Do unborns have rights?

what you want to have rights to, and what you should have rights to are 2 different things.

Once its concieved its a developing human being. It is alive and growing. It has its rights.

So does the mother.

And I say a fully developed adult human being has more rights than that of a three month old fetus.

So what you are saying that rape is okay and a female doesn't have the right to say no to the offense?

Fully developed adult human also has more rights than a 1 year old baby. So, by your logic a mother should be able to kill her 1 year old if she doesn't want it anymore.

IMO abortion or any other action you choose to perform on your body should be anyones right, but obviously with a few conditions. In terms of rights, I feel rights given to the unborn in the later stages of pregnancy is fair and moral.

how the hell does my response condone rape ?!?!?!?

Im saying the baby has rights, just like you do. Your rights were already violated during the rape. That doesnt give you the right to violate the babies rights and take away its life.

They have the same rights. They are both Human beings. Does a 2 yr old have less rights then an adult ? Same thing.

2 year old doesn't have the right to vote or drink, that's what I was getting at. The right to life is equal however.

acts done to you own body is one thing, acts done to another persons body is another. just because it isnt fully developed it doesnt mean its not a human being.

From the time of conception, the baby
has already the right to live.
No matter what way he was conceived,
he has the right to live just like everyone else.

oh ok

Exactly


You may not like how it was concieved, but life sucks sometimes.

It doesnt mean your stuck with a constant reminder for the rest of your life... There is always adoption

First off I'd like to know how many of you have had to endure the decision making process of having one of your "children to be" aborted and ripped apart by a fucking suction device?

How many of you have watched the procedure closeup?

Anyone who hasn't shouldn't say crap here.

Let me say if it happens to you, as a man, you have zero say in the matter. Its hard to express what that feels like, but its excrutiating. Someone else gets to decide whether or not your child will be born or killed. It is an unimaginable pain you will never forget your entire life.

I've had to deal with it several times and I was always careful, but the pill and other devices don't always work as claimed or the girl fucks up.

I block the abortions I had to deal with out of my mind. Now that I have a son, its even harder to think I could have had more wonderful children, but the women who I got pregnant got to have the final say against my wishes.

So you guys that say its just an embryo, its just a couple weeks old fucking don't know what its like if you are against abortion like I am to have it forced upon you by your women.


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Youre entitled to your opinion, and Im sure you enforce that opinion on you and yours. But you just can not expect everyone to agree. Chick that started the thread has a viable point.

how can the "right to life" be equal if the fetus can't actually "live" without the mother? during the first trimester the embryo is more like a parasitic organism than a life.

It's a grey and complex issue no matter how simplistic you'd like it to be.

I'm against abortions where the child could be born alive unless, of course, there is a threat to the life of the mother.

A three month old fetus cannot survive outside of the womb.

The day it can by being grown outside of the womb, I'll be against abortions in the first trimester.

Until then, it's a necessary evil.

Those pics sure look like a human being to me !

The problem is people dont see whats in there. They dont realize it really is a human life that they are ending.

I've watched a friend of mine have 2 of his gf's get abortions. Makes me sick even thinging about it. I can only imagine how bad it must have been for KRL wanting to have the child, but having no rights at all

That is truely sad.

I have and I still think first-trimester abortion should be safe and legal.

Really? Can a doctor or the rapist take care of a first trimister fetus? If so I am sure a lot of women would take that avenue rather than abortion because of rape.

ok the latest arguement is that it cannot live outside the womb.

now if a mother doesnt feed and care for her child, will it survive outside the womb ? no.

To me its the same thing, just a different way of feeding and caring. The mother's body takes care of those functions. Then as it continues to grow, it will eventually outgrow the initial environment and have to be cared for by the mother outside the womb.

No, that's not the latest argument, it's ALWAYS been the argument.

Stole that pic from Chernobyl girl, (awesome article BTW).

Get her away from the half way house. Give the child up for adoption.

every children, already born or yet to be born,
have all the rights in the world to live.

and with that I go to bed... night all

That's your opinion.

Hey KRL, Did you even read the post? Guess you are saying it is okay for a rapist to impregnate women and give women no choice

Unfortunately you are potentially a victim of the New Right and the machinations of the Catholic Church to gain political influence in the US. It is not a coincidence that the most intensive state suppression of abortion in modern times occurred in Nazi Germany.

In the early 70's, Richard Viguerie and the other right-wing Catholic ideologues picked abortion as the one political issue that could bridge the traditional antagonism between Protestant fundamentalists and Catholic conservatives. Linking together alarms about terrorism, drugs, AIDS, aliens, black youth, lack of patriotism and rock music in a "seamless garment" (a concept further popularized by Cardinal Joseph Bernardin in the 80's) with abortion, they soon had "good old boys" from the South rubbing shoulders with the very Catholics they used to bait, in a new joint crusade for God and country.

In 1975, Roy White, then executive director of the National Right to Life Committee asserted that "The only reason we have a pro-life movement in this country is because of the Catholic Church." With funding from the Catholic church, NCHLA organizers rapidly created well-organized right-to-life PACs in almost half of the country's congressional districts. And developed from there.

However sincerely held are the beliefs of those involved, abortion was and remains just one issue in a much wider campaign to break down the separation of church and state, to enforce support by taxpayers of the Catholic school system, and to achieve the election of (obedient to the Vatican) Catholics to Congress and state legislatures. Although the Moral Majority and other fundamentalist groups are perceived by much of the public as the moving force behind the anti-abortion lobby, their numbers and influence remain relatively very small.

It is unfortunate that those who do oppose abortion can only do so by helping to further this agenda. Sadder still that most are not aware how they are being manipulated. And although George Bush is not himself Catholic, ever since he took such a large percentage of the observant Catholic vote at the last election, he has been actively campaigning to increase his appeal among them. And it is working: attendees of the inaugural meeting of the National Catholic Register were told to "encourage team leaders to introduce Mass-attending Catholics to the Republican Party."

I support the womans right to choose all the way.

I cannot believe how hypocritical the US deals with this. One one hand you were one of the first toallow embryo cell science which in return would be the first step of life and therefore would have rights. Guess its ok for science to do research and kill millions of those cells but it it is in a woman all hell breaks loose if she chooses to get an abortion.

There are very valid reasons for an abortion. If the baby will be handicaped (late abortion), the woman was raped (early abortion), the womans life is in danger and I can think of more reasons.