Iraq: Vietnam? "Stay the Course?" -->

[Ian]

"148 battle deaths, 145 non battle deaths." = Gulf War #2.

Since the "War" ended now add about 600.

500 battle deaths, 100 non battle deaths.

It seems to me that the price of peace is very expensive and very few nations are willing to pay the price.

Why should the U.S. stay the course and continue to pay the price?

Because it's the only thing an advanced civilized society can do and continue to lead the world by example.

Communism died because people wanted what they want and we always want more than our neighbours have.

Communism was doomed to fail from the day Karl Marx signed his "Manifesto".

Russia is now a capitalist society and whether China admits it or not, they are too.

The U.S. was there when the Wall fell to welcome the Eastern Bloc to the "Brave New World".

Unfortunately we now have to deal with religion and as Marx himself said; "Religion is the opiate of the masses".

Take a look at a map of the world today and keep in the back of your minds all of the areas on the map that involve "Muslim Insurgents."

Every morning I wake up and open my browser to MSN.

Every morning I read about how many Americans died the day before.

I'm quite sure President Bush reads it before I do and I know that his pain is much greater than mine.

[johnbosh]

wow

[Gheenz]

The news has become worse and worse these past few weeks. It makes me sick to hear about what's going on in Iraq & sad to know those troops have all died in vein. After we pull out of Iraq, it will return to a shitty wasteland filled with civil war until another crazy fuck like Saddam comes to power...Then the US will go back in, take out the government, and occupy it at the cost of hundreds more American lives. An endless, bloody cycle we created (or should I say Bush created).

[jollyperv]

If you wanna make an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

[Ian]

Dear Milhouse:

The point is that this time we can't let them die in vain.

[Centurion]

Originally posted by Ian
Dear Milhouse:

The point is that this time we can't let them die in vain.

Pray tell..HOW do we do this then?
There is NO exit strategy in place.

[Roger]

Are you stupid or something? Oh and btw we're the commies now. We're the ones who're supposedly there to make them just like us.

[Roger]

Originally posted by Centurion
Pray tell..HOW do we do this then?
There is NO exit strategy in place.

They'll leave in 20 or so years, they can't leave now. The US would look bad and weak, especially to Kim Jong Il who's probably laughing his ass off.

No doubt in my mind that they'd have continued to other countries if they didn't experience trouble in Iraq.

[Gheenz]

Originally posted by Centurion


Pray tell..HOW do we do this then?
There is NO exit strategy in place.

Exactly. It's a no-win situation. Just like Vietnam. It's either look bad to the rest of the world or lose more American lives.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Its frustrating to watch thats for sure.
Somedays I wanna see the place just get waisted other times I think about the people there that actually want to have a strong country with laws unfettered by Dictatoral rule.

Some of them people want us there. Some don't.

Goin there may have been the wrong thing to do, but when you think about it all. America had to go there, we owe it to them people as the US has played a large part in thier history and done alot of damage before Saddam even.

So te element of Iraqi's that want us there which is said to be near 50/50 not exactly so are wanting our help to make thins right for a future.

Its late, to complex to think about.

[torrey]

Originally posted by Ian
Dear Milhouse:

The point is that this time we can't let them die in vain.

Not that Im a rebel rouser in any way, but for the first time in my life I feel a strong need for the people to protest the actions of the US gov. in any form possible.
I spent 5 years in the army, and have friends stationed in Iraq now. Ive heard their concerns with my own ears, and the main thing I hear is, "Fuck bro this aint like when we were at Ft.Sill, mother fuckers are getting wasted out here, and Im a nervous wreck" (but hell thats just combat). However, That feeling compounded with the fact that the sectors of the world seem to be turning their backs on the US, some of these soldiers are really beginning to wonder "Wheres the fucking weapons?, We came for weapons, and there are none" its absolutely terrifying.

B.W.Gryder SSgt. 1/22 Rangers.

[Gheenz]

I think so too. The administration just needs to swallow it's pride, bite the bullet, and pull all troops out & let the UN take care of it (even though 99% of the UN troops sent there will be American). The good thing about letting the UN take over, is it's not unilateral anymore and gives us an opportunity to re-focus our attention on the war on terror, while hopefully getting back a few allies.

[torrey]

Young people dieing for NO VIABLE CAUSE.

The reality of it all sets in when someone dies that you went through training with.

