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Ic3m4nZ · 03-21-2004, 07:17 PM

50 cheap ass webmasters.

Brujah · 03-21-2004, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by Ic3m4nZ
50 cheap ass webmasters.

Probably more like 500 of them.

Living For Today · 03-21-2004, 07:51 PM

content does seem to be going extremely cheap these dyas.

AaronM · 03-21-2004, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
I'm sick of people complaining over $100, I'm sick of people complaining over $1 fees, I'm sick of people demanding 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, I'm sick of people wanting 3 days of programming done in 2 hours for a quarter of the price, I'm sick of people wanting virtual hosting for 2 cents a gig and $2 a month and only pushing .5 megabits with their 10k tpg, I'm sick of people demanding processing with no processing fees and no visa fee and yet being surprised when the processor is gone 2 months later.

Grow up folks... you can only get stuff for so cheap before the stuff you gets just isn't quality anymore.

If you want 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, be glad it has any thumbs on it at all.

If you want 3 days of programming in 2 hours for cheap... be glad the text links even work.

If you want 2 cent a gig hosting on a server with 2000 other sites, be glad your website loads at all.

If you want to nickle and dime a processor and somehow assume they'll just pull money out of the air to keep in operation, be glad they still exist at all a year later.

Somewhere along the way, the meaning of business got messed up. It's not about screwing each other over for signups, it's not about getting the most for the cheapest you possibly can.

It's about creating something and doing something you can be proud of. It's about quality, it's about gaining and earning respect from peers who do the same. You don't sacrifice your own vision just to get the business of the cheap ass who won't pay for what you are worth.

You get what you pay for folks.. if you pay me a nickle, I'll give you a nickles worth of work.

End of story.

And that is exactly why I don't look for business on these boards.

Rock on bro...see you in Phoenix.

loverboy · 03-21-2004, 08:12 PM

true and this BUMP is for you

Basic_man · 03-21-2004, 08:13 PM

I think youre right !

Ash@phpFX · 03-21-2004, 08:16 PM

i agree, i know some webmasters that are super cheap

Huggles · 03-21-2004, 09:44 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
I'm sick of people complaining over $100, I'm sick of people complaining over $1 fees, I'm sick of people demanding 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, I'm sick of people wanting 3 days of programming done in 2 hours for a quarter of the price, I'm sick of people wanting virtual hosting for 2 cents a gig and $2 a month and only pushing .5 megabits with their 10k tpg, I'm sick of people demanding processing with no processing fees and no visa fee and yet being surprised when the processor is gone 2 months later.

Grow up folks... you can only get stuff for so cheap before the stuff you gets just isn't quality anymore.

If you want 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, be glad it has any thumbs on it at all.

If you want 3 days of programming in 2 hours for cheap... be glad the text links even work.

If you want 2 cent a gig hosting on a server with 2000 other sites, be glad your website loads at all.

If you want to nickle and dime a processor and somehow assume they'll just pull money out of the air to keep in operation, be glad they still exist at all a year later.

Somewhere along the way, the meaning of business got messed up. It's not about screwing each other over for signups, it's not about getting the most for the cheapest you possibly can.

It's about creating something and doing something you can be proud of. It's about quality, it's about gaining and earning respect from peers who do the same. You don't sacrifice your own vision just to get the business of the cheap ass who won't pay for what you are worth.

You get what you pay for folks.. if you pay me a nickle, I'll give you a nickles worth of work.

End of story.

I agree.

Babagirls · 03-21-2004, 09:45 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
I agree.

You don't go to the Mercedes dealership and expect to pay a Kia price.

couldnt have put it better myself.

SleazyDream · 03-21-2004, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by AaronM

And that is exactly why I don't look for business on these boards.

Rock on bro...see you in Phoenix.

he only says that cause you'll be sharing a room with him in phoenix and the KY jelly slids in easier if you arn't tensing your ass muscles.

James Greuel · 03-21-2004, 10:31 PM

The age of the blowout has caused it's destruction... Fortunately the people who know the value of a WELL DONE good or service know that it's worth paying a little more for .... Overall, I couldn't agree more.

Amen

If you want some good, semi exclusive content do a google on my name, and then "THe Prettiest Girls In Texas."

You want some good content?

Let me know.

James

StuartD · 03-21-2004, 11:02 PM

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Originally posted by James Greuel
Amen

If you want some good, semi exclusive content do a google on my name, and then "THe Prettiest Girls In Texas."

