Should Sponsors Only Accept Affiliates Who Have References? - GoFuckYourself.com

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 11:23 AM

I brought this up at one of the seminars and a few things discussed was the liability involved if a sponsor gave a bad reference.

However I'm sure it happens all the time outside of written contact.

This could of course help nip the cheating in the bud, but could very well hurt an honest webmaster who had been accused maybe wrongfully.

In this day and age sponsors will have to take a very proactive approach in making sure to comply with Visa and it seems like knowing who you are dealing with and where their traffic is coming from is going to be a major factor.

chowda · 04-07-2004, 11:25 AM

i think i would if i allow spamming.

[Brian] · 04-07-2004, 11:25 AM

We accepted you into our program with no references...

don't be worried, send some traffic!

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by [Brian]
We accepted you into our program with no references...

don't be worried, send some traffic!

LOL okay it is time to unleash the russian credit card mafia ! ;)

j/k

riosluts · 04-07-2004, 11:26 AM

I bet in 10 years you will need a license probably to be an adult webmaster. You'll have to go to Adult University and learn all the basics and such.

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by riosluts
I bet in 10 years you will need a license probably to be an adult webmaster. You'll have to go to Adult University and learn all the basics and such.

I hear the DeVry institute is already taking applications.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-07-2004, 11:27 AM

On the same token affiliates need to know they are doing business with but really Sponsor's have always known this and only recently have they started watching who there affiliates are.

Having ad's everwhere begging for webmasters to become affiliates actually is bad business without a screening process.

I think it is a good practice to prevent fraudmasters from comming into a program ridding them makes a program stronger, after all fraudmasters are what hurt webmasters.

Sly_RJ · 04-07-2004, 11:27 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster
This could of course help nip the cheating in the bud, but could very well hurt an honest webmaster who had been accused maybe wrongfully.

An honest webmaster would have several positive referrals. One or two negative referrals shouldn't be a problem. Furthermore, if the webmaster was having bad luck with a program, he wouldn't list them as a reference.

I don't see this being any different than references on a job application.

=^..^= · 04-07-2004, 11:28 AM

i cant see that it woudl be such a bad idea
really who would be opposed except the cheaters?

m00d · 04-07-2004, 11:29 AM

no! that is total horse crap! if I piss off pimpdogg on gfy I get a bad reference! fuck that too many retards in this industry.

Sly_RJ · 04-07-2004, 11:31 AM

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Originally posted by m00d
no! that is total horse crap! if I piss off pimpdogg on gfy I get a bad reference! fuck that too many retards in this industry.

Why would you list pimpdog as a reference?

m00d · 04-07-2004, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

An honest webmaster would have several positive referrals.

what if you are just beginning? where do you get these referrals? what if you've only started 6 months ago using one sponsor who cheats you and wont give you a good reference? if sponsors want to go out of business this is a good way to do it. twist our arms just a little bit more in favor of doing our own billing

High Quality · 04-07-2004, 11:32 AM

Naw, just make sure theres no chargeback history wht that affiliate

m00d · 04-07-2004, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Why would you list pimpdog as a reference?

that was a hypothetical. i could pull out 20 sponsors who have total dickwad retards working the boards for them for this example.

next thing you know some of the bottom scrapers on here will have a service setup , " pay us x amount of cash for good reference."

Trax · 04-07-2004, 11:35 AM

i really like the idea
i wouldnt want to have every cheating fuck out there promote my program!

purecash doesnt seem to run bad with it

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by Trax
i really like the idea
i wouldnt want to have every cheating fuck out there promote my program!

purecash doesnt seem to run bad with it

Actually I was speaking to the boys at purecash and from what they told me they no longer do that.

Sly_RJ · 04-07-2004, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by m00d
what if you are just beginning? where do you get these referrals?

Things can easily be done on a trial basis, just like getting your first job.

This isn't rocket science. As an affiliate I get fucked right and left by lower payouts because sponsors need to cover their ass from cheaters. As an affiliate I welcome a reference based system. I've already participated in several.

I don't like cheaters. Either should you. They screw up good things.

toonces · 04-07-2004, 11:37 AM

We do that with affiliattes that we send to our merchant accounts.

Other webmasters we put through the most fraud analysis we can, then let the third party billers do their job.

m00d · 04-07-2004, 11:37 AM

this is elitist crap. you guys wanna start a good ol' boys club in porn. well wake up! cause it ain't going to happen. no matter how much you sit on gfy and dream of being able to keep others out of your chosen profession, it's a pipe dream.

