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  • StuartD
    Sofa King Band
    • Jul 2002
    • 29903

    #1

    I'm so sick of you cheap ass webmasters

    I'm sick of people complaining over $100, I'm sick of people complaining over $1 fees, I'm sick of people demanding 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, I'm sick of people wanting 3 days of programming done in 2 hours for a quarter of the price, I'm sick of people wanting virtual hosting for 2 cents a gig and $2 a month and only pushing .5 megabits with their 10k tpg, I'm sick of people demanding processing with no processing fees and no visa fee and yet being surprised when the processor is gone 2 months later.

    Grow up folks... you can only get stuff for so cheap before the stuff you gets just isn't quality anymore.

    If you want 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, be glad it has any thumbs on it at all.

    If you want 3 days of programming in 2 hours for cheap... be glad the text links even work.

    If you want 2 cent a gig hosting on a server with 2000 other sites, be glad your website loads at all.

    If you want to nickle and dime a processor and somehow assume they'll just pull money out of the air to keep in operation, be glad they still exist at all a year later.

    Somewhere along the way, the meaning of business got messed up. It's not about screwing each other over for signups, it's not about getting the most for the cheapest you possibly can.

    It's about creating something and doing something you can be proud of. It's about quality, it's about gaining and earning respect from peers who do the same. You don't sacrifice your own vision just to get the business of the cheap ass who won't pay for what you are worth.

    You get what you pay for folks.. if you pay me a nickle, I'll give you a nickles worth of work.

    End of story.
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  • Martin
    "Assassins"
    • Dec 2001
    • 17277

    #2
    . <--- know what that is?

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    • LadyMischief
      Orgasms N Such!
      • Sep 2002
      • 18135

      #3
      The age of the blowout has caused it's destruction... Fortunately the people who know the value of a WELL DONE good or service know that it's worth paying a little more for .... Overall, I couldn't agree more.


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      • Kimmykim
        bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
        • Jun 2001
        • 16015

        #4
        I agree.

        You don't go to the Mercedes dealership and expect to pay a Kia price.

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        • gornyhuy
          Chafed.
          • May 2002
          • 18041

          #5
          Go mainstream... its a totally different mindset.

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          • DBS.US
            Geo Cities
            • Aug 2003
            • 11843

            #6
            Ya, what he said
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            • Tuga
              Confirmed User
              • Nov 2002
              • 7678

              #7
              bump.

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              • Tuga
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2002
                • 7678

                #8
                True.

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                • Nicky
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 30071

                  #9
                  I agree with ya, there are cheap ass webmasters around....... I never complain on paying, not if I make money from it..... sure I try to negoatiate a good price, but thats cause this is bussiness, if both parts are still happy in the end in fine with it.......

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                  • Steen2
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 7662

                    #10
                    Originally posted by MaskedMan
                    I'm sick of people complaining over $100, I'm sick of people complaining over $1 fees, I'm sick of people demanding 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, I'm sick of people wanting 3 days of programming done in 2 hours for a quarter of the price, I'm sick of people wanting virtual hosting for 2 cents a gig and $2 a month and only pushing .5 megabits with their 10k tpg, I'm sick of people demanding processing with no processing fees and no visa fee and yet being surprised when the processor is gone 2 months later.

                    Grow up folks... you can only get stuff for so cheap before the stuff you gets just isn't quality anymore.

                    If you want 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, be glad it has any thumbs on it at all.

                    If you want 3 days of programming in 2 hours for cheap... be glad the text links even work.

                    If you want 2 cent a gig hosting on a server with 2000 other sites, be glad your website loads at all.

                    If you want to nickle and dime a processor and somehow assume they'll just pull money out of the air to keep in operation, be glad they still exist at all a year later.

                    Somewhere along the way, the meaning of business got messed up. It's not about screwing each other over for signups, it's not about getting the most for the cheapest you possibly can.

                    It's about creating something and doing something you can be proud of. It's about quality, it's about gaining and earning respect from peers who do the same. You don't sacrifice your own vision just to get the business of the cheap ass who won't pay for what you are worth.

                    You get what you pay for folks.. if you pay me a nickle, I'll give you a nickles worth of work.

                    End of story.
                    I totally agree.

                    Cheep people in general.

                    And people complain things these days aren't made like they used to be.