You want some good content?

Let me know.

James

I was wondering when someone would use this as an opportunity to spam their crap.

Don't you wish you weren't the first. Way to single yourself out from the rest

riosluts · 03-21-2004, 11:08 PM

The reason why some many webmasters are cheap is because they dont want to lose more money than what they make. They dont want to pay $100 a month for hosting and only make $50. They dont want to pay $200 for a site design and get no signups on it.

StuartD · 03-21-2004, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by riosluts
The reason why some many webmasters are cheap is because they dont want to lose more money than what they make. They dont want to pay $100 a month for hosting and only make $50. They dont want to pay $200 for a site design and get no signups on it.

Bull. It's business. Everyone runs that risk the moment they learn what money is.

Everyone knows you have to spend money to make money. It's not a cliche.

If you expect to be successful by constantly being in fear of losing money one month on your hosting, think again.

Just because we have more liberties than most other industries in the world, don't ever forget that we do business just like the rest of them.
And your "fear" of losing money one month is something that happens in ALL of them.

SureFire · 03-21-2004, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by riosluts
The reason why some many webmasters are cheap is because they dont want to lose more money than what they make. They dont want to pay $100 a month for hosting and only make $50. They dont want to pay $200 for a site design and get no signups on it.

Expand your mind.

DrewKole · 03-21-2004, 11:18 PM

What a waste of 30 seconds of my time.

Sleazy-esque.

Rictor · 03-21-2004, 11:29 PM

I'm cheap and proud of it.

Paul Markham · 03-21-2004, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by Steve
It's usually the guys that try to nickle and dime everything that are the ones bitching over poor quality.

Good service comes with a price.

Right on.

The guys who want it for nothing are the ones who want the best quality, not over sold and for you to bend over backwards. Probably because they are making diddly squat.

The guys who buy the good content are the ones retaining and converting and know if it's put there for $1 it's crap, can't sell for any other reason than it's cheap and will not make them the same money as good stuff.

You want to make $$$$? Then invest $$

psyko514 · 03-21-2004, 11:37 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmykim
I agree.

You don't go to the Mercedes dealership and expect to pay a Kia price.

But if someone offered you a Mercedes for the price of a Kia and the Mercedes was in near-mint condition, would you say "No thanks."?

schiz · 03-21-2004, 11:40 PM

Nice post!

StuartD · 03-22-2004, 12:26 AM

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Originally posted by schiz
Nice post!

Thanx

SomeCreep · 03-22-2004, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan

You get what you pay for folks.. if you pay me a nickle, I'll give you a nickles worth of work.

As the market becomes more saturated with designers, programmers, webhosts, etc, demand for them goes down and so does the price. Competition goes up, hence you will see people charging a nickle for a dime's worth of work just to beat the competition.

graphicsbytia · 03-22-2004, 03:16 AM

I feel the same way .. I got sick of feeling like one of the cattle in the drive.. that's why I started this designers forum. Btw.. this is not my board, I just borrowed a forum from Good Chris, it's not for profit, but more for the adult design industry in general

http://www.xmasterboard.com/xmb-bin/viewtopic.php?t=36

McKracken · 03-22-2004, 03:57 AM

im tired of copyright infringement...

hova · 03-22-2004, 04:16 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
I'm sick of people complaining over $100, I'm sick of people complaining over $1 fees, I'm sick of people demanding 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, I'm sick of people wanting 3 days of programming done in 2 hours for a quarter of the price, I'm sick of people wanting virtual hosting for 2 cents a gig and $2 a month and only pushing .5 megabits with their 10k tpg, I'm sick of people demanding processing with no processing fees and no visa fee and yet being surprised when the processor is gone 2 months later.

Grow up folks... you can only get stuff for so cheap before the stuff you gets just isn't quality anymore.

If you want 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, be glad it has any thumbs on it at all.

If you want 3 days of programming in 2 hours for cheap... be glad the text links even work.

If you want 2 cent a gig hosting on a server with 2000 other sites, be glad your website loads at all.

If you want to nickle and dime a processor and somehow assume they'll just pull money out of the air to keep in operation, be glad they still exist at all a year later.

Somewhere along the way, the meaning of business got messed up. It's not about screwing each other over for signups, it's not about getting the most for the cheapest you possibly can.

