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Gallery submitters, you're digging your own grave

03-31-2004, 09:42 AM

I've been reading the thread about the new "dreamsubmitter" with its "image reading" feature that will let you autosubmit to sites that have a validation code that needs to be typed into the box in order to submit.

Did any of you ever stop to think that the reason the TGP owner put that image there is because they DON'T WANT YOUR AUTOSUBMITS???

The TGP game has been gradually moving to partner accounts/paid listings and things like this will just expedite that process.
It started with Russian Submitter and its been downhill since then.

Those of you who use a product that has features designed to break a TGP's rules are digging your own grave. A LOT of you are in for a rude awakening when you wake up one morning and find out you can't get 2 hits from anywhere without paying for them.

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03-31-2004, 09:44 AM

amen... people should respect the rules of a website...
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03-31-2004, 09:45 AM

Originally posted by dunefield
amen... people should respect the rules of a website...

Yeap, if you bite the hand that feeds you don't be surprised if you end up going hungry.

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03-31-2004, 09:45 AM

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03-31-2004, 09:45 AM

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03-31-2004, 09:46 AM

I didn't know dreamsubmitter did that....People always want to fuck with the system.

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03-31-2004, 09:47 AM

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03-31-2004, 09:49 AM

I'll go ahead and agree, and say that it is a very VERY bad idea to try to circumvent the controls in place that are there to prevent autosubmissions.....

But I know that there are a pile of fucking worthless tools out there that will ignore this advice and go ahead with their cheating shit anyways.

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03-31-2004, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2
I've been reading the thread about the new "dreamsubmitter" with its "image reading" feature that will let you autosubmit to sites that have a validation code that needs to be typed into the box in order to submit.

Did any of you ever stop to think that the reason the TGP owner put that image there is because they DON'T WANT YOUR AUTOSUBMITS???

The TGP game has been gradually moving to partner accounts/paid listings and things like this will just expedite that process.
It started with Russian Submitter and its been downhill since then.

Those of you who use a product that has features designed to break a TGP's rules are digging your own grave. A LOT of you are in for a rude awakening when you wake up one morning and find out you can't get 2 hits from anywhere without paying for them.

Damn well said and I couldn't agree with you more.

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03-31-2004, 09:51 AM

When I first started doing galleries, I could hand submit to 50 TGP's and get 200K uniques a day.
Nowadays you're lucky to get 1/4th of that from submitting to 500 sites.

It isn't because there's less TGP traffic, there's a lot more of it now than there was then. The problem is the TGP's are flooded with thousands of crap submissions from webmasters breaking the rules because they have software that facilitates that.

I don't think its a coincidence that most search engines went to paid inclusion after the market was flooded with scripts that were designed to build sites with no content and stuffed with keywords to manipulate the SERP's.

Get ready for most (if not all) TGP's to do the same thing.

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03-31-2004, 09:53 AM

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03-31-2004, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2

I don't think its a coincidence that most search engines went to paid inclusion after the market was flooded with scripts that were designed to build sites with no content and stuffed with keywords to manipulate the SERP's.

Wrong.
They went to pay inclusion because they are greedy fucks.
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03-31-2004, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2
When I first started doing galleries, I could hand submit to 50 TGP's and get 200K uniques a day.
Nowadays you're lucky to get 1/4th of that from submitting to 500 sites.

It isn't because there's less TGP traffic, there's a lot more of it now than there was then. The problem is the TGP's are flooded with thousands of crap submissions from webmasters breaking the rules because they have software that facilitates that.

I don't think its a coincidence that most search engines went to paid inclusion after the market was flooded with scripts that were designed to build sites with no content and stuffed with keywords to manipulate the SERP's.

Get ready for most (if not all) TGP's to do the same thing.

I agree,

I get frustrated with cheaters. By the time I blacklist and reject them I'm already frustrated and mistakely reject a good gallery. I'm slowly swtiching to partner submits and it's going well. I will soon have partner submits on all my tgps before the year is over.

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03-31-2004, 09:58 AM

The image validation code that many TGP's have implemented is pure bullshit. They've gone totally overboard with it.

Codes like "Lm7U4aW" are overkill and a huge waste of submitters time. Typing out simple words like "house" would be sooooo much easier on the submitter and work just as well.
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03-31-2004, 09:59 AM

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03-31-2004, 10:02 AM

Originally posted by Matt 26z
The image validation code that many TGP's have implemented is pure bullshit. They've gone totally overboard with it.

Codes like "Lm7U4aW" are overkill and a huge waste of submitters time. Typing out simple words like "house" would be sooooo much easier on the submitter and work just as well.

Learn to type more than 6 words per minute and you won't mind that as much.