Theo · 04-07-2004, 11:39 AM

9 out of 10 sponsors will give you a blowjob to join their program
and with 2-3 new sponsors/day that's like science fiction.

polish_aristocrat · 04-07-2004, 11:39 AM

How about new webmasters?
They would have no reference.

Sly_RJ · 04-07-2004, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by m00d
this is elitist crap. you guys wanna start a good ol' boys club in porn. well wake up! cause it ain't going to happen. no matter how much you sit on gfy and dream of being able to keep others out of your chosen profession, it's a pipe dream.

You're just upset that you aren't perfect.

Like Soul Rebel just mentioned, it doesn't really matter, there will always be new programs desperate for affiliates that will let anyone in. Stop flipping out.

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You're just upset that you aren't perfect.

Like Soul Rebel just mentioned, it doesn't really matter, there will always be new programs desperate for affiliates that will let anyone in. Stop flipping out.

m00d · 04-07-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

Things can easily be done on a trial basis, just like getting your first job.

This isn't rocket science. As an affiliate I get fucked right and left by lower payouts because sponsors need to cover their ass from cheaters. As an affiliate I welcome a reference based system. I've already participated in several.

I don't like cheaters. Either should you. They screw up good things.

I agree with everything you said about cheaters affecting all our pocketbooks. That's what comes with having a free society ( dont start arguing if we are actually free, this isn't a polisci thread).
There wouldn't need to be a justice system if some idiots didn't break the law. Just imagine how us non-criminals could live if the govt didnt spend our tax money on crime. Why we would have streets paved with gold, the best schools in the world, free healthcare, free college educations, etc.

I wish I could live one day with the ability to make everything work in the way that best benefits me. I really do...

i gotta stop daydreaming.

WiredGuy · 04-07-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
9 out of 10 sponsors will give you a blowjob to join their program
and with 2-3 new sponsors/day that's like science fiction.

I need to update my list of sponsors apparently

WG

m00d · 04-07-2004, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

You're just upset that you aren't perfect.

Like Soul Rebel just mentioned, it doesn't really matter, there will always be new programs desperate for affiliates that will let anyone in. Stop flipping out.

I'm not perfect? Go find one sponsor I've ever used who has ANYTHING negative to say about me and I will paypal you $100.

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by m00d
I agree with everything you said about cheaters affecting all our pocketbooks. That's what comes with having a free society ( dont start arguing if we are actually free, this isn't a polisci thread).
There wouldn't need to be a justice system if some idiots didn't break the law. Just imagine how us non-criminals could live if the govt didnt spend our tax money on crime. Why we would have streets paved with gold, the best schools in the world, free healthcare, free college educations, etc.

I wish I could live one day with the ability to make everything work in the way that best benefits me. I really do...

i gotta stop daydreaming.

I love how people confuse free societies and free enterprise with being allowed to operate your business in your best interest.

You have rights and freedoms but they don't extend to you joining an affiliate program...LOL

This is not about setting up a good ol' boy network..but about making sure your business will be around at the end of this year, and the next so on and so on.

Sly_RJ · 04-07-2004, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by m00d
I agree with everything you said about cheaters affecting all our pocketbooks. That's what comes with having a free society ( dont start arguing if we are actually free, this isn't a polisci thread).
There wouldn't need to be a justice system if some idiots didn't break the law. Just imagine how us non-criminals could live if the govt didnt spend our tax money on crime. Why we would have streets paved with gold, the best schools in the world, free healthcare, free college educations, etc.

I wish I could live one day with the ability to make everything work in the way that best benefits me. I really do...

i gotta stop daydreaming.

It isn't day dreaming! How dense are you? Right now I'm sending traffic to 2 private programs that have higher payouts than any other similar programs in the industry. See how sweet that is? I'm making MORE money largely because of no cheating.

Holy shit Batman! A revelation!

m00d · 04-07-2004, 11:50 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

I love how people confuse free societies and free enterprise with being allowed to operate your business in your best interest.

You have rights and freedoms but they don't extend to you joining an affiliate program...LOL

This is not about setting up a good ol' boy network..but about making sure your business will be around at the end of this year, and the next so on and so on.

I make sure my business will be around next year all by myself. If the whole AVS system ends tomorrow, I've planned my business and my life for that possibilty. Would it really really hurt? Hell yeah! I'd weep. But my business would be far from over. I've made it in this business for many years on my own, I can keep me there.

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by m00d
I make sure my business will be around next year all by myself. If the whole AVS system ends tomorrow, I've planned my business and my life for that possibilty. Would it really really hurt? Hell yeah! I'd weep. But my business would be far from over. I've made it in this business for many years on my own, I can keep me there.