It's about creating something and doing something you can be proud of. It's about quality, it's about gaining and earning respect from peers who do the same. You don't sacrifice your own vision just to get the business of the cheap ass who won't pay for what you are worth.

You get what you pay for folks.. if you pay me a nickle, I'll give you a nickles worth of work.

End of story.

Can I get a amen?? This is so tre, I could not have said it better. Great post man!

Krille · 03-22-2004, 04:23 AM

cheap is good

stevent37 · 03-22-2004, 05:41 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
it's not about getting the most for the cheapest you possibly can.

ummm yes it it is.
If some one is selling a cadalac at kia prices Im buying, its called supply and demand. Dont get pissed at the buyer get pissed at the 5 million content brokers/designers etc that are opening up shop every day.
Face it with the falling price and ease of use of softeware, digital reproduction material etc some formally high paying jobs are becoming obsolete. What used to require a 20k investment and 4 yrs of formal schooling can now be done with 1k and a month of self teaching. add that to the fact that the internet has made most commerce global meaning and american designer that lives in california with a $800 a month rent payment is competing for my business against a Russian desiner with a $200 a month rent payment and you can imagine who is setting the lower price and going to get the job.

Newton - XXXAmigoz · 03-22-2004, 07:12 AM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan
I'm sick of people complaining over $100, I'm sick of people complaining over $1 fees, I'm sick of people demanding 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, I'm sick of people wanting 3 days of programming done in 2 hours for a quarter of the price, I'm sick of people wanting virtual hosting for 2 cents a gig and $2 a month and only pushing .5 megabits with their 10k tpg, I'm sick of people demanding processing with no processing fees and no visa fee and yet being surprised when the processor is gone 2 months later.

Grow up folks... you can only get stuff for so cheap before the stuff you gets just isn't quality anymore.

If you want 20 galleries in a night for $10 each, be glad it has any thumbs on it at all.

If you want 3 days of programming in 2 hours for cheap... be glad the text links even work.

If you want 2 cent a gig hosting on a server with 2000 other sites, be glad your website loads at all.

If you want to nickle and dime a processor and somehow assume they'll just pull money out of the air to keep in operation, be glad they still exist at all a year later.

Somewhere along the way, the meaning of business got messed up. It's not about screwing each other over for signups, it's not about getting the most for the cheapest you possibly can.

It's about creating something and doing something you can be proud of. It's about quality, it's about gaining and earning respect from peers who do the same. You don't sacrifice your own vision just to get the business of the cheap ass who won't pay for what you are worth.

You get what you pay for folks.. if you pay me a nickle, I'll give you a nickles worth of work.

End of story.

What a sweet post .. never a truer word spoken .. I commend your comments and applaud them ..

B40 · 03-22-2004, 07:19 AM

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Originally posted by stevent37

ummm yes it it is.
If some one is selling a cadalac at kia prices Im buying, its called supply and demand. Dont get pissed at the buyer get pissed at the 5 million content brokers/designers etc that are opening up shop every day.
Face it with the falling price and ease of use of softeware, digital reproduction material etc some formally high paying jobs are becoming obsolete. What used to require a 20k investment and 4 yrs of formal schooling can now be done with 1k and a month of self teaching. add that to the fact that the internet has made most commerce global meaning and american designer that lives in california with a $800 a month rent payment is competing for my business against a Russian desiner with a $200 a month rent payment and you can imagine who is setting the lower price and going to get the job.

The level of competition among the smaller players is increasing. Cheap designers for example are a dime a dozen nowadays, and people are starting to expect more for less.

I started a thread asking people if they would pay to post on GFY, and everyone said no, called me a dumbass etc. But, how many people started out in the industry (and dilute it) by just reading this board, starting off with selling their sig, posting on boards for prizes etc. before they realize they can make more by building galleries and sites, or doing some design work.

The barriers of entry to this market are non existent, and it will hurt the industry. All a person really needs is a computer and internet access to get started. Free content, free hosting, $50 logo contest,etc is all out there.

The big players are going to get bigger, and the small players are going to continue to get poorer, but still continue to grow in size as every 18 year old kid thinks there's lots of easy money to be made in porn and enters the biz.

Interesting to see what will happen in the next couple years, but I don't see much changing. 3% of the webmasters will be 'big players', another 10-20% average or so, and the rest will be the sig whore, 2 signups a month kind of guy.