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03-31-2004, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
don't bite the hand that feeds you

The same could actually be said to TGP's by gallery submitters.

I know there's a lot of hosted galleries available, but they can't replace the unique variety of content and design that webmaster submissions bring.
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03-31-2004, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by Matt 26z
The image validation code that many TGP's have implemented is pure bullshit. They've gone totally overboard with it.

Codes like "Lm7U4aW" are overkill and a huge waste of submitters time. Typing out simple words like "house" would be sooooo much easier on the submitter and work just as well.

Is the free traffic they send you bullshit as well?

If the traffic they send you isn't worth the few seconds it takes to type in that code, then don't submit there anymore.

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03-31-2004, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

The same could actually be said to TGP's by gallery submitters.

I know there's a lot of hosted galleries available, but they can't replace the unique variety of content and design that webmaster submissions bring.

There was a day when that was true, but its not so anymore.

With hosted galleries, paid listings, and paid partner accounts a TGP can get all the galleries it would ever need.
Maybe, (BIG MAYBE) they'd lose some traffic by not taking public submissions anymore, but with the ridiculous amount of crap they get flooded with I'm not sure it would be worth the headache.

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03-31-2004, 10:15 AM

Originally posted by dunefield
amen... people should respect the rules of a website...

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03-31-2004, 10:18 AM

Until then I'll still use autosubmitters. It doesn't pay to manually submit nowadays. If I have to pay TGP's a small amount to get good traffic that converts, I have no problem with that. Of course they'd have to get rid of most of the stupid rules they have.
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03-31-2004, 10:20 AM

Haha, only a few more months and EVERY TGP is hosted galleries only

Bye bye gallery submitters, good luck at MacDonalds and BK!

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03-31-2004, 10:20 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2
I've been reading the thread about the new "dreamsubmitter" with its "image reading" feature that will let you autosubmit to sites that have a validation code that needs to be typed into the box in order to submit.

Did any of you ever stop to think that the reason the TGP owner put that image there is because they DON'T WANT YOUR AUTOSUBMITS???

The TGP game has been gradually moving to partner accounts/paid listings and things like this will just expedite that process.
It started with Russian Submitter and its been downhill since then.

Those of you who use a product that has features designed to break a TGP's rules are digging your own grave. A LOT of you are in for a rude awakening when you wake up one morning and find out you can't get 2 hits from anywhere without paying for them.

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03-31-2004, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Mike-BP
Haha, only a few more months and EVERY TGP is hosted galleries only

Bye bye gallery submitters, good luck at MacDonalds and BK!

Yeah right.
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03-31-2004, 10:25 AM

Hey Lenny great post your 100% right.
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03-31-2004, 10:26 AM

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03-31-2004, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Mike-BP
Haha, only a few more months and EVERY TGP is hosted galleries only

Bye bye gallery submitters, good luck at MacDonalds and BK!

Doubt it,
There are thousands of TGPs - if everyone start using same hosted galleries, surfers wont like it and they'll move to TGPs that still list original content.
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03-31-2004, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by Mike-BP
Haha, only a few more months and EVERY TGP is hosted galleries only

Bye bye gallery submitters, good luck at MacDonalds and BK!

I'm curious if anyone else shares this view? That's an ominous prediction for many.
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03-31-2004, 10:30 AM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

The same could actually be said to TGP's by gallery submitters.

I know there's a lot of hosted galleries available, but they can't replace the unique variety of content and design that webmaster submissions bring.

Lenny already replied this and it's something I have said before. Through time what we call free gallery submitter will be gone.
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03-31-2004, 10:31 AM

This Lenny guy knows what he is talking about..
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03-31-2004, 10:32 AM

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03-31-2004, 10:32 AM

How many people actually make good money off paid listings?

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03-31-2004, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2
If the traffic they send you isn't worth the few seconds it takes to type in that code, then don't submit there anymore.

It IS possible to make a submission process that protects the TGP AND keeps the submitter in mind. My submission process is a total breeze for submitters, and I have almost NO cheaters get through to my review stage.

This isn't about TGP's laying back on rules and making it harder on themselves. It's about being a little more smart when doing the submit page and the scripts so you protect yourself while at the same time making it easy on submitters.

The state of the typical TGP submission process is what is directly responsable for the increase in cheaters.
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03-31-2004, 10:38 AM

yea I'm getting so sick of morons that can't read rules.. I used to get over 150- 200 submits a day to one of my sites.. 80% were auto submits that couldn't even get the category right..

When I changed TGP scripts I didn't update the sbmitters data base as a resualt I get a lot less submits but better quality. The only guys submitting now, are people that have visted the site atleast once to get the new submit url.

