Yeah,

Just fucking aroud. My point is that nobody wants to open any discussion with a price. A client doesn't want to overpay. And a designer doesn't want to undercharge. But the designer still wants the work and the client wants the best price with the least headache.

OK, so both parties start out on an equal ground. Designers just state your price and clients just beg for the cheapest labor. Eventually the playing field levels off.

The clients that survive to afford the big bucks recognize the value of designers that perform on a cash basis. Whatever the price, they make you money.

The designers that prosper are the ones that deliver the goods. Make their clients money.

The best way to get work is to make somebody money. There are tons of sponsors out there. I've been designing for a while. In December, I started building galleries and submitting them. My galleries convert. I got contacted by a sponsor that I promoted. He wanted some free hosted galleries. He contacted me because my galleries made him BLING.

I did his galleries and now have 3 spinoff clients. Makes me BLING.

By the way, the spinoff clients never questioned my price. I made somebody BLING and that's all that matters in business.

yeah thats it.

do you even see me spamming for design? we are in very different markets.

I am nearly no longer available for work dude, i dont have "beef" with you.

me laughing at you has nothing to do with your profession.

I laugh at a lot of idiots around here, im not that picky.

;)

Thanks for calling me an idiot. :thumbsup

you need to grow some skin if you plan on posting as a designer around here

:1orglaugh

Not directly, dude...but spamming for Donovan, lately yeah.

But I can understand that because Donovan makes you money and you make him money. The best basis for spam is truth. "It ain't bragging if you deliver."

Besides, your shit rocks. Keep on blinging.

Hi,

Design Specials, Announcements, etc are good for posting on the boards.

When clients come to me, I find out what they want done, and send them a quote, easy as that. I do tons of quotes all week long and it works out great like that.

Peace

Todd

HAH. maybe you should get to know me more, intead of assuming that you know the kind of person I am. Id rather get to the bottom of things if you have problem rather than shruggin it off as you being an asshole, wich seems to be the direction its going.

Ill save you some time.

I am an asshole ;)

Ask everyone I do business with.

I shrug it off because it doesnt matter.

:thumbsup

See this thread:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=258548

That thread is exactly along the lines of which this rant topic is about.

He stated a 50K budget and from there people are bidding away and discussing ways to work with it. Just because design is visual is esentially the same.

To take it a level deeper someone could say I got 2K and need 2 tours done and 20 banners.

Theoretically speaking...

I believe that some conditioned patterns people blindly follow in business is not necessarily the correct method to achieve saving money and creating a thread that has far more potential than a "Spam" thread listing tons of designers.

Example.
Look at all the shit them people go through to find a designer with over 30 responses sometimes in them A typical "looking for designer" post when the response would excel well over 30 posts demonstrating what exactly "X" amount of dollars can get them while constructively creating an agreeable price for less than the stated budget amount.

Now, since AlienQ and I get along fine, as a respected designer... im going to bow out of his thread since I have taken up way too much space in here with this jibber jabber and even entertaining these replies.

Carry on folks.

Time to get back to work.

its almost cutting time.

:glugglug

BTW 50.

cheers.

:glugglug

Damn you.

You owned my fifty spot!

Fucken bastard...:Graucho

:helpme

Personally I would prefer it, but it actually does put the designer at a slight dis advantage.

But I know what I can do and willing to do for X amount of dollars and if I am not interested I will pass it by.

I know what you're saying...but I think it kind of works both ways...but basically it is kind of silly to go around and windowshop to a bunch of designers only to move on because the price is high when they could have just started a thread stating exactly what their budget was and what they needed.

Negotiations can still go on in the background via icq/email etc.