I'm not referring to your business being around, I'm referring to a sponsors business being around.

The day of setting up a front page that leads to a bunch of plug in content and 1,000 pics bought in a blow out deal while advertising 10,000 on the tour are over.

Sponsors have to ensure that they have what they are selling, and need to make sure that their webmasters are not sandbagging them in the process.

m00d · 04-07-2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

It isn't day dreaming! How dense are you? Right now I'm sending traffic to 2 private programs that have higher payouts than any other similar programs in the industry. See how sweet that is? I'm making MORE money largely because of no cheating.

Holy shit Batman! A revelation!

You can't stick to talking about the topic. You start hurling grade school insults. Your personal attacks render it impossible to have a debate on merits with you.

Go argue with amp or something.

m00d · 04-07-2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

I'm not referring to your business being around, I'm referring to a sponsors business being around.

The day of setting up a front page that leads to a bunch of plug in content and 1,000 pics bought in a blow out deal while advertising 10,000 on the tour are over.

Sponsors have to ensure that they have what they are selling, and need to make sure that their webmasters are not sandbagging them in the process.

I couldn't agree more with what you said. Requiring references isn't the way to achieve that.

Nismo · 04-07-2004, 11:57 AM

What about new webmasters who are new to the biz?

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 12:00 PM

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Originally posted by m00d
I couldn't agree more with what you said. Requiring references isn't the way to achieve that.

That's very debatable...it's not a way you'd personally like to see in how to handle things, but it may be end up being the way things are handled by some established sponsors.

Do I think it will happen 100%? No not really, this is more of a discussion an extension on what was already being discussed a few days ago.

It's already being done at this point behind closed doors, and neither one of us will ever know about it.

A sponsor is taking many chances, gambling on many things and they are hoping that with each new webmaster they bring in they've allowed in the next whale...so just with that in mind I don't foresee it happening.

AK · 04-07-2004, 12:01 PM

that is not a bad idea..

how about posting it on a site..
maybe something like this
www.blacklist.com

this should be a non profit site, just to help sponsors know who to NOT doing business with, and vice versa.

oh, i just looked at blaklist.com
it's on sale... hahahahha
the owner is looking for an idea what to make of the site.

stevecore · 04-07-2004, 12:03 PM

speaking from a graphic design standpoint, 99.9% of my business is refferal only and i perfer it that way. i do not wish to deal with people i do not know on a personal basis but if a good friend reffers them then i know they can be trusted.

it eliminates pretty much any chance of getting ripped off.

as for sponsors, there are some affiliate programs out there that have done this... QB was one, until released to the public. Probably the most successful case out of any that went this route IMHO. But in any case, sponsors with good fraud protection will continue to take anyone and everyone and hopefully they can catch these scammers prior to doing them any major damage.

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by stevecore
speaking from a graphic design standpoint, 99.9% of my business is refferal only and i perfer it that way. i do not wish to deal with people i do not know on a personal basis but if a good friend reffers them then i know they can be trusted.

I need some references before I will allow you to continue posting in this thread.

Sly_RJ · 04-07-2004, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by m00d
You can't stick to talking about the topic. You start hurling grade school insults. Your personal attacks render it impossible to have a debate on merits with you.

Go argue with amp or something.

I'm just playing with you because you seem riled up. Haha.

Requiring references has both advantages and disadvantages. I, personally, like the idea.

stevecore · 04-07-2004, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

I need some references before I will allow you to continue posting in this thread.

ummm let's see....

*runs out of thread*

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by stevecore

ummm let's see....

*runs out of thread*

After checking with many sponsors and going through your TRW report you have been approved for posting on GFY.

m00d · 04-07-2004, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by Sly_RJ

I'm just playing with you because you seem riled up. Haha.

Requiring references has both advantages and disadvantages. I, personally, like the idea.

Yeah, I did get riled up. It's just that I despise anything that makes it seem as if sponsors are doing us a favor by accepting our traffic or sales. It's the opposite. I get really pissed when it's suggested otherwise. It's like all those threads calling for pay to post on Gfy. What in hell is wrong with you people is what I say? You would pay to post on GFY? Pageviews are plenty enough for GFY crew. I don't like sponsors/boards getting too uppity. I see this a lot on the boards, yet have never experienced it first hand from any sponsor I've used. I will never use a sponsor that treats me like they are doing me a favor by letting me make them money. Fuck that. They'll have to go bye-bye.

