Why would they lay down their weapons? My solution is to give the Palestinians a country.

Israel have nukes. Who exactly is gonna wipe them out? Enough with the excuses.

those fucking JEWS

They wouldn't lay down their weapons, don't be a moron. I said IF... to make the point that if the Palestinians had the chance they would certainly commit "genocide" themselves.


Try to follow along now.

They both do it for revenge. They're pessimistic and don't look at it as if they have much too loose.

The problem with your stupid solution is that the Palestinian population is growing and so is the desire for revenge.

The solution would be to give Palestinians there independance. Seriously, what do you think you'd do if your country was under occupation?

fuck it, we should just kill all stupid people ... that 'll solve a lot of problems, but it will take at least 3 digits off the world population

No they won't and they have nukes, they're not defenseless. The Palestinians would commit genocide? On who exactly? You're making no sense.

http://fivaxis.com/sm/woot.gifhttp://fivaxis.com/sm/woot.gifHamas moron is dead http://fivaxis.com/sm/woot.gifhttp://fivaxis.com/sm/woot.gif

You're just not able to follow the flow if the discussion are ya?

I said: because neither side is going to give in, the only apparent solution is for Israel to destroy all traces of terrorism of the other side.

HE then said: "you are talking about genocide" and made reference to Hitler.

*I* then said: "but if the palestinians had the opportunity, you think they wouldn't commit genocide of the jews?"


Hello?

What part of that are you unable to grasp?


Okay, questions...

Is it Israel's task to "grant" the Palestinians their own country? If not, then whose decision is it? And, if they were granted their own country, do you really think that that would stop them from hating and attacking Israel like usual?

Why because they value their nation and self-respect more than money? 99% Americans only value $$, and I doubt you are any different. Bunch of greedy, ignorant, self-centered fucks.

:1orglaugh :ak47:

50 murdering jews

No I don't think they would.
Some people also believe that there'd be a genocide once black people are no longer slaves.

Heuh? They're the ones occupying it, of course it's Israel's task to work towards giving Palestinians a country instead of taking it from them by using settlements.
Yes I really think that'd stop at least 90% of the attacks and the rest will eventually fade away.

One gets killed another 5 line up to take their place. It's hard for these people to get along with those that kill the ones they love and respect, the ones that have fought for their rights for so long.

'Use my head', well thanks for the advice there CD dude. I never said it wouldn't be the same either way, get a fucking clue. But if violence is the solution, it's going to end up as genocide if history is anything to go by.

I'm all for a peaceful option out and i believe it's possible if the political will is there, it'll take sacrifice, but in the end the right option is political and economical sacrifices rather than human lives.

I also believe people that promote terror need to be held accountable by their own people for real progress to be made.

Such a shame. Really.

http://www.fivaxis.com/owned.jpg

You're forgetting who owns the land.

The Jews were there first. The Jews somehow managed to lose it throughout history. Ever hear of the Promised Land? And then they fought and took it back.

Last time I checked, if you get attacked, and you fight back and win, you're entitled to a satisfactory peace settlement.

And the "Palestinians" can just pack up their shit and walk if they want.

liberate the disputed territories from all parties until they learn how to play nice...

"dude"... YOU get a clue. Don't sit there and fucking tell me to get a clue when you so obviously need one. "political and economic sacrifices"???? Man, where have you been for the last forty years? The fucking diplomats haven't tried? Give your head a shake. Diplomats have talked and negotiated 'til they're blue in the face time and again.

What I am is a realist.

Of course I'm sick and tired of hearing about the shit in the Middle East, I'm sick of seeing pics of eight-year-olds holding automatic weapons and vowing to kill their enemies at all costs, I'm sick of hearing about a fresh terrorist bombing every other week, and I'm sick of seeing thousands of them all jumping around in the streets over there like fucking idiots.

Being the realist that I am, I know two things: 1) The Palestinians want back all of the land that Israel occupies, and 2) Israel isn't going to move.

Once you accept those two points as fact, you'll then realize that the people involving themselves in that conflict don't want a peaceful solution, they don't want peace, they aren't willing to listen to you, and if they do listen to you they will still go away after you're done talking and they will continue to do as they have always done.

Kill each other.


"Dude"..... there is going to be more bloodshed over this latest assassination. That will cause Israel to hit even harder, and on and on it will go. My only point was that the only possible outcome I see to this is that Israel go all-out, hunt down and destroy everything that is terroristic in nature. Tough shit if the world then hates them for it, they are pretty much ostracized if not hated by much of the world already so they don't lose much.


But yeah, go ahead and suggest your "peaceful workable solution".... maybe get Arafat's email address and run it by him. Good luck with that.

How about give them all one week to vacate the region, then nuke it down to a 1,000-mile-wide bowl of smoking glass?

