how the republicans see and act on things.

[genomega]

At least bush is doing something about it.

There are many facts you are not aware of because the press will not mention them.

Congress would not allow the cia and fbi to talk to each other.
Democrats in congress tried to defund the cia and cut their budget year after year and ordered them not to talk to any bad guys.

The fbi tried many times to get warrents to search computers and tap phone lines all turned down by federal judges.

[Paul Markham]

Originally posted by dav555add


We are still paying for Clinton's lack of vision in combatting terrorism...

So why didn't the clever people behind Bush see this and put into place more safe guards. Seems to me they did not see Bills failing until after the event, probably to busy looking for his ex girlfriends to concentrate on anything else.

It wasn't only Clinton who was distracted by the Monice Lewinsky case, the Republicans were way to preoccupied in it as well.

[dav555add]

Originally posted by charly
So why didn't the clever people behind Bush see this and put into place more safe guards. Seems to me they did not see Bills failing until after the event, probably to busy looking for his ex girlfriends to concentrate on anything else.

It wasn't only Clinton who was distracted by the Monice Lewinsky case, the Republicans were way to preoccupied in it as well.

in 234 days?

[Gemini]

I'd rather have a Pres bold face lie about his personal sex life than to 'bend' the truth about my personal safety etc.

[theking]

Originally posted by Gemini
I'd rather have a Pres bold face lie about his personal sex life than to 'bend' the truth about my personal safety etc.

Hmm...which President bent the truth about your personal safety?

[The Porn Dude]

I still can't believe people are this upset about a BJ. Get over it. And if Clinton was so short sighted why is this administration jumping through hoops to look like they were doing as much as Clinton?

Claim vs. Fact: Condoleezza Rice's Opening Statement

April 8, 2004

CLAIM: "We decided immediately to continue pursuing the Clinton Administration's covert action authorities and other efforts to fight the network."

FACT: Newsweek reported that "In the months before 9/11, the U.S. Justice Department curtailed a highly classified program called 'Catcher's Mitt' to monitor al-Qaida suspects in the United States." Additionally, AP reported "though Predator drones spotted Osama bin Laden as many as three times in late 2000, the Bush administration did not fly the unmanned planes over Afghanistan during its first eight months," thus terminating the reconnaissance missions started during the Clinton Administration. [Sources: Newsweek, 3/21/04; AP, 6/25/03]....

Read the rest here

[Gemini]

King, don't play the fool with me. You know very well who I mean. The current admin is so free and easy with their definitions of every thing that if they were Dems, the repubs would be screaming for blood besides impeachment.

[theking]

Originally posted by Gemini
King, don't play the fool with me. You know very well who I mean. The current admin is so free and easy with their definitions of every thing that if they were Dems, the repubs would be screaming for blood besides impeachment.

I do not know exactly what you are referring to when you say "The current admin is so free and easy with their definitions of every thing...". Are you willing to provide some specificity?

[seven]

Originally posted by theking
...makes it apparant (using a military analogy)...as regards 9/11...that the perimeter guards were posted but the Sgt. of the gurad did not check the guard posts to see that the gaurds were alert and/or not sleeping.

In hindsight...it is difficult to understand why there was not a single principal's meeting about "terrorists" up to 9/11. I found her explanation for this to be weak at best.

Huh? This is coming from TheKing? The blind Bush supporter? Noway, I prolly just need some coffee.. lol.

[theking]

Originally posted by seven

Huh? This is coming from TheKing? The blind Bush supporter? Noway, I prolly just need some coffee.. lol.

I am not a supporter of President Bush in general and I have never been a supporter of President Bush...and I have stated this repeatedly.

[seven]

Originally posted by dav555add
How about the fact the bill was more interested in gettting blow jobs rather than fight terrorists?

Who tells you that Bush is not getting any blowjobs? He's probably just better at hiding it lol. Well.. probably not if he's a confirmed Viagra user thou

[Gemini]

Ok, this one might be strictly a pure 'definition'...