                    People just aren't paying for good quality things
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                    • Oracle Porn
                      Affiliate
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 24433

                      #11
                      I'm jewish... cheapness is in my blood


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                      • Steve
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2001
                        • 6894

                        #12
                        It's usually the guys that try to nickle and dime everything that are the ones bitching over poor quality.

                        Good service comes with a price.

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                        • Chris
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                          • May 2003
                          • 27880

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                          I'm jewish... cheapness is in my blood
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                          • maxjohan
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                            • Dec 2002
                            • 7219

                            #14
                            Give me $10 and I start to make galleries for you... only expect galleries that work .



                            I need your content too.

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                            • B40
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 7020

                              #15
                              Agreed.

                              There's nothing wrong with being cheap, just expect to get what you pay for. Obviously if someone's willing to do the same work for a lower price, you'd go with that person, given everything else is the same.

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                              • BMI Lace
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                                • Mar 2004
                                • 16116

                                #16
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                                • Oracle Porn
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                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 24433

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Oracle Porn
                                  I'm jewish... cheapness is in my blood
                                  We've been cheap for over 5 million years!


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                                  • jact
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                                    • Sep 2002
                                    • 9134

                                    #18
                                    Amen. Try selling content, fucking cheapasses come out of the woodwork.
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                                    • Plan9
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                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 1801

                                      #19
                                      Can we add another one?

                                      How about the fucking 25-50 dollar logo and design contests?

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                                      • B40
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2001
                                        • 7020

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Plan9
                                        Can we add another one?

                                        How about the fucking 25-50 dollar logo and design contests?
                                        It's amazing how many entries a $50 logo contest will get though....

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                                        • StuartD
                                          Sofa King Band
                                          • Jul 2002
                                          • 29903

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Plan9
                                          Can we add another one?

                                          How about the fucking 25-50 dollar logo and design contests?
                                          Yes... absolutely. $50 for a logo... it just starts getting funny at that point.

                                          Jact, you're right, I knew I was forgetting that.... content, paying $2 to $5 for a photo set and wondering why the photographer doesn't have a proper lighting kit. How are they supposed to buy equipment and stuff on $2 a set?!?!

                                          gornyguy, I came to porn from mainstream. I know exactly what it's all about and it's a big reason why I shake my head at a lot of people in this industry.
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                                          • okny
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                                            • Aug 2002
                                            • 5761

                                            #22
                                            I hear you on that man, but i dont take it to the head i just tell it how it is, if they dont like then i guess they will have to find someone else.
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                                            • Quotealex
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Sep 2001
                                              • 6265

                                              #23
                                              What's wrong with being frugal!

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                                              • PMdave
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Dec 2003
                                                • 1517

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by MaskedMan


                                                Jact, you're right, I knew I was forgetting that.... content, paying $2 to $5 for a photo set and wondering why the photographer doesn't have a proper lighting kit. How are they supposed to buy equipment and stuff on $2 a set?!?!

                                                You are right
                                                on many points, but IMHO there is nothing wrong with bargainbasementcontent.

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                                                • FreeHugeMovies
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Dec 2001
                                                  • 14141

                                                  #25
                                                  Does this mean you aren't going to pay me the $5 dollars you owe me?

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                                                  • doornx
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                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                    • 2531

                                                    #26
                                                    mainstream has lost it and porn is too cheap indeed

                                                    we need to be in the middle..we aren't asking $50 an hour for design work but a little over $5 is needed indeed
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                                                    • Oracle Porn
                                                      Affiliate
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 24433

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by doornx
                                                      mainstream has lost it and porn is too cheap indeed

                                                      we need to be in the middle..we aren't asking $50 an hour for design work but a little over $5 is needed indeed
                                                      If a logo or gallery templates takes over 1 hour you need to move your ass more quick nigga!


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                                                      • BradM
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                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                        • 3397

                                                        #28
                                                        Stu.... I been feeling the same way lately. I agree with your post 100%.

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                                                        • Tala
                                                          Fucked if I know
                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                          • 23368

                                                          #29
                                                          AGREED.

                                                          I tried to say this the other day and got blasted a bit for it, but at the same time, I was referring only to writers. It should work this way for all content or service providers, IMHO.

                                                          Good thread.