We never thought we would see these days, despite all the training.

The same guys who cried in the bunk next to you on the first few nights of Q-course.

The same guys who order pizza and pussy for friday night Barricks bashes "Whos on CQ??".

Many of you may not understand these terms, but the ones who do feel my pain.

We never thought we'd see these days.

[Scott McD]

Originally posted by milhouse_dick
After we pull out of Iraq, it will return to a shitty wasteland filled with civil war until another crazy fuck like Saddam comes to power..

Yep, seems like a fucking waste of the effort.

Pull out, and leave them to it i say. The fuckers don't want us there, so be it...

[Le Dieu des bonnes gens]

I have ERASED the semi philosophical BULLSHIT:




Why should the U.S. stay the course and continue to pay the price?
<b>Because YOU ASSSHITTERS STARTED IT, now DO Not EXPECT ANY SUPPORT, Get THE Fuck out, IT is not YOUR Country</b>

Every morning I wake up and open my browser to MSN.
Every morning I read about how many Americans died the day before.
I'm quite sure President Bush reads it before I do and I know that his pain is much greater than mine.
<b>Wake up, DREAMER, He rang ME Today TELLING Me he DOES NOT give a FUCK, but would BUY My Sig for $75,000</b>

[torrey]

Originally posted by Le Dieu des bonnes gens
I have ERASED the semi philosophical BULLSHIT:




Why should the U.S. stay the course and continue to pay the price?
<b>Because YOU ASSSHITTERS STARTED IT, now DO Not EXPECT ANY SUPPORT, Get THE Fuck out, IT is not YOUR Country</b>

Every morning I wake up and open my browser to MSN.
Every morning I read about how many Americans died the day before.
I'm quite sure President Bush reads it before I do and I know that his pain is much greater than mine.
<b>Wake up, DREAMER, He rang ME Today TELLING Me he DOES NOT give a FUCK, but would BUY My Sig for $75,000</b>

Not in this thread please.

[Paul Waters]

Can you say, "Oil"?

[DaLord]

Originally posted by torrey
Not in this thread please.

Well in this case he's right.

[Digipimp]

Originally posted by Ian
"148 battle deaths, 145 non battle deaths." = Gulf War #2.

Since the "War" ended now add about 600.

500 battle deaths, 100 non battle deaths.

It seems to me that the price of peace is very expensive and very few nations are willing to pay the price.

Why should the U.S. stay the course and continue to pay the price?

Because it's the only thing an advanced civilized society can do and continue to lead the world by example.

Communism died because people wanted what they want and we always want more than our neighbours have.

Communism was doomed to fail from the day Karl Marx signed his "Manifesto".

Russia is now a capitalist society and whether China admits it or not, they are too.

The U.S. was there when the Wall fell to welcome the Eastern Bloc to the "Brave New World".

Unfortunately we now have to deal with religion and as Marx himself said; "Religion is the opiate of the masses".

Take a look at a map of the world today and keep in the back of your minds all of the areas on the map that involve "Muslim Insurgents."

Every morning I wake up and open my browser to MSN.

Every morning I read about how many Americans died the day before.

I'm quite sure President Bush reads it before I do and I know that his pain is much greater than mine.

What are you smoking that makes you think that King George really gives a fuck? If he gave a fuck we wouldn't be in Iraq to start with securing an oil pipeline to Israel for his biz buddies and father.

[DR_PHIL]

add thousand more to that death toll...they never tell you the true numbers

[just a punk]

Originally posted by milhouse_dick
The news has become worse and worse these past few weeks. It makes me sick to hear about what's going on in Iraq & sad to know those troops have all died in vein. After we pull out of Iraq, it will return to a shitty wasteland filled with civil war until another crazy fuck like Saddam comes to power...Then the US will go back in, take out the government, and occupy it at the cost of hundreds more American lives. An endless, bloody cycle we created (or should I say Bush created).

Bush created it, not you! It's really good to know that most of intelligent US citizens have their own point of view in spite of strong political propaganda. The US people live under heavy information press similar to one in former USSR...

[just a punk]

Originally posted by jollyperv
If you wanna make an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.

Sure, but what kind of omelet Mr. Bush is going to make? Did you ever think on this simply question? Do you or your family need his omelet at all???

[Vic Lagina]

I see the U.S. pushing the timetable for the transfer of power and then getting the hell out. Yes they say they are keeping troops there for a few more years, but I don't see that happening for that long.