So now about 80% are in the right categories but as the others start finding the new submit page, so it's getting worse again. Between morons and browser highjacking assholes.. it makes me want to go to just use my own galleries and partners.. but I hate to do it..

an example of a moron... I get an e-mail from someone asking why he is banned claiming he's never submitted before yet he is banned.. He linked to the gallery in his mail... It was about a 200 lb 30 year old chick dressed in a cheerleaders outfit.. I'm like WTF did you even look at the site? It's Teens only..

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03-31-2004, 10:43 AM

I agree to Lenny.
I'm totaly against auto-anything..

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03-31-2004, 10:49 AM

You know why autosubmitter were invented?

I'll fucking tell you why:

Rules:

Descriptions lenght between 10-14 charac, 10-16, 12-15, 13-18, 14-20, 15-22, 16-20, 17-25, 18-31..............30-55

Have a look at some gals on my site and choose the right niche or you're fucking banned

No more than 2 outside links! Including recips.

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And many other stupid rules that pissed off submitters.... If TGP owners weren't so dumb and created a standart rule, we wouldn't waste so much fucking time to submit and could do it by hand!

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03-31-2004, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2
With hosted galleries, paid listings, and paid partner accounts a TGP can get all the galleries it would ever need.

Let's apply this to the average size TGP out there, and see if it solves anything.....

1. Hosted galleries are too repetitive and bland. Too predictable. You can put some up, but you can't rely on them to stock the TGP.

2. Paid listings do not account for many of the listings. The average TGP will have very few of these.

3. Paid partner accounts will be a tough sell for the average TGP since every TGP would be offering them.

So where do the blunt of submissions come from? In your example, the only decent size source would be the hosted galleries.
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03-31-2004, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by crockett
an example of a moron... I get an e-mail from someone asking why he is banned claiming he's never submitted before yet he is banned.. He linked to the gallery in his mail... It was about a 200 lb 30 year old chick dressed in a cheerleaders outfit.. I'm like WTF did you even look at the site? It's Teens only..

SO FUCKING TRUE

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AutoSubmitters are geting way too out of hand and new webmasters hitting the scene haven't got a clue. They don't look at the site they're submitting to or even pay attention to the rules.

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03-31-2004, 11:25 AM

tgp scripts nowadays can detect and block autosubmit ect, it wont take long until they block dreamsubmit completely.
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03-31-2004, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by Lenny2
I've been reading the thread about the new "dreamsubmitter" with its "image reading" feature that will let you autosubmit to sites that have a validation code that needs to be typed into the box in order to submit.

Did any of you ever stop to think that the reason the TGP owner put that image there is because they DON'T WANT YOUR AUTOSUBMITS???

I have run mgp's for quite some time, and i do agree with you that SOME submitters are just idiots that cant follow rules, and SOME autosubmit software is terrible and will not comply with rules set by the particular tgp, OR end up submitting wrong information if a form is changed. But i WILL say that dreamsubmitter submits with 99% accuracy and can be setup to comply with ALL rules on EVERY TGP/MGP. You are always going to get cheaters be it manual or autosubmitters, that cant be helped. But when a form is changed or a description length is cut off due to the field length being changed, dreamsubmitter is one of the only submitters that will SKIP the site and mark it with an error, so you can go back and make sure that you make necessary changes without spamming incorrect information.

And with dreamsubmitter it is also an option to do all your submissions by hand, and just have them autofill, you check the information over, and then hit the submit button.

Again, i don't support cheaters and i don't support people that are too stupid to read the rules on mgp/tgps. I'm just trying to say that it is possible to use dreamsubmitter AND comply with all of the issues you have brought to the table.

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03-31-2004, 11:42 AM

Originally posted by crockett
yea I'm getting so sick of morons that can't read rules.. I used to get over 150- 200 submits a day to one of my sites.. 80% were auto submits that couldn't even get the category right..

When I changed TGP scripts I didn't update the sbmitters data base as a resualt I get a lot less submits but better quality. The only guys submitting now, are people that have visted the site atleast once to get the new submit url.

So now about 80% are in the right categories but as the others start finding the new submit page, so it's getting worse again. Between morons and browser highjacking assholes.. it makes me want to go to just use my own galleries and partners.. but I hate to do it..

an example of a moron... I get an e-mail from someone asking why he is banned claiming he's never submitted before yet he is banned.. He linked to the gallery in his mail... It was about a 200 lb 30 year old chick dressed in a cheerleaders outfit.. I'm like WTF did you even look at the site? It's Teens only..

I'm looking for quality TGP's to add to my personal hand-submit list. If you or any others here care to allow me to submit to you, I would be most interested to consider you for inclusion once I start submissions again.

There are a lot of established tgp'ers that will attest to my galleries being both clean and worthy.

