Freedom at it's best: Iraqi outcry as US bans newspaper - GoFuckYourself.com

directfiesta · 03-29-2004, 08:25 AM

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Recent articles in Al-Hawza have accused the chief American administrator, Paul Bremer, of following in the footsteps of the deposed dictator, Saddam Hussein, by persecuting Shias.

" Operation Iraqi Freedom " ... lol

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Hundreds of Iraqis have protested in Baghdad after a Shia newspaper was banned for allegedly inciting violence against the US-led coalition.
Angry crowds gathered at the offices of Al-Hawza Al-Natiqa weekly, which is produced by supporters of the radical Shia cleric Moqtada Sadr.

US troops earlier delivered a letter announcing a 60-day ban on the weekly.

The US blames Al-Hawza for inciting violence; the paper's supporters say the ban attacks freedom of expression.

Anti-occupation

"We ask everybody to come to the newspaper and stay there until it is reopened," read a statement issued by Mr Sadr's office.

Demonstrators responding to the call chanted anti-American slogans and burnt a US flag in Baghdad's al-Hurriyah square.

Al-Hawza's editor, Ali Yasseri, told Reuters the US soldiers padlocked the office and threatened to arrest those who did not leave the premises.

A letter in Arabic handed out by the troops said the paper "misleads readers" and "constitutes a real threat of violence against coalition forces and Iraqis who work with the coalition".

A spokesman for Mr Sadr said the paper was against the US occupation of Iraq, but denied the charge that it incited violence.

Sheikh Mahmud Sudani said Al-Hawza had attracted censure because it strongly criticised the killing of Palestinian preacher, Sheikh Yassin, by Israeli forces in Gaza last week.

'Like Saddam'

Mr Sadr, a young cleric based in the holy city of Najaf, has fast risen to prominence since the US-led invasion in 2003.

Huge crowds flock to his fiery sermons calling for an end to the US occupation of Iraq, while his supporters have formed an armed militia claiming to provide security and social welfare for Shias.

Recent articles in Al-Hawza have accused the chief American administrator, Paul Bremer, of following in the footsteps of the deposed dictator, Saddam Hussein, by persecuting Shias.

The publication has also alleged American rockets - rather than a car-bomb, as was widely reported - killed 53 Iraqis in the town of Iskandariyah recently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3578183.stm

Edguy! · 03-29-2004, 08:29 AM

That's because the occupation is a farce.

BigFish · 03-29-2004, 08:29 AM

You're an idiot. Do us a favor and go to your local movie theater on Friday when it's packed. Wait until everybody shuffles into the theater and the lights turn off then yell at the top of your lungs FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!. Let's see how long your freedom lasts.

jacobt · 03-29-2004, 08:30 AM

Just another example of how fucked up America is.

Edguy! · 03-29-2004, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
You're an idiot. Do us a favor and go to your local movie theater on Friday when it's packed. Wait until everybody shuffles into the theater and the lights turn off then yell at the top of your lungs FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!. Let's see how long your freedom lasts.

dude, don't dismiss people as idiots that quickly....

Roger · 03-29-2004, 08:33 AM

It's not called an occupation for nothing.

Heck that's really the least of there problems right now. Did you see those anti-occupation protestors who where being shot at? Now that's bad.

directfiesta · 03-29-2004, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish
You're an idiot. Do us a favor and go to your local movie theater on Friday when it's packed. Wait until everybody shuffles into the theater and the lights turn off then yell at the top of your lungs FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!. Let's see how long your freedom lasts.

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KRL · 03-29-2004, 08:41 AM

In this special war time situation you have a newspaper directly ADVOCATING violence against US Soldiers. Its published by people who are opposed to democratic reforms and who are using it not as a true newspaper but as a propoganda tool to incite violence.

In my book it is that bogus newspaper that is a farce and needed to be shut down.

Remember this is a war and during a war all the rules change.