And what will ultimately happen is someone as bad or worse than Saddam (if that's possible) will take power.

The whole situation is one big disaster.

[Goose]

I dont know whether Bush can feel pain at all...

[Mikel]

Originally posted by Ian
"148 battle deaths, 145 non battle deaths." = Gulf War #2.

Since the "War" ended now add about 600.

500 battle deaths, 100 non battle deaths.

It seems to me that the price of peace is very expensive and very few nations are willing to pay the price.

Why should the U.S. stay the course and continue to pay the price?

Because it's the only thing an advanced civilized society can do and continue to lead the world by example.

Communism died because people wanted what they want and we always want more than our neighbours have.

Communism was doomed to fail from the day Karl Marx signed his "Manifesto".

Russia is now a capitalist society and whether China admits it or not, they are too.

The U.S. was there when the Wall fell to welcome the Eastern Bloc to the "Brave New World".

Unfortunately we now have to deal with religion and as Marx himself said; "Religion is the opiate of the masses".

Take a look at a map of the world today and keep in the back of your minds all of the areas on the map that involve "Muslim Insurgents."

Every morning I wake up and open my browser to MSN.

Every morning I read about how many Americans died the day before.

I'm quite sure President Bush reads it before I do and I know that his pain is much greater than mine.

In CNN we trust heheeh

[jimmyf]

Originally posted by milhouse_dick
I think so too. The administration just needs to swallow it's pride, bite the bullet, and pull all troops out & let the UN take care of it (even though 99% of the UN troops sent there will be American). The good thing about letting the UN take over, is it's not unilateral anymore and gives us an opportunity to re-focus our attention on the war on terror, while hopefully getting back a few allies.

The UN would turn tail and run, and that's a fact.

[slackologist]

The reality is there are profits to be had. War is big bucks. It's also an easy way to take billions from the tax payer and funnel it toward specific interests, companies and individuals.

The US is being bled dry in many ways.

Fighting terror with terror IS similar to fighting fire with fire. ( it can work - BUT it's damn unreliable and depending on which way the wind blows you may end up in a very bad place )

I'd like to see something more being done peacefully ( strongly address some of the causes for the hate - eg; palestine? regardless of political fallout ) to stop the cycle of matyrdom that exists as i think that could complement if not replace current methods of waging a 'war on terror'.

[Roger]

Originally posted by slackologist
I'd like to see something more being done peacefully ( strongly address some of the causes for the hate - eg; palestine? regardless of political fallout ) to stop the cycle of matyrdom that exists as i think that could complement if not replace current methods of waging a 'war on terror'.

We should get Israelis and Palestinians to make peace, if not, troops must be sent to maintain the independance of both countries. It's crystal clear that there failure to achieve peace is affecting us and the problem is spreading to many other countries. And secondly why not try and get Kuwait and Egypt, our so called big allies to make some changes? It's as if we don't even give a damn because they're allies. So many double standards. As others said, war means big money. I don't think they have any interest in peace.

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by Ian
"I'm quite sure President Bush reads it before I do and I know that his pain is much greater than mine.

Bush said he doesn't read newspaper ( print or electronic) .

That shouldn;t be a surprised to anyone....

[Roger]

Originally posted by directfiesta


Bush said he doesn't read newspaper ( print or electronic) .

That shouldn;t be a surprised to anyone....

As Laura Bush said, why should she waste her beautiful mind with stories about people getting killed?

[directfiesta]

[foe]

Originally posted by milhouse_dick
The news has become worse and worse these past few weeks. It makes me sick to hear about what's going on in Iraq & sad to know those troops have all died in vein. After we pull out of Iraq, it will return to a shitty wasteland filled with civil war until another crazy fuck like Saddam comes to power...Then the US will go back in, take out the government, and occupy it at the cost of hundreds more American lives. An endless, bloody cycle we created (or should I say Bush created).

I dont think they died in vain, I think they died protecting us from Muslim barbarians who would have attacked our country if not today then next year

[mule]

Originally posted by Ian
"148 battle deaths, 145 non battle deaths." = Gulf War #2.

Since the "War" ended now add about 600.

500 battle deaths, 100 non battle deaths.

It seems to me that the price of peace is very expensive and very few nations are willing to pay the price.

Why should the U.S. stay the course and continue to pay the price?