Then in about fifty years the inhabitants can return to their "holy land" and try to get it right. :thumbsup

so it'd be ok with you if the Native Americans started lobbing rockets to get 'their land' back cuz they had it first and somehow managed to loose it throughout history?

see, I'd totally go for that, buttttt to help pay for the cost of the nucs & cleanup we'd have to do, I'd rather go for the pure old school 'let's liberate' their asses route...so we can try to recapture some of the revnue lost during our 'liberation' of the region...

I'm sure we could regain some cashflow from charging them money to come back and visit their old neighborhoods...

"Cleanup"?? Vos iss dat cleanup?


There is no cleanup. The region is rendered uninhabitable for fifty years. After the radiation down to a safe level, everyone that wants to can move back and do the "cleanup" themselves. Hopefully most of the present war-mongering generation will have died off by then and they can get a fresh start. Hopefully they'd learn to live like humans.

Killing them is a solution, it's just an UNFORTUNATE one. It's a shame there are not more people that think a non violent solution is an option. Those that propose them tend to end up executed by their own people, rather pathetic. You have your opinion, I have mine, i disagree with you. I wont argue with you further, it's pointless.

Do they realyy need to do that?
it's sick... just sick.

If you look into this more you will see that the Palestinians dont won't this "resolved". During the Clinton administration Arafat got just about everything he wanted in the Wye River accord. They bent over backwards and gave into him.

He didnt accept the proposal. The Palestinians have stated time and time again that they want to "drive the Jews into the sea". Sitting accross from the table from them, negotiating with someone that hates your very being, must be difficult.

The Palestinians never had a home land. this is not their country. No country in the region wants them. Why do you think that is? The Palestinian Authority has received many of your tax dollars for improving the infrastructure of their regions. They haven't. The Israeli army has had Arafat in their cross hairs before. They haven't shot him. Maybe they should, as long as no one else is killed. Would that be ok? Wait, maybe we should put him on trial first. I don't think so. It isn't necessary.

When the Israeli's run the Temple Mount, everyone is welcome to a place of worship. But when it is turned over to the Palestinian Authority, access is limited.

If you haven't been, it is hard to describe. Your right, the Jews aren't leaving. Jews from around the world will come to live their if need be. Have we done everything right over there? No. Have we made mistakes? Yes. But, will we ever give up? No. It is our homeland, a very small piece of land. Was it the land of milk and honey, no. It was the land of sand and rock. No one wanted the area. NO ONE! It was divided up out of the countries surrounding it . It built by sweat and blood. The Palestinians wouldn't even be there had it not been for the Brits.

Let me tell you about Radar Hill in Israel. This will give you an idea of what the Israelis planned for. Radar Hill is where the Army displays old tanks from each of the previous wars. Much the same as we here in America display old planes, or other vehicles. Except for one thing. As you're going down the line looking at the tanks, you get to the end and you see an empty concrete slab. . . . it is for the tank from the next war that the Israelis win. This is the mentality.

The Israelis know that they only get one loss. That is why they fight so hard.

I could go on, but you probably stopped reading my rant anyways.

Do you realise that what you say makes no sense?
Oh did they bend over backwards? In order for a Palestinian state to exist the settlements must be removed.

Actually I was just watching a documentary and Sharon's long time friend was talking, you know the mayor of a settlement called Ariel? He said clearly that Sharon creates settlement in Palestine in order to cut off any possibility for a Palestinian state to exist. So who exactly doesn't want peace?

No I haven't been and what exactly is hard to describe? Your unhealthy addiction to religion? As far as I'm concerned, all those religious temples in there should be destroyed so we can get over this idiocy. I'm sure your Gods wants you to kill for some lame ass piece of temple.

Enough lies. The Palestinians where in there and everybody knows that. And no it's not your homeland, you came to that land and took it by force. Do you realise that? So no matter how you put it, you where even less in there than the Palestinians.

Actually, according to pretty much ALL written records, the Jews were there first. And the Jews are there now. And the Jews had to fight wars to defend their land. They won the last several. Crack a history book. Crack open the bible of your choice, it's all in there. If you don't want to buy one they usually have them in hotel rooms.

When you get to the part about Moses finding the Promised Land, you might want to think about where that land was, how they got there, and why they left the old land.

Read up on the Six-Day War. You'll learn who actually owned which lands immediately before Israel won them back. And you'll notice that there is no mention of "Palestine" or "Palestinians".

Roger, you talk a lot about things you have no understanding of.

I challenge you to go there. Go to Israel. Go into Gaza. Go into the West Bank. Talk to some of the people there. Feel the tension. Feel how safe you feel. Then perhaps you will begin your trail to enlightenment. Until that happens, any words you say will be based on intentional ignorance.

There were only 'Savages' there before the Jews exodus from Egypt.