BigFish · 03-29-2004, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta

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Can't even comprehend a little analogy? What makes you think you can comprehend a whole article? Let me help you -> you yelling fire utilizing your free speech -> people packed in the theater panic and rush for the limited number of doorways -> people end up being crushed and die. Who's at fault? Freedom of Speech would land you in jail in this instance, wouldn't it? That newspaper is inciting violence against coalition troops, period. What does Freedom have to do with anything if they're using it to create chaos?

directfiesta · 03-29-2004, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by KRL

Remember this is a war and during a war all the rules change.

Ooops, thought it was a " liberation " ...

My mistake

directfiesta · 03-29-2004, 08:51 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish

Can't even comprehend a little analogy? What makes you think you can comprehend a whole article? Let me help you -> you yelling fire utilizing your free speech -> people packed in the theater panic and rush for the limited number of doorways -> people end up being crushed and die. Who's at fault? Freedom of Speech would land you in jail in this instance, wouldn't it? That newspaper is inciting violence against coalition troops, period. What does Freedom have to do with anything if they're using it to create chaos?

Nice signature ... lol....

PS : let's padlock the theaters.

loverboy · 03-29-2004, 08:59 AM

Freedom? If the publication encourages more war instead of peace against the US, I guess its just right for the coalition forces to protects its soldiers from such violent threats. everything is just fucked up.

jacobt · 03-29-2004, 09:15 AM

you know, the jews had newspapers that promoted anti-nazi sentiments, can't you see the correlation between this and back then? the people should have the RIGHT to print this, regardless of who is in control.

Rochard · 03-29-2004, 09:23 AM

Iraq is currently being ruled by the US armed forces. This is a warzone, not a democracy.

Here in the US we have "freedom of the press". However, if I start printing a weekly newspaper that says our local police cheif is a mass murderer with no supporting facts I'm pretty sure I'd be shut down as well.

eroswebmaster · 03-29-2004, 09:27 AM

so much wasted energy on the wrong issues.

eroswebmaster · 03-29-2004, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by jacobt
you know, the jews had newspapers that promoted anti-nazi sentiments, can't you see the correlation between this and back then? the people should have the RIGHT to print this, regardless of who is in control.

To compare what is going on in Iraq to what the Nazis did to the jews and other people they considered undesirables does a disservice to the victims of the nazis and their surviving family members.

You just cheapened their lives.

ColBigBalls · 03-29-2004, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by KRL
In this special war time situation you have a newspaper directly ADVOCATING violence against US Soldiers. Its published by people who are opposed to democratic reforms and who are using it not as a true newspaper but as a propoganda tool to incite violence.

In my book it is that bogus newspaper that is a farce and needed to be shut down.

Remember this is a war and during a war all the rules change.

i agree the paper is being miss used and was shut down with just cause. as for justifying the occupation..... thats another thread all together

XXXManager · 03-29-2004, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
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What is your point?
That Iraq is now America and they should allow every fanatical newspaper to be published to the so very educated crowd that can distinguish right from wrong 4 months after looting every corner of Iraq in a moment of anarchy?

Aren't you a bit naive?

Huggles · 03-29-2004, 12:01 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
In this special war time situation you have a newspaper directly ADVOCATING violence against US Soldiers. Its published by people who are opposed to democratic reforms and who are using it not as a true newspaper but as a propoganda tool to incite violence.

In my book it is that bogus newspaper that is a farce and needed to be shut down.

Remember this is a war and during a war all the rules change.

Yeah. What did the newspaper expect? The US would sit by and let their paper print out garbage encouraging people to attack the troops? I remember reading that the newspaper was outraged they got shut down. Dumbasses.

The Truth Hurts · 03-29-2004, 12:05 PM

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Originally posted by KRL
In this special war time situation you have a newspaper directly ADVOCATING violence against US Soldiers. Its published by people who are opposed to democratic reforms and who are using it not as a true newspaper but as a propoganda tool to incite violence.

In my book it is that bogus newspaper that is a farce and needed to be shut down.

Remember this is a war and during a war all the rules change.

shh... this kind of logical thought is not allowed on GFY...

pretty soon you'll be labled a right wing bible thumping neo-nazi rush limbaugh wanna-be.