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                                                          • okny
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                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 5761

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by doornx
                                                            mainstream has lost it and porn is too cheap indeed

                                                            we need to be in the middle..we aren't asking $50 an hour for design work but a little over $5 is needed indeed
                                                            Depending on the quality of course, i mean if you pay someone $10 an hour for design work, you will get what you pay for.
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                                                            • Kamilla36D
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                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 605

                                                              #31
                                                              I agree - but I assume alot of those cheap webmasters are newbies that still aren't making money and thus need the cheapest possible to get going...
                                                              I don't mind paying but I do on occasion ask for discounts etc - ya never know
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                                                              • StuartD
                                                                Sofa King Band
                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                • 29903

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Kamilla36D
                                                                I agree - but I assume alot of those cheap webmasters are newbies that still aren't making money and thus need the cheapest possible to get going...
                                                                I don't mind paying but I do on occasion ask for discounts etc - ya never know
                                                                no, I agree... only spend what ever is in your budget.

                                                                However, you should strive to go beyond that eventually... not stick with it.

                                                                Increase your income and increase your quality... therefore increasing your income further.

                                                                If you've been in this business for 12 months now and are still buying the cheapest of what ever you can find because it's all you can afford, I suggest looking for new employment. Burger King is always hiring.
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                                                                • B40
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                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 7020

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by MaskedMan

                                                                  If you've been in this business for 12 months now and are still buying the cheapest of what ever you can find because it's all you can afford, I suggest looking for new employment. Burger King is always hiring.
                                                                  I'll always be looking to get the most bang for my buck...

                                                                  It's the way I was raised...plus I'm going into a career with purchasing/cost accounting..

                                                                  Of course I don't look at price only, but it is one of the factors I consider, along with the other obvious things like quality, reliability etc.

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                                                                  • 180°
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                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                    • 248

                                                                    #34
                                                                    A Fuckin' MEN !!!!



                                                                    My prices are in the bassment for my quality of work and people still try to get every penny out of me. I understand haggling and I'm all for it BUT as the original post said, people just don't seem to grasp how much this stuff is actually worth.
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                                                                    • IPK
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                                                                      • Sep 2003
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      everyone's just trying to get the best deal they can.
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                                                                      • LadyMischief
                                                                        Orgasms N Such!
                                                                        • Sep 2002
                                                                        • 18135

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by IPK
                                                                        everyone's just trying to get the best deal they can.
                                                                        Getting a deal is one thing. Being a penny pincher in the extreme is another. Everyone wants a good deal.

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                                                                        • Webby
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                                                                          • Oct 2002
                                                                          • 14956

                                                                          #37
                                                                          MaskedMan

                                                                          The "real biz" comes from the 5% of your clients - the 95% are a load of shit and not worth a dime.

                                                                          The situation is the same with sponsors... 5% do profitable business and the rest are a bunch of bedroom "webmasters" who consume 95% of your resources and whine all day long.

                                                                          Select who you want to deal with and dump the crap
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                                                                          • Shoehorn!
                                                                            Die With Your Boots On
                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                            • 22872

                                                                            #38
                                                                            You get what you pay for. If you buy cheap stuff then it will show.

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                                                                            • Sly_RJ
                                                                              Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                              • 17042

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by jact
                                                                              Amen. Try selling content, fucking cheapasses come out of the woodwork.
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                                                                              • jact
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                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                • 9134

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                Try selling hosting.
                                                                                True, you get to deal with the cheap asses who just steal content and want an outrageous deal on bandwidth.
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                                                                                • Sly_RJ
                                                                                  Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                  • 17042

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by jact
                                                                                  True, you get to deal with the cheap asses who just steal content and want an outrageous deal on bandwidth.
                                                                                  And don't forget the buddy deals. You know, the guys who say "hey you gave my buddy X for $X, give me the same deal!" Of course, they fail to mention how many servers their buddy has.

                                                                                  Oh, and then you have the guys who rack up huge overage bills and think they shouldn't have to pay for it. It isn't their fault The Hun listed their largest movie gallery...
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                                                                                  • jact
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                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 9134

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Sly_RJ

                                                                                    And don't forget the buddy deals. You know, the guys who say "hey you gave my buddy X for $X, give me the same deal!" Of course, they fail to mention how many servers their buddy has.

