believe it or not and what i ahvent even mentioned upto this poiunt is that i talked to the guy and i am giving him another chance

i am willing to work anything out with anyone if they communicate with me, and he did...

100 idiot affiliates

101 :1orglaugh

just let him keep on sending his sales.. make cash and dont pay him..

it doesnt seem like payment would be an issue. How many people did he get to actually goto your sites?

how many isnt the point.. but for the record it was only 1 sale 42 hits or something

its the methode he was using todo it... i wish ppl would read threads in thier entirety before replying

Epic would have to prove he intended the sign up to cancel instead of pointing out how easy it was.

With Epic using "Free Porn" to sell their site they are going to have to point out that making the cancellation process easy and visible is part of their strategy. Unless they intend to get the surfer to sign up and hide the cancellation process.

IMHO
The problem is this program is run by someone who acts first and thinks second, I know because I do it as well. Then without any more thought comes here and screams about it. When shown another view point he continues to rant. Troy just pray this guy does not know a lawyer.

if he's urging his surfers to cancel, do you think more than 40% of the trials will convert to full memberships?

To true, except he's sitting in his bedroom.
:1orglaugh

<b>By way of example, and not limitation</b>

That means it's not only limited to that scenario. That specific scenario is only given as an example.

<b>"However, in addition to any other reason for termination set forth elsewhere herein, Epic Cash may terminate the license grated herein at any time, with or without cause" </b>

That line means he can cancel the affiliate's account whenever he wants, with or without reason.

If I recall correctly, you recently cancelled all your affiliates' accounts simply because one or two were found to be cheating.

how did you know?

Why, because I point out what is plainly visible?

It seems I'm getting to you.

53, married to a 26 year old, lots of money and I get to see naked girls for a job. Now does that sound sad, old and bitter?

actually it sounds sickning. you are a perverted old man with tendencies to like girls of a very young age way out of your league

you do not have a whole lot of money either... not that it matters nor did i ever bring that up

you just bug me.. no biggie, because you will be dead in a few years.. so its all good


keep up the good fight old man... even though failure is enevitable, i admire your dediciation to idiocy

I forgot to also mention that Epic are paying Acacia.

With spineless or broke paysite owners around it does make the Acacia fight that bit harder.

I think you should concentrate on making Epic look good.

Remember you brought Acacia into this thread. :321GFY

you think it bothers me one bit that i settled with acacia?

i am running a business not a campaign for president. i tell it straight and i do not sugar coat anything. if you like it or dont like it, i dont care.. its all out on the table. thats alot more than i can say for 70% of the programs out there today.

you are a complete moron.

After reading some more.... I never did care who pimpdog was, but this thread gave me a strong impression that he is a complete moron.

2 pimpdog - do not bother answering me. I'M NOhahahaha. But I don't give a shit how big your penis is or how much money you make with your program. You are qualified as a moron, from what I can see in this thread, disregarding to was that guy right or wrong.


As for the fact that the guy seems to be running this big and successful program - I remember morons who made millions when they got in proper place at proper time, but later they lost everything...

You can vote for it, but as I said, just pray he does not go to a lawyer.

Mind you the lawyer may take one look at Epic and decide they are not worth suing.

Epic do not elect to approve webmasters pages, therefore they have to specifically say what is allowed and what is not. If Epic use "FREE PORN" as a gimmick, then they cannot blame a webmaster for doing the same. Troy is gambling on what a judge would decide or hoping it does not get that far.

For the couple of hundred dollars it would cost to pay out and cancel or educate the webmaster, he put his company at risk. Now tell me that was a wise move.

thanks for your imput.. you have changed my life.

lol

"Epic Cash reserves the right not to pay if more than 40% of trials do not convert to full membership"

Charly, what does that sentence mean to you? Do you think that this guy is converting trials to memberships at higher than 40% with his tactics? I'd be surprised.

By the way, if you had bothered to read all the thread, you'd have seen this part as well:

"believe it or not and what i ahvent even mentioned upto this poiunt is that i talked to the guy and i am giving him another chance

i am willing to work anything out with anyone if they communicate with me, and he did..."

I also paid out on all of them, even the cheaters and will continue to pay out on on all the sign ups prior to my cancelling the program.

So I'm well aware of the problem and know it is only a few who are bad apples. I also plan to open paysites soon and am very reluctant to allow strangers to send me traffic in the hope of converting it. But if I do I hope I can be a bit more business like than some.

And once you open your affiliate program for your paysites, will you subsequently shut it down as soon as someone cheats you?

So how come my first wife was my age and my second wife older than me?

What is a lot of money to you?

Thank you I will enjoy the little time I have. :1orglaugh

Balh Blah Balh Blah Balh Blah Blah Blah Blah

No I did not read the whole thread, it's moving so fast it's impossible. But I did read this.

It does not mention anything about talking to the guy and giving him a second chance. My mistake or Troy changing course?

As I said I will be very reluctant to go that route, I can employ guys here to do it all month long for $400. Plus I have a few webmaster clients who we have known a long time that will promote us.

But I will pay people out if they do not break the rules, which will be specific, and I will pay out on all joins that do not later charge back. Maybe hold the money three months on a cancelled webmaster.

The rule this guy broke was too vague in my opinion and the clause that says Epic can cancel anyone anytime is not something I would use.

Maybe a content provider should put it into his license with Epic, that the license can be terminated whenever the content provider feels like it. Would that be acceptable?

you remind me of an old woman in the grocery store taking 30 minutes to decide what brand of canned corn you want to buy

you are going nowhere fast.

WTF is that about?

I'm not developing my business? I just reurned from London with an empty case, it was full of sets when I went. Sold 24 sets and not at $35. :1orglaugh

We have two stores going for the two types of content/license, Both with new designs and facilities, we are opening a third for videos.

We are opening a Plug In Lease Gallery this year, was put back last year for the new designs.

We plan to open paysites this year.

Going nowhere fast?

Or did you mean this thread?

Thanks for the opportunity to plug ourselves.

what?

har nice domain.

what he said!!

Well, doggpimp never said anything about the conversions not being good enough. And if they ended up not being, then ok. But unless the guy changed the site before i saw it, there wasnt any "urging" of the surfers to cancel. Simply telling them that they can or that its not difficult is the same as urging them to do so? As i stated before, i can see why the guy should tone down that kind of thing. He did also say "enjoy your free porn" which in combination does amount to suggestion. But still, i didnt see any urging.
Anyway, evidently doggpimp is taking the course of allowing the guy to change things, which is the proper way. My faith in epic cash is restored! Well, sort of.