PenisFace · 03-29-2004, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by Huggles

Yeah. What did the newspaper expect? The US would sit by and let their paper print out garbage encouraging people to attack the troops? I remember reading that the newspaper was outraged they got shut down. Dumbasses.

All over the US news papers printed anti-france stories. So many americans swollowed it up.

And you wonder why the whole world wishes you'd vaporize.

PenisFace · 03-29-2004, 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

shh... this kind of logical though is not allowed on GFY...

pretty soon you'll be labled a right wing bible thumping neo-nazi rush limbaugh wanna-be.

Funny, he's probably already labelled people that dont agree with him as pussy liberal lefties that have nothing to go on but progoganda.

Americans (not all of them) are like the germans during ww2. They can be whipped into a frenzy over something at the drop of a hat. France is wrong? Fuck that, they dont need any evidence, FUCK FRANCE!

DarkJedi · 03-29-2004, 12:14 PM

They began the occupation by arresting streetcorner prophets like the kind you find on many American streetcorners.

This will get far worse before it gets better.

dav555add · 03-29-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by jacobt
you know, the jews had newspapers that promoted anti-nazi sentiments, can't you see the correlation between this and back then? the people should have the RIGHT to print this, regardless of who is in control.

You sir have SERIOUS ISSUES

cluck · 03-29-2004, 12:18 PM

There IS a big problem in Iraq. The US is appointing the religious fundamentalists into power. The civilized people in the cities have a major problem. They have marriage between people of different sects of islam, etc. The people in power now oppose all of that.

Giving power to religious fundamentalists makes no sense. They're better off under Saddams secular regime.

titmowse · 03-29-2004, 12:23 PM

Paper closed for inciting violence

March 29, 2004 - 10:05AM

"Hundreds of followers of a firebrand Iraqi Shi'ite Muslim cleric burned an American flag in an angry protest in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, on Sunday after the US-led coalition shut down his newspaper for 60 days for inciting violence.

A spokesman for the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority confirmed that the shutdown order, signed by US overseer Paul Bremer, was delivered to the offices of Moqtada Sadr's weekly Al-Hawza Al-Natiqar.

"The newspaper has been closed for 60 days because it has violated order 14, which prohibits newspapers from creating instability through inciting violence against the coalition forces," a spokesman told AFP.

"If anyone prints anything during the closure period he will be liable to go to jail for up to one year and will be fined up to $US1,000 ($A1,360)," the spokesman added.

Responding to a call from Sadr's office, his supporters converged in cars, pick-up trucks, buses and on foot for an open-ended sit-in in al-Hurriyah square in southern Baghdad, where the newspaper is located.

Three hours later, the crowd had swollen to several hundreds and as many as 1,500 clerics, men and boys stood shoulder-to-shoulder outside the building to vent their fury against the US-led occupation.

Sadr spokesman Sheikh Mahmud Sudani said the protest would be "peaceful", in line with the instructions of the radical Shi'ite leader.

"We will not break the lock because we want to prove to the world that we are peace-loving people. We are opposed to violence," he said as he stood outside the padlocked one-story building. "We are determined to pursue our protest until they reopen our newspaper."

He acknowledged that Al-Hawza (Shi'ite authority in Arabic) Al-Natiqa was opposed to the occupation, but denied it was inciting violence against US forces.

Sudani suggested that Bremer was angered by the weekly's harsh condemnation of Israel's assassination last Monday of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the militant Palestinian group Hamas.

On March 25, the paper carried on its front page, pictures of Yassin, as well as of Moqtada's father and great uncle, Mohammad Sadek al-Sadr and Mohammad Baqr al-Sadr, who were killed by Saddam Hussein in 1999 and 1980 respectively.

But Bremer's order imposing the closure referred to two "inaccurate" reports published by the weekly in its February 26 edition, including one that compared the US overseer to Saddam and his oppressive regime.

"They tried to close down our paper but we still have our weapons: our noble pens," the weekly's deputy chief editor, Ali al-Yasser, said as the protesters chanted anti-US and anti-Israeli slogans."

