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  • vegas2003
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    • Feb 2003
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    some 9-11 facts that don't add up

    http://www.rense.com/general50/goat.htm
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  • Manowar
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    • Dec 2003
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    #2

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    • TheMob?
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      • Jan 2003
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      #3
      Summarize it.. can't bother reading all of that.

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      • baddog
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        • Apr 2001
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        #4
        Originally posted by TheMob?
        Summarize it.. can't bother reading all of that.
        don't count on that happening, I have my doubts that he can read much less form an educated opinion

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        • IPK
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          #5
          i don't read anything from rense.com
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          • SS396chevelleSS
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            • Mar 2004
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            #6
            I always thougth that was messed up the way they fell... like they should have done more damage to buildings surrounding them
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            • gornyhuy
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              #7
              I heard George Bush was personally piloting both planes.

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              • BlazeBank
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                • Mar 2004
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                #8
                Originally posted by Manowar

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                • Basic_man
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                  #9
                  FUCK BUSH !
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                  • ronbotx
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                    • Jan 2002
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by vegas2003
                    http://www.rense.com/general50/goat.htm
                    Since when have the facts been of any interest to you?

                    The rense.com site you constantly refer to is pure proganda...

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                    • SuckOnThis
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                      • Oct 2003
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by gornyhuy
                      I heard George Bush was personally piloting both planes.
                      Really? I heard on Rush that Clintons penis was telepathically controlling the aircrafts.

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                      • riosluts
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                        • Sep 2003
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                        #12
                        Yeah i am not reading all that. thats just way too much. Can someone summerize it up in one word

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                        • synergysex
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Basic_man
                          FUCK BUSH !
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                          • The Sex Pusher
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                            • Mar 2004
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                            #14
                            did you ever notice that 9-11 = negative 2 Now if you turn bush's name into numbers and add the square root of 99 to each letter and then multiply the result by -2 it spells " SMOKEY THE BEAR IS YOUR GOD "

                            Strange eh

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                            • baddog
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                              • Apr 2001
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by riosluts
                              Yeah i am not reading all that. thats just way too much. Can someone summerize it up in one word
                              sure, in 5 words or less . . . . . vegas2003 is a dumbass

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                              • VirtuMike
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                                • May 2002
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                                #16
                                Let us not forget that everyone is telling us of how the fourth plane crashed in a field in Pennsylvania.

                                Yet they found tailfin parts several miles from the scene of the crash. How is this possible? Either:

                                A. Someone picked up the debris, threw it in the back of a truck, drove it three miles, and dumped it.

                                B. The plane was actually shot down in midair, and parts of the tailfin rained down with a scatter pattern, which could be carried by the wind as the aircraft was likely moving at 500mph or so at an altitude of around 30,000 feet.

                                C. The tailfin launched on impact and out of sheer force somehow cleared the treetops and flew for three miles like a lopsided frisbee.

                                D. Freak wormhole.

                                Draw your own conclusions, but I'm willing to bet on mine. It's just embarrassing that our own government lies to us like that and then makes the US media lie to us. The rest of the world knows this plane was shot down, yet we somehow ignore this.
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                                • Roger
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                                  #17
                                  They certainly lied but about what? Not sure exactly or it may be due to Bush's communication disabilities.

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                                  • Ic3m4nZ
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                                    #18
                                    You post way too much news here.

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                                    • hova
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                                      #19
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                                      • chemicaleyes
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by hova
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                                        • 12clicks
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by VirtuMike
                                          Let us not forget that everyone is telling us of how the fourth plane crashed in a field in Pennsylvania.

                                          Yet they found tailfin parts several miles from the scene of the crash. How is this possible? Either:

                                          A. Someone picked up the debris, threw it in the back of a truck, drove it three miles, and dumped it.

                                          B. The plane was actually shot down in midair, and parts of the tailfin rained down with a scatter pattern, which could be carried by the wind as the aircraft was likely moving at 500mph or so at an altitude of around 30,000 feet.

                                          C. The tailfin launched on impact and out of sheer force somehow cleared the treetops and flew for three miles like a lopsided frisbee.

