Embryos and Fetuses Will Now Have Legal Rights as a Person Independent of the Mother

[KRL]

The Senate just passed The Unborn Victims of Violence Act. President Bush says he will sign it into law.

This would be the first time in federal law that an embryo or fetus is recognized as a separate and distinct person under the law, separate from the woman.

Abortion rights lawmakers contend that giving a fetus, from the point of conception, the same legal rights as its mother sets a precedent that could be used in future legal challenges to abortion rights.

The bill states that an assailant who attacks a pregnant woman while committing a violent federal crime can be prosecuted for separate offenses against both the woman and her unborn child. The legislation defines an "unborn child" as a child in utero, which it says "means a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."

[slackologist]

hmmm

[Spunky]

Um...how are they going to contact a lawyer and file papers?

[Fletch XXX]

GOD BLESS PRESIDENT BUSH

HE IS AN ANGEL TO US

LET US GIVE HIM PRAISE

[gornyhuy]

What I love most about Bush is how he is slowly taking away all of our rights and civil liberties in the name of the religious right.

Love that.

[Rorschach]

Good in terms of punishing violent crimes, but the danger to abortion rights is so much greater.

[directfiesta]

I want my sperms to have the same rights....

[KRL]

Originally posted by slackologist
hmmm

Exactly.

[HS-Trixxxia]

Is he starting to feel the heat? They are passing a heck of alot of laws these days that are taking away your freedom......is he trying to get everything signed, sealed and delivered before he gets out?


Edit: I don't have a problem with the fetus being treated as a human.....it's the consequences that may arise regarding abortion that worries me.

[Fletch XXX]

One nation under the gun
Where forward thinking is shunned
A morbid tradition
Of archaic value systems
Where violence justified
Is just another pride
Under the surface lies
A holy plastic empire
With guarded golden fences
Where misfortune
Shelters decisions
A pain wrought from blood flowing green
The myth of protection
Is a sick fascination
A culture of violence is what you are feeding
Fear is an heirloom
And hate is contagious
A nation of sadists is what you are breeding
It's everywhere
It's everywhere that you see
But who decides
If you watch or turn the other cheek
And only in your mind
Is it your given right to be armed to the teeth
It's a common disease
The only immunity is to disarm
This holy plastic empire disease

[Plan9]

Originally posted by directfiesta
I want my sperms to have the same rights....

Wouldn't that make you a mass murderer on a scale the world has never seen everytime you rubbed one out?!

[HS-Trixxxia]

So under this law, if a woman wants an abortion and her husband/boyfriend disagrees and she goes ahead with it:

1) Can she be accused of murder?
2) Is it her choice to keep it or to abort it?


Do the laws change if the baby will be born with a disease/handicap & the husband/boyfriend opposes the abortion?

[KRL]

Originally posted by Plan9


Wouldn't that make you a mass murderer on a scale the world has never seen everytime you rubbed one out?!

Average number of sperm cells in the ejaculate of a healthy man: 200 to 600 million

Its hard to imagine one load has more sperm than the entire US population.

very interesting! I wonder how this will turn out on such projects as cloning and abortion

[Nysus]

What if the fetus doesn't want to be a fetus? It didn't have a choice in the first place ... That just opens up waaaayy too many open ends...

Cheers,
Matt

[KRL]

Originally posted by Trixxxia
So under this law, if a woman wants an abortion and her husband/boyfriend disagrees and she goes ahead with it:

1) Can she be accused of murder?
2) Is it her choice to keep it or to abort it?


Do the laws change if the baby will be born with a disease/handicap & the husband/boyfriend opposes the abortion?

They put a clause Excluding legal abortion. It was primarily designed for violence cases where a criminal kills or injures a pregnant woman, like in the Laci Peterson case. However pro choice groups say this is the next step to eventually overturning Roe v. Wade and making an abortion a crime.

[slackologist]

Originally posted by KRL


Average number of sperm cells in the ejaculate of a healthy man: 200 to 600 million

Its hard to imagine one load has more sperm than the entire US population.

we're definatley not 'efficient'.. I guess we evolved from something that squirted out 200+ million sperm and 50% of them fertilised eggs.

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by Trixxxia
So under this law, if a woman wants an abortion and her husband/boyfriend disagrees and she goes ahead with it:

1) Can she be accused of murder?
2) Is it her choice to keep it or to abort it?


Do the laws change if the baby will be born with a disease/handicap & the husband/boyfriend opposes the abortion?

Nothing could be farther from the truth. It has nothing to do with abortions.

And your poor Bush haters better find a better cause than this one - you're just showing that again you haven't done your homework.

Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit.