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03-31-2004, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2
I've been reading the thread about the new "dreamsubmitter" with its "image reading" feature that will let you autosubmit to sites that have a validation code that needs to be typed into the box in order to submit.

Did any of you ever stop to think that the reason the TGP owner put that image there is because they DON'T WANT YOUR AUTOSUBMITS???

The TGP game has been gradually moving to partner accounts/paid listings and things like this will just expedite that process.
It started with Russian Submitter and its been downhill since then.

Those of you who use a product that has features designed to break a TGP's rules are digging your own grave. A LOT of you are in for a rude awakening when you wake up one morning and find out you can't get 2 hits from anywhere without paying for them.

Look at it like this. If you're responsible for what you're submitting, and you're using a tool that doesn't submit bad information... What's the harm in autosubmitting?

Sites using passcodes are doing it to keep people from bulk submitting millions of submissions. They're not designed to keep honest gallery makers, from submitting a few galleries that clearly follow all the rules.

If my gallery quality doesn't change, and you've been listing them for months .. What's the real difference between me spending time typing the fucking pass code, or a tool doing it for me?

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03-31-2004, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2
I've been reading the thread about the new "dreamsubmitter" with its "image reading" feature that will let you autosubmit to sites that have a validation code that needs to be typed into the box in order to submit.

Did any of you ever stop to think that the reason the TGP owner put that image there is because they DON'T WANT YOUR AUTOSUBMITS???

The TGP game has been gradually moving to partner accounts/paid listings and things like this will just expedite that process.
It started with Russian Submitter and its been downhill since then.

Those of you who use a product that has features designed to break a TGP's rules are digging your own grave. A LOT of you are in for a rude awakening when you wake up one morning and find out you can't get 2 hits from anywhere without paying for them.

let them fuck it up, maybe then tgp's wont be as saturated with retard cheaters, if they wanna dig their own grave, by all means let them, i'm sick of jumping through hoops just to get a submission done because these morons fucked it up for the rest of the world

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03-31-2004, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Mike-BP
Haha, only a few more months and EVERY TGP is hosted galleries only

Bye bye gallery submitters, good luck at MacDonalds and BK!

That sounds plain stupid....

btw lenny is right, if evry moron starts to use these tools that break the rules of all these tgps what do you think will happen?

Hell I dont even bother with regular submits anymore, partner or nothing...too many jerkoffs are messing up the game
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03-31-2004, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

The same could actually be said to TGP's by gallery submitters.

I know there's a lot of hosted galleries available, but they can't replace the unique variety of content and design that webmaster submissions bring.

Sorry, but we can. Outsourcing, cheap BW, numerous designers offereing bulk gallery template deals, content blowout sales - you can be replaced very easily these days.

Not saying everyone will - but it's doable.
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03-31-2004, 03:06 PM

Good post Lenny...

Probably the first USEFUL INFORMATIVE post I have read at GFY in some time.

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03-31-2004, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by DarkJedi

Doubt it,
There are thousands of TGPs - if everyone start using same hosted galleries, surfers wont like it and they'll move to TGPs that still list original content.

and maybe the cheap bastards will have to cave in and buy a membership for good shit
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03-31-2004, 03:07 PM

You know what, fuck it....when these programs come out, there are always ways that tgp's weed these fuckers out.

I say go for it....Because nowadays, honest webmasters seem to be the ones making a good buck again...TGP owners realize who is who and who submits quality galleries and the larger ones aren't stupid, they know this....

How lazy do you have to be though that you can't type in a few letters/numbers...These people have no need to be around. Sure its annoying, but it's still needed...No there is a way around that? Just stupid...
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#49

03-31-2004, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Matt 26z

The state of the typical TGP submission process is what is directly responsable for the increase in cheaters.

That's the biggest crock of shit I've heard yet. You're putting the cart before the horse.

TGP's didn't start making submitters jump through hoops until AFTER the autosubmitters started flooding them with crap.
The only reason they came up with a bunch of ridiculous rules and submission procedures is because they were getting flooded with so much junk that there weren't enough hours in a day to sift through them to get to the quality galleries submitted by honest webmasters.

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03-31-2004, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2

There was a day when that was true, but its not so anymore.

With hosted galleries, paid listings, and paid partner accounts a TGP can get all the galleries it would ever need.
Maybe, (BIG MAYBE) they'd lose some traffic by not taking public submissions anymore, but with the ridiculous amount of crap they get flooded with I'm not sure it would be worth the headache.

I haven't had a public submit form in years, and I have more traffic than ever on my sites.

I do make it real easy on my submit partners, though. Once you have an account, I dont see the need to use a random generated passphrase, or confirm the e-mail address, etc. Waste of time - the have an account, that's all I need to know.
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