But yeah... I really do actually feel for the Israeli people, it's not right for people to have to live in fear like they do, the problems need to be sorted out one way or another very soon for everyone in the region. A peaceful solution would be prefferable but like everyone says, they can't see it happening.

Oh so you're going back to centuries old history now? If everyone is gonna do that there'll be endless wars because this land used to belong to this guy and this other land used to belong to that community, etc. That's a sorry excuse.

According to you there's no Palestinians and there were no people in there when Israel took the country :)
Fact is, they went there and took over a country that was supposedly theirs a few hundred years ago. I guess it's time for every country to do the same now?
So tell me something. If there's no Palestine, then surely those who're living in West Bank and Gaza are Israelis no?

Oh no I have a clear understanding of racism. Had an opportunity to talk with plenty of Christian and Israeli extremists in my country and a few Muslim extremists in Latin America. Amazing how talkative people can be. They're all screwed up and living in a fantasy world trying to make up an excuse to hate the other one and deny them there rights. I also noticed that there's really no use arguing with them. They rarely respond to questions and come up with some other excuse to hate a whole race.

Actually I too blindly hated Muslims and Palestinians, there's even some of that hate left in me.

Seriously though what's your solution? Israelis are not gonna leave and neither are Palestinians. How are you gonna deal with the situation? Bloodshed?

:BangBang:

What's YOUR solution bigshot? More diplomacy?




Look, I'm all for a peaceful solution over there, but over the past forty years I've kept tabs on the news and there has rarely been a break in the war bullshit for more than a few months at a time in that region. People are sick to death of it. People living in that region are passing down their hatred to their kids, so the bombings and horrible acts of terrorism will continue forever, unless one side renders the other incapable of further terrorism. Without leaders, their ability to fight is severely curtailed.


And those trying to make this wheelchair guy out to be a poor old defenseless cripple are absolutely brain-dead in my view.

My solution is a Palestinian state. As long as there's no such thing I don't see any hope of stopping the violence.

Heuh? It'll take a genocide to do what you're suggesting.

But what about all the palestinians who say they won't be happy until they drive the Israelis into the sea? There are several of them. Your solution only works on part of the problem.

I'm not suggesting it, I am predicting it. Big difference.

And what about all the Israelis who say they won't be happy if Israel is divided into two states? As time goes by, I believe that this kind of thinking will be less and less common.

No need to assume the worst. As long as people have there basic rights taken care of, they won't create much trouble.

Everything is possible.

In this case, I disagree. I think you have your head up in the clouds my friend. Those of us down here on Earth who have watched this shit unfold for decades know there will be no compromise, on either side. Peaceful solutions have been tried and suggested time after time, and every time, before you know it, *BOOM*, another fucking terrorist levels a busy market or incinerates a bus full of kids.


Be real.



The old man wasn't "innocent", and the killing will continue. This I know.

It's mostly due to crappy leaders that they have. As the ex-chief of Israel's intelligence service says "They're not leaders, they're followers". You gotta have faith in people. Most of them really want peace. Freedom doesn't usually bring more violence.

The creation of a Palestinian state would ease up lots of tension and end the humiliation and the occupation. Of course that won't happen with Sharon in place but the Israelis are already sick and tired of him.

Damn forgot about this thread,, im going to be cutting heads now. lots of fresh material to work with.

But to sum it all up..

Fuck the history , fuck who owned the land previously.

Stop killing people you morons..

Thats what it boils down to.. No argument needed for that.

You cant really argue or disagree with that theory.

Any murder is wrong. If you were the last person to commit it, your the one to blame..

The problem with this theory is that for every leader they assassinate without a trial, 9 more spring up. :2 cents: This is not the right approach to a peaceful solution and seems intended to expand the conflict, not contain it.

I hate people who think the bible is some law we should all follow.

fuck that land.

fuck moses.

fuck your biblical bullcrap man.

i hope they all perish in a fucking desert of bnlood.

ive read the bible more than most of you and to be honest, I cant wait for Revelation.

hopefully the lord will take all you fucking bible lovers and leave us pagans, and atheists alone, and leave us here so we can repopulate the earth with intelligent people instead of people who are willing to die over biblical land.

they call people like that "FANATICS."

crack a dictionary and look it up.

Hey, I'm not saying believe in it, show blind faith, follow the path to righteousness, etc. I'm pointing out its historical value - that it chronicled the events that transpired.

Thus, the land originally belonged to the Jews.

Newspapers tell you why it currently belongs to the Jews. Or don't you believe in newspapers either?

Well, how far back in history do you care to go back to? Jews in turn invaded the Canaanites and Philistines were there originally and so were the Phoenicians, or did you think Phoenicians just one day decided to relocate to Africa for a change of venue? :1orglaugh