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by m00d
Yeah, I did get riled up. It's just that I despise anything that makes it seem as if sponsors are doing us a favor by accepting our traffic or sales. It's the opposite. I get really pissed when it's suggested otherwise. It's like all those threads calling for pay to post on Gfy. What in hell is wrong with you people is what I say? You would pay to post on GFY? Pageviews are plenty enough for GFY crew. I don't like sponsors/boards getting too uppity. I see this a lot on the boards, yet have never experienced it first hand from any sponsor I've used. I will never use a sponsor that treats me like they are doing me a favor by letting me make them money. Fuck that. They'll have to go bye-bye.

The simple fact is this biz is getting tougher and needs to.

It is because of the free swinging "wild west" days that has lead people to take such drastic measures as to initiate partnership requirements for submissions...or even paid submissions...you will see more and more things like this in the future.

yeah I guess eventually it will be a good ol' boy's network but it won't be something you can't ever break into. But instead of pretending that the barriers to enter this biz won't get any tougher prepare yourself now.

Get to know people, the sponsors, the tgps owners, the gallery submitters whoever you do biz with.

It's amazing how many people you rely on daily just to get biz done...get to know them and you won't have to worry about being shut out.

RockDaddy · 04-07-2004, 05:38 PM

I wouldn't care as long as they were quick about it, I tried signing up with one that required that and they took almost two weeks to get back to me with an approval. I said fuck it by that point.

On the other hand, as in giving employee references, there are legal guidelines as to what you can say and can't. Don't know how that would apply here but I'm sure it would rear it's ugly head at some point.

But anything that cuts down on fraud, shaving and the endless supply of newbies I would support!

Axeman · 04-07-2004, 05:56 PM

I think it will head in that direction for some sponsors, but you will always have a few programs that are looking for traffic from anyone and anyhahahaha.

It definitely pays to know who is sending you traffic.

TDF · 04-07-2004, 05:58 PM

sponsors are defintiely more selective wqith who theyw ant promoting them

eroswebmaster · 04-07-2004, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by toodamnfli
sponsors are defintiely more selective wqith who theyw ant promoting them

I agree and the key sponsors will probably include more stringent inspections of sites etc in the near future.

04-07-2004, 11:23 AM	#1
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04-07-2004, 11:26 AM	#5
riosluts Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,250	I bet in 10 years you will need a license probably to be an adult webmaster. You'll have to go to Adult University and learn all the basics and such. __________________

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	On the same token affiliates need to know they are doing business with but really Sponsor's have always known this and only recently have they started watching who there affiliates are. Having ad's everwhere begging for webmasters to become affiliates actually is bad business without a screening process. I think it is a good practice to prevent fraudmasters from comming into a program ridding them makes a program stronger, after all fraudmasters are what hurt webmasters. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

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04-07-2004, 11:29 AM	#10
m00d So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 3,129	no! that is total horse crap! if I piss off pimpdogg on gfy I get a bad reference! fuck that too many retards in this industry.

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04-07-2004, 12:01 PM	#35
AK MadZuma Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California Posts: 6,436	that is not a bad idea.. how about posting it on a site.. maybe something like this www.blacklist.com this should be a non profit site, just to help sponsors know who to NOT doing business with, and vice versa. oh, i just looked at blaklist.com it's on sale... hahahahha the owner is looking for an idea what to make of the site. __________________ Alfonsus Kusuma (AK) ak at madzuma.com skype me - alfonsus.com

04-07-2004, 12:03 PM	#36
stevecore Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,130	speaking from a graphic design standpoint, 99.9% of my business is refferal only and i perfer it that way. i do not wish to deal with people i do not know on a personal basis but if a good friend reffers them then i know they can be trusted. it eliminates pretty much any chance of getting ripped off. as for sponsors, there are some affiliate programs out there that have done this... QB was one, until released to the public. Probably the most successful case out of any that went this route IMHO. But in any case, sponsors with good fraud protection will continue to take anyone and everyone and hopefully they can catch these scammers prior to doing them any major damage.

04-07-2004, 05:38 PM	#43
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	I wouldn't care as long as they were quick about it, I tried signing up with one that required that and they took almost two weeks to get back to me with an approval. I said fuck it by that point. On the other hand, as in giving employee references, there are legal guidelines as to what you can say and can't. Don't know how that would apply here but I'm sure it would rear it's ugly head at some point. But anything that cuts down on fraud, shaving and the endless supply of newbies I would support!

04-07-2004, 05:56 PM	#44
Axeman Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Swamp Posts: 5,201	I think it will head in that direction for some sponsors, but you will always have a few programs that are looking for traffic from anyone and anyhahahaha. It definitely pays to know who is sending you traffic. __________________ XXXRewards - Karups - Boyfun - Jawked. Paying on time since 1997. Contact me at brent [at] xxxrewards.com

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