Because it's the only thing an advanced civilized society can do and continue to lead the world by example.

Communism died because people wanted what they want and we always want more than our neighbours have.

Communism was doomed to fail from the day Karl Marx signed his "Manifesto".

Russia is now a capitalist society and whether China admits it or not, they are too.

The U.S. was there when the Wall fell to welcome the Eastern Bloc to the "Brave New World".

Unfortunately we now have to deal with religion and as Marx himself said; "Religion is the opiate of the masses".

Take a look at a map of the world today and keep in the back of your minds all of the areas on the map that involve "Muslim Insurgents."

Every morning I wake up and open my browser to MSN.

Every morning I read about how many Americans died the day before.

I'm quite sure President Bush reads it before I do and I know that his pain is much greater than mine.

Dude, you can NOT be serious

[foe]

Originally posted by Roger


We should get Israelis and Palestinians to make peace, if not, troops must be sent to maintain the independance of both countries. It's crystal clear that there failure to achieve peace is affecting us and the problem is spreading to many other countries. And secondly why not try and get Kuwait and Egypt, our so called big allies to make some changes? It's as if we don't even give a damn because they're allies. So many double standards. As others said, war means big money. I don't think they have any interest in peace.

Once the wall will be built I think there will be peace because terrorists will realize they cant attack innocent people easily anymore

[Ian]

"Dude, you can NOT be serious"

Let's put it this way:

I don't wake up in the morning and read about Presbyterian terrorists blowing up railways in Spain.

It's definitely a dilemna and it's worth hearing people's views on the subject.

[Roger]

Originally posted by foe
Once the wall will be built I think there will be peace because terrorists will realize they cant attack innocent people easily anymore

I'm saying that the problem is spreading everywhere all around the world and you're here telling me that the wall is gonna stop the problem? I'm sure it will

[Roger]

Originally posted by foe
I dont think they died in vain, I think they died protecting us from Muslim barbarians who would have attacked our country if not today then next year

I think you're the barbarian. You have no idea that those who attacked on 911 where Saudis do you?

[mule]

Originally posted by Ian
I don't wake up in the morning and read about Presbyterian terrorists blowing up railways in Spain.

Hmm, you do read about catholics blowing up things in Ireland, though. Presbyterians aren't fundamentalists. Muslims aren't the problem, muslim fundamentalists are the problem.

[Webasic]

Originally posted by Roger


They'll leave in 20 or so years, they can't leave now. The US would look bad

little late for that.

[Cyborg 2.0]

Originally posted by Ian
I'm quite sure President Bush reads it before I do and I know that his pain is much greater than mine.

LooL who are u kidding he couldn't care less... he will get millions for this and he revenged for his father!

[Ian]

Maybe i've been watching "The West Wing" too much.

[Rochard]

Originally posted by Roger


I think you're the barbarian. You have no idea that those who attacked on 911 where Saudis do you?

Interesting comment. Here's a country that does nothing but bred comtempt for the United States while pretending to be our friends.

Why haven't we taken them out yet?

[directfiesta]

Originally posted by RocHard


Interesting comment. Here's a country that does nothing but bred comtempt for the United States while pretending to be our friends.

Why haven't we taken them out yet?

$$$$$$$

[Rich]

Originally posted by Ian
I'm quite sure President Bush reads it before I do and I know that his pain is much greater than mine.

lol, keep believing that if it helps you sleep. You think Bush cares about the 15,000+ dead? No, obviously he doesn't, or he'd be at the funerals of soldiers, and he'd let them show the bodies coming back from Iraq on TV. He cars about his family and his friends the Saudi's controlling the world, period. It's not complicated to figure that out if you take the blinders off.

[Rich]

Originally posted by foe


I dont think they died in vain, I think they died protecting us from Muslim barbarians who would have attacked our country if not today then next year

Are you seriously that delusional? You think Iraq would have attacked America?

What do you base that on, besides extremist talk show propaganda???

[just a punk]

Originally posted by Cyborg 2.0
LooL who are u kidding he couldn't care less... he will get millions for this and he revenged for his father!

600+ dead US soldiers and 15,000 killed Iraqi citizens... Don't you think it's a good price for George's father (who is still alive and feel fine)?

[slackologist]

Originally posted by directfiesta

[pimplink]

Peace, such an easy word to say but
the price is never right in obtaining it.