LIES,just more employee babble spewing outta your mouth..

if the industry was doing so swell I would be bitching all the time?
about the frauds and scammers and selling most of my bussiness like alot of webmasters I know personally have, facts.. your full of shit.. payed talking bullshit. you just might manage some okay traffic but your company doesn't pay independents like myself!

Ken doesn't pay anyone like me that is. I had some kick ass traffic sent to different sponsors but they all fuck me over in the end..

there's no stability in this business sorry stop shoveling the shit..
you discussed me. you have no truth.. tell you bosses to start paying then they be more popular not less.. on different forums..

and don't give me the old marketing shuffle talk like most MODS do.. that was a olf favourite of screwball fast talker Alley at Maxcash..another deadend played out badly.. maxcash.com

trying to trick everyone oto getting traffic for free. the sucker approach does work! he.he. need I say more. there loosers bigtime..look at there chat board old TOMCAT is still there no one else is. gee whY? same with ARS program burning everyone they can.. there going down hill fast too. so don't tell me all theses programs are running swell, there garbage and not paying just shaving period.. ceeya. melonman..

don't take this personally it's who you run with.. they don't pay..

I never said the indsutry was doing well. The whole industry is in a tough spot right now with everything going on.... Visa, Acacia etc..

Traffic is harder to get now aday and YES it is harder to convert too. No one signups as easily as they did years ago.

Credit Card processor SCRUB harderr then ever to keep chargebacks down. Surfers are more net savy.

And this one is dedicated to you:
TYPE IN TRAFFIC ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE!!!!!!!

But this is why people like me still succeed in this environement. I still look around and try to find the best traffic and the best ways to sell that traffic. There will always be hurdles, you just need to figure out how to get around them.

Jive this is NOT 1996. It is NOT easy to get and sell porn traffic anymore.

By going off on every sponsor out there you've effectivly cut off a source of "information" for you. Rather than going off on everyone and calling everyon shavers...maybe a better course of action would have been to stay level headed and befriended more program owners and higher up webmasters. Maybe you would have been able to learn some new traffic sources and news ways of marketing?

Or mabye if the sponsor owners actually liked you they may give you special payouts for your "oh so great traffic"..

But the bottom line and the truth is:

You had a decent list of Type In traffic. Type in trafffic doesn't convert as well as it once did in 96. Surfers are more net savy. As ratios got worse that's when you started complaining on the boards. WE HAVE ALL SEEN THINGS GET TOUGHER OVER THE YEARS!!! You're not the only one. Untill recently I've seen FPAs on your domains with invisible links to other domains. That SE trick died of years ago yet u still keep at it?

As someone else said recently. Shovel shit in and you'll get shit back. That about sums up your way of doing biz.

"By going off on every sponsor out there you've effectivly cut off a source of "information" for you. Rather than going off on everyone and calling everyon shavers...maybe a better course of action would have been to stay level headed and befriended more program owners and higher up webmasters. Maybe you would have been able to learn some new traffic sources and news ways of marketing?"

COULDNT HAVE SAID IT BETTER.

Over some time I taken note on this guy "Jive". Its bummer but he has gone and hit everyone with a name in some manor and its pretty fucken sad and gettin kinda "Old".

Sounds like he used to do well...
Turn it around Jive. If ya did great before ya should do even better now dude, or maybe ya just enjoy pokin the eyes of folks that work really hard?

Well you have some insight dude I have tried and trusted many sponsors but they haved fucked me in the end? if they were smart a few years ago they would have offered me and others actual jobs or a traffic deal of some sort? seeing i'm a wiz at getting traffic and creating traffic trends and YES, I have made some very good money over the years but I also get tired of the constant battle with a huge population of worthless sponsors waiving the flag all the time but don't pay me for sales... I also understand there traffic ratios are changing for sales but I see the boycotts and the constant shaving and burning that just sickens me! the sponsors are shaving there way out of business they need the balance of networking to even things out, they can't do it on there own. with out suffering and destroying the independent webmasters it doesn't work like that, having all the cake and eating it too. this method doesn't work in math terms.

i will post any program I feel that isn't playing fair with me and are dis-honest sorry.. but if they want to fuck around then so be it. 'facts' my opinion..
will be place on all forums as I see fit if they stop fucking me over then I'll treat them with respect it's a 2way street, stop trashing the webmasters then the trashing will stop!

.. good day..

I think there should be a place that all webmasters
can login and add real cheaters?

I sorta like this idea.. "build it and they will come" :thumbsup

every bit counts, good luck :thumbsup

Sounds like he used to do well...
Turn it around Jive. If ya did great before ya should do even better now dude, or maybe ya just enjoy pokin the eyes of folks that work really hard?

I can't work if i'm getting fucked all the time by the sponsors now can I?

sponsors need to turn the fucking fraud/shave/ ideas off!

Is anyone checking the integrity of this list to make sure that no one is grinding axes?

Good idea and they should show proof of such claims.

why are you offended by the truth? if you are then fuckoff..

Gee... now if someone lists a compeititor just cause they dont like them, it isnt really the truth, is it?

You're exposing yourself to legal liabilities creating fraud lists without any kind of substantiation and verification of facts. This is why we have a legal system to deal with such matters. Its a process governed by laws not by every Tom Dick and Harry coming up with their own system.

If there is one thing I've seen in this biz, there are always two sides to every story. A lot of BS statements are made against others that in actuality have no merit. Sometimes just out of jealousy, or vindictivness to try and ruin someone's rep for the fuck and fun of it.

A lot of guys have good intentions and for whatever reason the cash flow wasn't planned well or they lose their merchant account or something happens and their whole program goes into chaos. In desperation they try everything to keep the boat afloat. Checks bounce. Webmaster start screaming scam scam scam. Is that fraud? Is that really fraud? Not in my book.

I would never endorse or believe any lists without solid proof someone is truly fraudulent and had full malicious intent to deceive someone else.

Why do I let myself get sucked into these stupid thread by this guy? Oh yeah...cause I enjoy poking fun at him and his cut and paste responses.

I brought what on myself?..your pathetic attempts at making me look bad? Tell you what Dave, if people don't want to do business with me based on what YOU say that is fine by me.

Oh...and dave?...I am at a loss here. In many past threads you have said that I DID shave you. Yet in this thread i only TRIED to shave you? which is it?

What does the fact that you leased some pay site content from us have to do with us supposedly shaving or trying to shave your traffic?

send off your e-mails...you never did anser my question. If you have sold off your domains and are getting out of this Business...why do you care?

:glugglug

Writting checks that bounce is a textbook example of fraud. Every state in the country has a check fraud law.

If someone is trying to keep something afloat, writing bum checks is a very poor way to do it. Do they expect that the bank is gonna clear the checks? Not only do you have to pay the orginal amount, but then the banking fees and you might get your ass thrown in jail.

If you dont have the money in your account, you dont write checks. Period.

Your better off simply telling your webmasters that this, that and the other went to hell and you will take care of the situatiuon - and then do it. You volunteer such information right away, instead of waiting for people to come looking for it and then making them pry it out of you. Some people scream fraud a bit early, but usually this is because thier requests to the "where is my money" question have been ignored.

Most people have only themselves to blame for the failure of thier business. Customers are an amazing species, if you treat them with just a tiny bit of respect and don't lie to them they can be extemely sympatetic and understanding.

Email happily sent, and I am sure it was fraud because of the horrendous # of chargebacks this particular group of affiliates sent me. shady, shady:ak47:

Hello? Have you ever operated a large affiliate program?

You know how many banks have fucked over adult companies in this business and not given them notice that they put a hold on their bank accounts? Meanwhile all their checks start bouncing.