egg & sperm hook up and form embryo

embryo grows into a human being

if its growing, then its alive.

if its alive it has rights.

you kill it, your a murderer :321GFY

The days embryos and fetuses can be grown and saved if this day this argument gets a whole lot more pleasant. Get the little buggers vacuumed out and transplanted into tanks like ugly goldfish and have adoptive parents finance the growth through to final term.
Until that day abortion will remain a necessary evil as it always has been and always will be regardless of the law.

so does "clumpy" at 1 month have more right to life than the fully grown and living cow that 90% of people here ate last week?
are you a murderer for killing any living thing?

its growing into a fully developed human being, it has all the rights of a human being. Its just at an earlier stage of development.

cows are cows... no rights for them, their food.

Not in some cultures. Just because your culture has no respect for animals and other living things it doesn't mean they don't have or at the very least deserve some rights.

Are you saying animals don't have a right to be protected from gross negligence and cruelty?

First off I'd like to know how many of you have had to endure the decision making process of having one of your "children to be" aborted and ripped apart by a fucking suction device?

How many of you have watched the procedure closeup?

Anyone who hasn't shouldn't say crap here.

Let me say if it happens to you, as a man, you have zero say in the matter. Its hard to express what that feels like, but its excrutiating. Someone else gets to decide whether or not your child will be born or killed. It is an unimaginable pain you will never forget your entire life.

I've had to deal with it several times and I was always careful, but the pill and other devices don't always work as claimed or the girl fucks up.

I block the abortions I had to deal with out of my mind. Now that I have a son, its even harder to think I could have had more wonderful children, but the women who I got pregnant got to have the final say against my wishes.

So you guys that say its just an embryo, its just a couple weeks old fucking don't know what its like if you are against abortion like I am to have it forced upon you by your women.


8 weeks old

http://www.catholic-forum.com/church...ig10legs8r.jpg

12 weeks old

http://www.catholic-forum.com/church...g06hand12r.jpg

16 weeks old

http://www.catholic-forum.com/church...4face4mosr.jpg

Our culture also says that aborting any potential human being is wrong and should be illegal. So respect our culture hippie and shut the fuck up already. Oh, that's right. You have to respect religion's and cultures, but noone has to respect Christian views or Western culture. Sorry, I forgot the hippie thing goes one way.

Yup. You got that right.

You killed the thread KRL. Never experienced it but there would have to be some extreme circumstances for me to agree with it.

http://pornslinga.com/entropybanner/russia2krl.jpg
image taken from Chernobyl Girl (awesome Read).

torrey, you are an idiot.

Fuck you very much. :)

No, it doesn't.

That's the view of a religious minority and doesn't reflect the views of the average Australian.

Tell me, have you ever actually been out of the country?

We all got the right to live. Give those
little angels the chance to live their life.

Ugh pro-lifers would actually get the majority of support if they werent' so fucking nazi...

Wrong again. But don't worry, it is typical of extreme left-wingers to always think that their opinion is wide spread. If you went around and asked enough people (true democracy really) I believe you would find that a fair majority would support the stopping of most abortions. Just as Johnny Howard pulled the mandatory detention thing last election (I am sure something that you thought would astound *most* Australians) I am sure if he pulled an abortion gimmick this time alot of working Australia would stand up and be counted for.

Also, I have been around Europe, but I have not travelled too much. I am still young, but I did spend a fair amount of time in Germany just last year visiting relatives. Also visited a few other countries while I was there (edit: also visited bali and fiji on some short holidays the year before last). Don't get me wrong though, I accept that there may be circumstances in which an abortion may be necessary. But this *liberal* attitude towards it is totally sickening.