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cluck Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,248	There IS a big problem in Iraq. The US is appointing the religious fundamentalists into power. The civilized people in the cities have a major problem. They have marriage between people of different sects of islam, etc. The people in power now oppose all of that. Giving power to religious fundamentalists makes no sense. They're better off under Saddams secular regime. __________________ icq 279990726 www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity

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titmowse Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: TEXAS Posts: 5,320	Paper closed for inciting violence March 29, 2004 - 10:05AM "Hundreds of followers of a firebrand Iraqi Shi'ite Muslim cleric burned an American flag in an angry protest in the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, on Sunday after the US-led coalition shut down his newspaper for 60 days for inciting violence. A spokesman for the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority confirmed that the shutdown order, signed by US overseer Paul Bremer, was delivered to the offices of Moqtada Sadr's weekly Al-Hawza Al-Natiqar. "The newspaper has been closed for 60 days because it has violated order 14, which prohibits newspapers from creating instability through inciting violence against the coalition forces," a spokesman told AFP. "If anyone prints anything during the closure period he will be liable to go to jail for up to one year and will be fined up to $US1,000 ($A1,360)," the spokesman added. Responding to a call from Sadr's office, his supporters converged in cars, pick-up trucks, buses and on foot for an open-ended sit-in in al-Hurriyah square in southern Baghdad, where the newspaper is located. Three hours later, the crowd had swollen to several hundreds and as many as 1,500 clerics, men and boys stood shoulder-to-shoulder outside the building to vent their fury against the US-led occupation. Sadr spokesman Sheikh Mahmud Sudani said the protest would be "peaceful", in line with the instructions of the radical Shi'ite leader. "We will not break the lock because we want to prove to the world that we are peace-loving people. We are opposed to violence," he said as he stood outside the padlocked one-story building. "We are determined to pursue our protest until they reopen our newspaper." He acknowledged that Al-Hawza (Shi'ite authority in Arabic) Al-Natiqa was opposed to the occupation, but denied it was inciting violence against US forces. Sudani suggested that Bremer was angered by the weekly's harsh condemnation of Israel's assassination last Monday of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the militant Palestinian group Hamas. On March 25, the paper carried on its front page, pictures of Yassin, as well as of Moqtada's father and great uncle, Mohammad Sadek al-Sadr and Mohammad Baqr al-Sadr, who were killed by Saddam Hussein in 1999 and 1980 respectively. But Bremer's order imposing the closure referred to two "inaccurate" reports published by the weekly in its February 26 edition, including one that compared the US overseer to Saddam and his oppressive regime. "They tried to close down our paper but we still have our weapons: our noble pens," the weekly's deputy chief editor, Ali al-Yasser, said as the protesters chanted anti-US and anti-Israeli slogans." link __________________ I still love everybody

03-29-2004, 08:29 AM	#2
Edguy! Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,126	That's because the occupation is a farce.

03-29-2004, 08:29 AM	#3
BigFish Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,159	You're an idiot. Do us a favor and go to your local movie theater on Friday when it's packed. Wait until everybody shuffles into the theater and the lights turn off then yell at the top of your lungs FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!. Let's see how long your freedom lasts.

03-29-2004, 08:30 AM	#4
jacobt Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 174	Just another example of how fucked up America is.

03-29-2004, 08:33 AM	#6
Roger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MetroCity Posts: 3,181	It's not called an occupation for nothing. Heck that's really the least of there problems right now. Did you see those anti-occupation protestors who where being shot at? Now that's bad.

03-29-2004, 08:59 AM	#12
loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	Freedom? If the publication encourages more war instead of peace against the US, I guess its just right for the coalition forces to protects its soldiers from such violent threats. everything is just fucked up.

03-29-2004, 09:15 AM	#13
jacobt Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 174	you know, the jews had newspapers that promoted anti-nazi sentiments, can't you see the correlation between this and back then? the people should have the RIGHT to print this, regardless of who is in control.

03-29-2004, 12:14 PM	#23
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	They began the occupation by arresting streetcorner prophets like the kind you find on many American streetcorners. This will get far worse before it gets better.