                                                                                    Oh, and then you have the guys who rack up huge overage bills and think they shouldn't have to pay for it. It isn't their fault The Hun listed their largest movie gallery...
                                                                                    Believe me, I used to run an internet provider with tens of thousands of customers. You wouldn't believe some of the excuses we'd hear for them not wanting to pay their overage fees on web use or excess usage on dialup over their alloted time. I feel your pain.
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                                                                                    • Brujah
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                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                      • 22157

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      On the other hand, there are a lot of mediocre talents in this industry too. They get $20 maybe because they weren't capable of $200 work. Because they suddenly think they learned paintshop pro or bought a $250 digital camera and call themselves a photographer. But hey, many times thats all you need to get the job done. So quit bitching because a guy just needs a $10 logo to slap on his page. Quit bitching when someone isn't interested in your shit because your portfolio is SPECTACULAR and yet the piece of work you are trying to pass off to him looks like a monkey did it. Quit fucking bitching because he needed some filler text for his free page and you somehow translated that to needing pulitzer work. Whether you want to face it or not, a LOT of people that work in the industry don't possess the quality to demand better prices in the first place. It's often easier to outsource most things because you get decent quality for cheaper prices and less attitude. Everyone thinks they're a fucking DaVinci. Chew on that.

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                                                                                      • Sly_RJ
                                                                                        Live Hard - Die Hard
                                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                                        • 17042

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                        On the other hand, there are a lot of mediocre talents in this industry too. They get $20 maybe because they weren't capable of $200 work. Because they suddenly think they learned paintshop pro or bought a $250 digital camera and call themselves a photographer. But hey, many times thats all you need to get the job done. So quit bitching because a guy just needs a $10 logo to slap on his page. Quit bitching when someone isn't interested in your shit because your portfolio is SPECTACULAR and yet the piece of work you are trying to pass off to him looks like a monkey did it. Quit fucking bitching because he needed some filler text for his free page and you somehow translated that to needing pulitzer work. Whether you want to face it or not, a LOT of people that work in the industry don't possess the quality to demand better prices in the first place. It's often easier to outsource most things because you get decent quality for cheaper prices and less attitude. Everyone thinks they're a fucking DaVinci. Chew on that.
                                                                                        Hehe. This is spot on as well. I have a list of people I wish I never used...
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                                                                                        • hoe_vender
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                                                                                          • Dec 2003
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          I talking about those other guys
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                                                                                          • blackmonsters
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                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                            • 20960

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            When people get tire of their stuff not working and not producing then they will realize that they need tp pay for something decent.

                                                                                            I fell for the discount BS when I first bought some content.
                                                                                            "$200 for 4000 pics". Only two pics was worth a dime.
                                                                                            I got a refund and paid $145 for 200 pics and shut the fuck up.

                                                                                            The seller actually warned me that the cheap stuff was shit but he sells it anyway because some cheap bastard will think they got away with something by buying it.
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                                                                                            • Quotealex
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                                                                                              • Sep 2001
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by MaskedMan
                                                                                              If you've been in this business for 12 months now and are still buying the cheapest of what ever you can find because it's all you can afford, I suggest looking for new employment. Burger King is always hiring.
                                                                                              Can't we use the Walmart business model (as they bigger,they buy cheaper)? What's wrong with that?

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                                                                                              • jact
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                                                                                                • Sep 2002
                                                                                                • 9134

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Alex from Montreal


                                                                                                Can't we use the Walmart business model (as they bigger,they buy cheaper)? What's wrong with that?
                                                                                                It's clearly obvious from this thread that we aren't talking about the people buying more and thus deserving a discount. We're talking about the people who are nickle and diming for one template, or processor fees, or content, or hosting, or whatever. Not big purchasers by any means.
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                                                                                                • StuartD
                                                                                                  Sofa King Band
                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                  • 29903

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Alex from Montreal


                                                                                                  Can't we use the Walmart business model (as they bigger,they buy cheaper)? What's wrong with that?
                                                                                                  Buying bulk is very different from what I'm talking about. If you can fill a 100 megabit pipe all by yourself, I expect you'll get cheaper bandwidth.

                                                                                                  But like I said, if you have a 10k tgp and are expecting to get the deals that 1mil tgps get.... think again.
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                                                                                                  • toddler
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                                                                                                    • Jun 2002
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    the funniest thing about the parent post? I still make PLENTY of cash doing design work, programming and admin. Know why? I don't take customers in adult anymore. Cheap fucking bastards.
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