StuartD · 03-22-2004, 08:35 AM

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Originally posted by stevent37

ummm yes it it is.
If some one is selling a cadalac at kia prices Im buying, its called supply and demand. Dont get pissed at the buyer get pissed at the 5 million content brokers/designers etc that are opening up shop every day.
Face it with the falling price and ease of use of softeware, digital reproduction material etc some formally high paying jobs are becoming obsolete. What used to require a 20k investment and 4 yrs of formal schooling can now be done with 1k and a month of self teaching. add that to the fact that the internet has made most commerce global meaning and american designer that lives in california with a $800 a month rent payment is competing for my business against a Russian desiner with a $200 a month rent payment and you can imagine who is setting the lower price and going to get the job.

You're missing the point. Sure I could go to a russian designer and get my site designed cheaper. Although the site will look like someone threw up on it.

If you want quality work, you pay the extra couple hundred bucks and get a site you can be proud of.

Anyone can use dreamweaver.... not many can make a kick ass website.

If you want to go to the 15 year old in Russia with front page to get your site done because it's cheaper, then more power to you. Hope you get lots of joins from it.

VeriSexy · 03-22-2004, 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by Oracle Porn
I'm jewish... cheapness is in my blood

Being cheap is what makes you rich

You will be surprised how cheap most of the millionaires are

LadyMischief · 03-22-2004, 08:52 AM

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Originally posted by riosluts
The reason why some many webmasters are cheap is because they dont want to lose more money than what they make. They dont want to pay $100 a month for hosting and only make $50. They dont want to pay $200 for a site design and get no signups on it.

If that's your biggest issue, get the fuck out of the business, now, and don't look back.

B40 · 03-22-2004, 09:02 AM

1000 views

03-22-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by Brujah

Probably more like 500 of them.

stevent37 · 03-22-2004, 04:24 PM

I dont think you get what Im saying, I buy design and content every week, I go to a bunch of different sites compare prices, look at portfolios etc. I dont see a whole lotta difference between most of them. I have bought both from both expensive an non-expensive designers and the return for the investment is the same, or at least it has been for me, and thats what biz is about, getting the most bang for the buck.

Talking just economics here. $200 might be chump change to an American for someone living in another country that might be a whole months wages, You cant honestly belive being a resident of the USA makes you a better designer or programer can you?

slackologist · 03-22-2004, 04:31 PM

You get what you give. You sometimes even get what you pay for.

cost:value

StuartD · 03-22-2004, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by stevent37

Talking just economics here. $200 might be chump change to an American for someone living in another country that might be a whole months wages, You cant honestly belive being a resident of the USA makes you a better designer or programer can you?

Fair enough, if you can find quality work in another country, and they are dirt cheap simply because of the country's financial situation... then by all means, go for it.

I applaud you and anyone if you can get quality work done for dirt cheap. By all means, if you can do it... great.

But what I'm saying in my first post is.. if you do go that route, and the quality of the job does turn out to be horrible... then you have no right to come to gfy and bitch about it. You skimped out.. you deserve it.

If the results are good, then great, if not... then you should have shopped around more, and maybe even paid more if you wanted to be sure you got good results. You'll get no sympathy from me by whining on the boards.

oh, and for the record, I'm not in the US.

DamageX · 03-22-2004, 05:58 PM

I'm sick of people bitching about being sick of people.

stevent37 · 03-22-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by MaskedMan

But what I'm saying in my first post is.. if you do go that route, and the quality of the job does turn out to be horrible... then you have no right to come to gfy and bitch about it. You skimped out.. you deserve it.

If the results are good, then great, if not... then you should have shopped around more, and maybe even paid more if you wanted to be sure you got good results. You'll get no sympathy from me by whining on the boards.

I agree with you 100% on that point

The problem here in The US is this has been happening for so long to Blue collar workers and no one gave a shit as long as they could get there stuff $1 cheaper at walmart because its made in some third world country, now that its happening to traditionaly white collar jobs I hate to hear them whinning about it.

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stevent37 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 266	I dont think you get what Im saying, I buy design and content every week, I go to a bunch of different sites compare prices, look at portfolios etc. I dont see a whole lotta difference between most of them. I have bought both from both expensive an non-expensive designers and the return for the investment is the same, or at least it has been for me, and thats what biz is about, getting the most bang for the buck. Talking just economics here. $200 might be chump change to an American for someone living in another country that might be a whole months wages, You cant honestly belive being a resident of the USA makes you a better designer or programer can you?

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