[cherrylula]

I don't understand those republicans. In my neighborhood, they should be running prime time commercials for abortion, let alone want to outlaw it.

[slackologist]

whatever happens, lawyers look like the early winners here.

[nathan_f]

Come to canada, we have plenty of room. Just not in toronto please.. no room left there..

[crockett]

great so now we will go back to the days of back alley abortions ...

Go Bush you're a true hero ..

wow what a great week this has been, First Tenn banns being gay... Then Georga bans female genitle pericings and now george bush will ban abortions... What a great week for our country.. Soon we'll all be singing in our local church's quire and be good little angles for the Reglious Reich..

[tony286]

Things that can happen now, you have a fender bender with a pregnant woman. She gets so upset from the accident she loses the baby (Baby lose is very high in the first trimester). You are now on trial for man slaughter. You trip into a pregnant woman at the mall she falls loses the baby . You are on trial for man slaughter. You have a model at shoot you use toys on her ,she doesnt know she is pregnant . She loses the baby ,you are on trial for manslaughter. We are also not taking 7 months in big stomach ,this counts four weeks in. This is dangerious shit.

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by crockett
great so now we will go back to the days of back alley abortions ...

Go Bush you're a true hero ..

wow what a great week this has been, First Tenn banns being gay... Then Georga bans female genitle pericings and now george bush will ban abortions... What a great week for our country.. Soon we'll all be singing in our local church's quire and be good little angles for the Reglious Reich..

I hate to repeat myself..... but

Nothing could be farther from the truth. It has nothing to do with abortions.

And your poor Bush haters better find a better cause than this one - you're just showing that again you haven't done your homework.

Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit.

[The Truth Hurts]

good to see ingnorance and stupidity still running strong as ever on gfy.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by DavePlays

Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit.

yeah the NEWS is RESEARCH

people like you should be thrown to lions

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
good to see ingnorance and stupidity still running strong as ever on gfy.

Man you got that right....

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by DavePlays



Man you got that right....

no shit pot.

"Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit."

wheres the kettle?

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


yeah the NEWS is RESEARCH

people like you should be thrown to lions

Research - OR - watch watch some news - ANYTHING but jumping to conclusions and spouting off shit that has no basis in fact.

That better?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by DavePlays


Research - OR - watch watch some news - ANYTHING but jumping to conclusions and spouting off shit that has no basis in fact.

That better?

ignorance doesnt "get better"

[Illicit]

Originally posted by crockett


wow what a great week this has been, First Tenn banns being gay... Then Georga bans female genitle pericings and now george bush will ban abortions... What a great week for our country..

It is a great week for our country ! Its about time this shit gets adressed.

I hope this ends up getting rid of abortion. Fuck the sluts, let them become responsible for their actions.

[The Truth Hurts]

Imagine you're a pregnant chick, walking down the street..
with full intention of having the the child inside you.

imagine a mugger comes up tries to grab your purse which you've got strapped on defensively, and you're inadvertently knocked to the ground landing stomach first, the mugger panics and flees but is later caught.

Imagine as a result of landing on your stomach, you end up having a miscarriage, losing the child you fully intended bringing into this world.

What would you want the mugger charged with?

Attempted robbery? Assault?

Didn't think so.

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
ignorance doesnt "get better"

Fine - keep crying about this and abortion even though it has nothing to do it with, ignore the provisions put in protecting legal abortions, and continue to be uninformed.

It had been known all day of the provision protecting legal abortion - why didn't you know that?


And Bush makes the laws in Tenn. and GA. now too?

my you are well informed aren't you?

[Lane]

Every single law Bush will sign will have a valid reasoning. But you can't see the big picture if you stand only 2 inches from it.

[crockett]

Originally posted by DavePlays



I hate to repeat myself..... but

Nothing could be farther from the truth. It has nothing to do with abortions.

And your poor Bush haters better find a better cause than this one - you're just showing that again you haven't done your homework.

Geeeze people - do a little research - watch the news a little bit.

give me a freaking break.. Bush has ran on the promise of making abortions Illegal. You don't think this is a first step? You can sit there and tell me this won't be the first thing that happens as soon as this bill is passed into law? How hard do you think it will be to use this law as a way to stop abortions.

I give it less than 6 months for the 1st case to hit the court rooms but I'm sure it will be sooner. After all if the law states that a embryo is a living person with rights, it would be hard to abort it with out saying it's murder now wouldn't.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by DavePlays



Fine - keep crying about this and abortion even though it has nothing to do it with, ignore the provisions put in protecting legal abortions, and continue to be uninformed.

It had been known all day of the provision protecting legal abortion - why didn't you know that?