Condi just stated that even tho they KNEW there was going to be a highjacking or at least a very good chance there would be an attempt... they couldn't do anything to combat that.

IE: 3 mos wasn't enough time to 'harden' aircraft doors... Ummm but they could have made a d*mned good concerted effort and had quite a few planes completed... possibly the ones that were highjacked? Hmmmm something to think about...

but then add in...

They managed to have the military might transferred halfway around the globe in about that same time frame - 3 mos. They managed to PO half the World at the US in that same time.

Even *I* knew Saddam couldn't have gotten the technology for ICBMs and figured out how to make them, let alone test them... in any sort of short time frame.

yet the good ol boy was going to hit us with his stash of nukes?? (that last part was tongue in cheek)

If Bush was "protecting" Israel, he d*mned well should have made that statement. I personally have nothing against that country right up and until they start getting our boys whacked without us knowing what they're getting sent home in ziplocks FOR. They can protect themselves and would have been more than happy to buzzbomb Iraq for a couple of weeks. They've proven that time and again that they can be just as bloodthirsty as the Radicals.

Bending and warping truth about our country and such is NOT ACCEPTABLE in any form. Yet you don't see anyone screaming to Impeach from the Repubs currently do you?

Lesser of two evils, starting a war without being 10,000% sure of something
Worst of two evils, commiting adultery. Obviously this one wins hands down!!

[theking]

Originally posted by Gemini
Ok, this one might be strictly a pure 'definition'...

Condi just stated that even tho they KNEW there was going to be a highjacking or at least a very good chance there would be an attempt... they couldn't do anything to combat that.

IE: 3 mos wasn't enough time to 'harden' aircraft doors... Ummm but they could have made a d*mned good concerted effort and had quite a few planes completed... possibly the ones that were highjacked? Hmmmm something to think about...

but then add in...

They managed to have the military might transferred halfway around the globe in about that same time frame - 3 mos. They managed to PO half the World at the US in that same time.

Even *I* knew Saddam couldn't have gotten the technology for ICBMs and figured out how to make them, let alone test them... in any sort of short time frame.

yet the good ol boy was going to hit us with his stash of nukes?? (that last part was tongue in cheek)

If Bush was "protecting" Israel, he d*mned well should have made that statement. I personally have nothing against that country right up and until they start getting our boys whacked without us knowing what they're getting sent home in ziplocks FOR. They can protect themselves and would have been more than happy to buzzbomb Iraq for a couple of weeks. They've proven that time and again that they can be just as bloodthirsty as the Radicals.

Bending and warping truth about our country and such is NOT ACCEPTABLE in any form. Yet you don't see anyone screaming to Impeach from the Repubs currently do you?

Lesser of two evils, starting a war without being 10,000% sure of something
Worst of two evils, commiting adultery. Obviously this one wins hands down!!

Well...you are entitled to your thinking and opinion...but from my perspective your thinking and opinion is pretty much based upon mis-perception...and not alot of insight.

[PMdave]

Originally posted by dav555add

How about the fact the george had only been in office 235 days?

Originally posted by dav555add

in 234 days?

What was he doing that other day?

[Heywood Jablome]

I'm always amazed that nobod-y remembers how Robert Mueller's confirmation as FBI Director was held up by Congress until just one week before 9-11 (Sept 4 to be exact).

The FBI didn't have any meaningful leadership for the 8 months preceeding 9-11, and a lot of the blame for that is on Congress.

[dav555add]

Originally posted by PMdave



What was he doing that other day?

Buying cialis

[Gemini]

He spent the missing day trying to figure out if he was supposed to be looking at the tail or the mane when riding a horse. In other words at his ranch...

Just like he is now. When, if he wanted to show the country he is WORKING on things while the kiddies are getting burped in their tupperware containers to await shipment home, by being in his OFFICE. not the back 9 somewhere.

