I'm not only talking about whores and poor people, I'm talking about parents that DON'T WANT CHILDREN THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO HAVE, if you can't understand why thats a bad thing then you have issues. There are masses of upper middle class children taking drugs because their parents aren't around or don't show them enough affection.. like a lawyer who misses out on a promotion because she is forced to have a kid she wants vacuumed is going to be a better parent than a whore that doesn't want one??? If you don't understand that, then too bad for you.
We have enough bad parents, abortion is one of the ONLY ways we have right now of keeping that ratio down. And I'm not saying all mothers that would prefer to have abortions would turn out to be bad mothers either, only I trust them to know that themselves, and if they choose abortion then thats a telling sign.

not that this argument has anything to do with late term abortions btw.

You're completely right. We shouldn't stop at abortions though. For those that didn't get an abortion in time lets kill the kid when they're born. After all, their parents didn't want them to start with.

Hell, your kid more than you expected and you don't want them who cares how old they are. Quick bullet in the head and your "little problem" is solved.

Hell yeah man, you are 100% correct.

the fact that you have to be hyperbolic to make a point shows you don't have an argument.

Yeah comparing a living breathing baby to a sqirt of strawberry jam that is a potential human is valid... in insane land. nice try though.

Right. The fact that you think parents should be able to KILL a kid that's in their body when they don't want it but don't see how that's the same as killing them after birth tells me I don't want to argue with you anyhow.

Edit: That and you used both "supercilious" and "hyperbolic" to make your point. I just can't hang with that.

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no i think a parent has the right to get rid of an embryo during the first trimester. sorry but that aint a kid.. as KRL said - it's the "beginning" of a human. it's potential kid. I'm against 3rd trimester abortion as much as the next guy. You've had you chance for choice by then, it can survive on it's own. First term though? completely different story.

A fetus is not a person, especially very early on when there is zero chance it could survive outside of the womb.

On this one I am with bhutocracy. I am generally against third trimester abortions because they baby could be born and survive. Unless, of course, there is a serious threat to the life of the mother.

im sorry, killing a baby in it's cot is the same as squeezing out a miscarriage in the toilet? yeah, you weren't engaging any sort of hyperbole at all... lol. If you don't want me pointing out how stupid your point was and using the correct language for it, don't make stupid over the top points.

Welcome to the wonderful world of political correctness. Let's just give up using even the tiny portion of our brains that we do still occasionally exercise.

What does your statement have to do with anything? It's true, but so what? You are so keen on facts, are you telling us that there is already awareness, consciousness or whatever you want to call it at the moment of conception? If not, then by what right do you take control of the life of a person who is sentient?

I can respect someone who is consistent in their views about the value of human life. But what are most of the "right to life" people trying to do about the annual slaughter on our roads? How many of them are sending money to Africa to stop thousands of children dying of hunger every year? Why aren't they out in front of the White House each time we plan to embark on another military adventure that may kill thousands, even millions?

This is an emotive issue fronting for an entirely different agenda and it should have no place among the laws of this country.

egg & sperm hook up and form embryo

embryo grows into a human being

if its growing, then its alive.

if its alive it has rights.

you kill it, your a murderer :321GFY

The days embryos and fetuses can be grown and saved if this day this argument gets a whole lot more pleasant. Get the little buggers vacuumed out and transplanted into tanks like ugly goldfish and have adoptive parents finance the growth through to final term.
Until that day abortion will remain a necessary evil as it always has been and always will be regardless of the law.

so does "clumpy" at 1 month have more right to life than the fully grown and living cow that 90% of people here ate last week?
are you a murderer for killing any living thing?

its growing into a fully developed human being, it has all the rights of a human being. Its just at an earlier stage of development.

cows are cows... no rights for them, their food.

Not in some cultures. Just because your culture has no respect for animals and other living things it doesn't mean they don't have or at the very least deserve some rights.

Are you saying animals don't have a right to be protected from gross negligence and cruelty?

First off I'd like to know how many of you have had to endure the decision making process of having one of your "children to be" aborted and ripped apart by a fucking suction device?

How many of you have watched the procedure closeup?

Anyone who hasn't shouldn't say crap here.

Let me say if it happens to you, as a man, you have zero say in the matter. Its hard to express what that feels like, but its excrutiating. Someone else gets to decide whether or not your child will be born or killed. It is an unimaginable pain you will never forget your entire life.

I've had to deal with it several times and I was always careful, but the pill and other devices don't always work as claimed or the girl fucks up.

I block the abortions I had to deal with out of my mind. Now that I have a son, its even harder to think I could have had more wonderful children, but the women who I got pregnant got to have the final say against my wishes.

So you guys that say its just an embryo, its just a couple weeks old fucking don't know what its like if you are against abortion like I am to have it forced upon you by your women.


8 weeks old

http://www.catholic-forum.com/church...ig10legs8r.jpg

12 weeks old

http://www.catholic-forum.com/church...g06hand12r.jpg

16 weeks old

http://www.catholic-forum.com/church...4face4mosr.jpg

Our culture also says that aborting any potential human being is wrong and should be illegal. So respect our culture hippie and shut the fuck up already. Oh, that's right. You have to respect religion's and cultures, but noone has to respect Christian views or Western culture. Sorry, I forgot the hippie thing goes one way.

Yup. You got that right.

You killed the thread KRL. Never experienced it but there would have to be some extreme circumstances for me to agree with it.

http://pornslinga.com/entropybanner/russia2krl.jpg
image taken from Chernobyl Girl (awesome Read).

torrey, you are an idiot.

Fuck you very much. :)

No, it doesn't.

That's the view of a religious minority and doesn't reflect the views of the average Australian.

Tell me, have you ever actually been out of the country?

We all got the right to live. Give those
little angels the chance to live their life.

Ugh pro-lifers would actually get the majority of support if they werent' so fucking nazi...

Wrong again. But don't worry, it is typical of extreme left-wingers to always think that their opinion is wide spread. If you went around and asked enough people (true democracy really) I believe you would find that a fair majority would support the stopping of most abortions. Just as Johnny Howard pulled the mandatory detention thing last election (I am sure something that you thought would astound *most* Australians) I am sure if he pulled an abortion gimmick this time alot of working Australia would stand up and be counted for.

Also, I have been around Europe, but I have not travelled too much. I am still young, but I did spend a fair amount of time in Germany just last year visiting relatives. Also visited a few other countries while I was there (edit: also visited bali and fiji on some short holidays the year before last). Don't get me wrong though, I accept that there may be circumstances in which an abortion may be necessary. But this *liberal* attitude towards it is totally sickening.