And Bush makes the laws in Tenn. and GA. now too?

my you are well informed aren't you?

hey idiot, when did i say anything about this topic?

i called you a fucking idiot for claiming to "watch news" as its research.

im not arguing about abortion you fucking retard.

i was simply calling you media based sheep.

so fucking baaah baaah baah and run along.

i dont care to argue with you.

go watch tv dumb ass.

you must have a degree by now watching TV.

[slackologist]

Originally posted by Lane
Every single law Bush will sign will have a valid reasoning. But you can't see the big picture if you stand only 2 inches from it.

True, but perhaps not everyone will agree with his 'valid reasoning'.

Originally posted by Plan9


Wouldn't that make you a mass murderer on a scale the world has never seen everytime you rubbed one out?!

Doesn't sound too far off of those strict Catholic families that don't believe in birth control. Every sperm is precious. So they all end up with about 10 kids.

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


hey idiot, when did i say anything about this topic?

i called you a fucking idiot for claiming to "watch news" as its research.

im not arguing about abortion you fucking retard.

i was simply calling you media based sheep.

so fucking baaah baaah baah and run along.

i dont care to argue with you.

go watch tv dumb ass.

you must have a degree by now watching TV.

Do some research OR watch some new....

I don't watch much TV myself - but I do try to keep up with what is going on. There are several ways to get news. I am not aware however of any degrees being offered in watching TV - must be somethere you have where you live.


Thanks for your input, it has been invaluable.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by DavePlays




Do some research OR watch some new....

I don't watch much TV myself - but I do try to keep up with what is going on. There are several ways to get news. I am not aware however of any degrees being offered in watching TV - must be somethere you have where you live.


Thanks for your input, it has been invaluable.

blah blah blah, back track all you want, change your opinion.

bottomline is your dumb ass relies on the news for knowledge.

deny it all you want, reply all you want.

just dont try to play it off simpleton (look it up kid)

prove youre not an idiot and stop posting in this thread, i bet you cant. i stress, YOU CANNOT

[Living For Today]

I hope this is fake

[DavePlays]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX


blah blah blah, back track all you want, change your opinion.

bottomline is your dumb ass relies on the news for knowledge.

deny it all you want, reply all you want.

just dont try to play it off simpleton (look it up kid)

prove youre not an idiot and stop posting in this thread, i bet you cant. i stress, YOU CANNOT

This is like talking to a 9 year old....

Grow up and go find someone else to call your school yard names. The "news", be it print, radio or TV is where just about where all the events of the day are found - I guess you just make shit up as you go?

Go with play with the other children, the idiots and the retards and the other names you call people when you have nothing intelligent to say.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by DavePlays

This is like talking to a 9 year old....

looks like i was right.

people like you are whats wrong with america. news fed cows.

turn on your cnn.

i wonder how many times i could get you to quote me if i use one liners.

lets see...

quote me...

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX



people like you are whats wrong with america.

actually it's people like you.
the fucking idiot, hypocritical, minority.

[KRL]

Originally posted by tony404
Things that can happen now, you have a fender bender with a pregnant woman. She gets so upset from the accident she loses the baby (Baby lose is very high in the first trimester). You are now on trial for man slaughter. You trip into a pregnant woman at the mall she falls loses the baby . You are on trial for man slaughter. You have a model at shoot you use toys on her ,she doesnt know she is pregnant . She loses the baby ,you are on trial for manslaughter. We are also not taking 7 months in big stomach ,this counts four weeks in. This is dangerious shit.

Indeed, this is serious shit if you do any kind of harm to a woman who is pregnant.

Let's say some guy gets into a fight with his girlfriend. He knocks her to the floor, she was just pregnant and miscarries. If the girl wants to really get this guy back, she can now have the guy prosecuted for manslaughter.

Be careful around pregnant women guys.

[KRL]

Originally posted by Living For Today
I hope this is fake

No its not. It'll probably be the top news in all the headlines tomorrow.

[The Truth Hurts]

Originally posted by KRL



Be careful around pregnant women guys.

isn't that COMMON FUCKING LOGIC?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


actually it's people like you.
the fucking idiot, hypocritical, minority.

yeah yeah yeah.

im a hypocrit, how again?

because i called this guy an idiot for claiming "news is research"

yeah guy, whatever...

[KRL]

Originally posted by ajpiii


It is a great week for our country ! Its about time this shit gets adressed.

I hope this ends up getting rid of abortion. Fuck the sluts, let them become responsible for their actions.

You're going to turn this into a long long thread with views like that.

[slackologist]

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


actually it's people like you.
the fucking idiot, hypocritical, minority.

Fletch is nothing like Bush though, so that can't work.