I have no misconceptions King. None whateoever. I've had the last 3 months to do nothing but sit and read the paper and watch news ALLLL day and night.

I only THOUGHT daddy Bush was a poor president. Guess his son showed him up in at least ONE way eh?

[vending_machine]

One thing which Bill Maher pointed out was that if this had happened under the watch of a Democratic president, the Republicans would have used the "this happened under their watch, vote for us and it will never happen again" line. As far as I know, this has not been the case from the Democrats..

[Mr.Fiction]

When President Clinton launched attacks on terrorists, the Republicans called it "wagging the dog" and tried to stop him from doing more.

Republicans also delayed and watered down an anti-terrorism bill that Clinton was trying to pass in 1996.

Republicans also did everything they could to keep Clinton's focus off of terrorism by worrying about oral sex while Clinton was president.

The Republicans fucked up.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by dav555add
in 234 days?

You make it sound like a few weeks. Yes, 234 days is barely enough time to unpack your bookends and order in your first catered dinner for the joint chiefs.

[icu33774]

hum i wonders what saudi and nwo have to do with this?

[theking]

During her testimony...Dr. Rice stated that she was briefed for one hour...by her predecessor Sandy Burger. One hour to bring a new National Security Advisor up to speed??? MacDonald's probably has more than a one hour briefing.

[CDSmith]

Originally posted by theking
MacDonald's probably has more than a one hour briefing.

I can think of several GFY'ers who would have first hand knowledge of this.

[TheSenator]

that is why we need KERRY for president!

[dig420]

Clinton had Osama on lockdown.

Republicans are corrupt, stupid, unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their actions or lack of them, and totally fixated on trying to make sure Clinton doesn't go down in history as a great President.

They're far more concerned with playing politics and 'winning' than they are with responsible govt.

And before anyone says 'all politicians are that way' lemme say that NO, they are not. Democrats are responsible leaders. Republicans are opportunistic, incompetent dirtbags.

Thank You.

[High Quality]

Jesus these political threads are getting boring as fuck.

[AWC]

and if a democrat were in office... Al Gore would have been too busy re-inventing the Internet and dismantling the military.

[Mutt]

that does amaze me - i've never seen anything like it before, the Republicans' obsession with Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton is Ferris Bueller.

I think George W. Bush is a moron but sometimes being a moron allows one to see a complex problem in its simplest terms. While everyhahahaha else is confounded by it the moron arrives at the right answer. American had to bare its teeth in the Middle East. I would much rather it had been been the Saudis but Bush had something to prove to Dad so Iraq drew the short straw.

[rett11]

Originally posted by dig420
Clinton had Osama on lockdown.

Republicans are corrupt, stupid, unable or unwilling to take responsibility for their actions or lack of them, and totally fixated on trying to make sure Clinton doesn't go down in history as a great President.

They're far more concerned with playing politics and 'winning' than they are with responsible govt.

And before anyone says 'all politicians are that way' lemme say that NO, they are not. Democrats are responsible leaders. Republicans are opportunistic, incompetent dirtbags.

Thank You.

While some might see this as harsh, I agree wholeheartedly. This is the most secretive administration in years, if not ever. The real point of this 9/11 commission to me is not whether Bush, etc. had direct knowledge of the attacks, but that they acted irresponsibly in the fight on terrorism before AND after 9/11. Bush lied about the reasons for going to war with Iraq...they were never a threat. Of course, if he told the truth, he would have been impeached. And attacking Iraq does nothing for the fight on terrorism, except maybe to make it worse.

[mardigras]

Originally posted by TheSenator
that is why we need KERRY for president!

We need someone else for president

[theking]

Dr. Rice said more that once that the FBI had been "Tasked" but one of the Commissioners said that they (the Commission) could not find anyone in the FBI that knew anything about being "Tasked"...and yet not much has been made about this thus far.