                                          D. Freak wormhole.

                                          Draw your own conclusions, but I'm willing to bet on mine. It's just embarrassing that our own government lies to us like that and then makes the US media lie to us. The rest of the world knows this plane was shot down, yet we somehow ignore this.
                                          what's more embarrassing is that you don't include a link to your "facts" about the tail of the plane.
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                                          • bret
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by VirtuMike
                                            Let us not forget that everyone is telling us of how the fourth plane crashed in a field in Pennsylvania.

                                            Yet they found tailfin parts several miles from the scene of the crash. How is this possible? Either:

                                            A. Someone picked up the debris, threw it in the back of a truck, drove it three miles, and dumped it.

                                            B. The plane was actually shot down in midair, and parts of the tailfin rained down with a scatter pattern, which could be carried by the wind as the aircraft was likely moving at 500mph or so at an altitude of around 30,000 feet.

                                            C. The tailfin launched on impact and out of sheer force somehow cleared the treetops and flew for three miles like a lopsided frisbee.

                                            D. Freak wormhole.

                                            Draw your own conclusions, but I'm willing to bet on mine. It's just embarrassing that our own government lies to us like that and then makes the US media lie to us. The rest of the world knows this plane was shot down, yet we somehow ignore this.
                                            maybe they lied about the location of the tailfin.... WATCH OUT MAN! THEY ARE OUT FOR YOU!

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                                            • okny
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                                              #23
                                              We only know what they want us to know, we will never know the whole story in detail of what happened.
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                                              • Babagirls
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by okny
                                                We only know what they want us to know
                                                i concur

                                                im sure theres a million and one details and facts that add up....the gov will just tell us what they want us to know. Also keeps the country out of a state of panic & disorder.





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                                                • The Sex Pusher
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by VirtuMike
                                                  Let us not forget that everyone is telling us of how the fourth plane crashed in a field in Pennsylvania.

                                                  Yet they found tailfin parts several miles from the scene of the crash. How is this possible? Either:

                                                  A. Someone picked up the debris, threw it in the back of a truck, drove it three miles, and dumped it.

                                                  B. The plane was actually shot down in midair, and parts of the tailfin rained down with a scatter pattern, which could be carried by the wind as the aircraft was likely moving at 500mph or so at an altitude of around 30,000 feet.

                                                  C. The tailfin launched on impact and out of sheer force somehow cleared the treetops and flew for three miles like a lopsided frisbee.

                                                  D. Freak wormhole.

                                                  Draw your own conclusions, but I'm willing to bet on mine. It's just embarrassing that our own government lies to us like that and then makes the US media lie to us. The rest of the world knows this plane was shot down, yet we somehow ignore this.
                                                  I saw a truck accident where a truck tire rolled for half a mile away.

                                                  I was more curious about the one (plane) that crashed into the pentagon.. A huge boeing jet crashes dead smack into a huge building , and leaves an 8 ft perfectly symetrical hole ?? that went thru all the layers like a missile 3 ft high ??

                                                  If you look at the photo's its as if the plane smashed a tiny clean hole in the front of the building and then disintegrated.

                                                  But i think they have video of it crashing , so it did obviously crash, i guess it just looks strange afterwards. Maybe not what you expect..

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                                                  • toddler
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                                                    • Jun 2002
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                                                    #26
                                                    ah yes, if its on the internet, it _must_ be true.


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                                                    • REßEL
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                                                      #27
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                                                      • erehwon
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                                                        #28
                                                        Give me two and a half years and I could spin anything you want to the point that anyone including the media would belive.

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                                                        • slackologist
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                                                          #29
                                                          I find this disturbing.

                                                          "In the months preceding 9-11, U.S. intelligence investigations into suspected al-Qaeda terrorists were suspended despite a storm of warnings regarding an imminent attack. On August 22, 2001 the FBI's top counter- terrorist expert, Deputy Director John O'Neill, quit the FBI. According to Walter E. Davis, PhD, O'Neill was frustrated over the State Department's foiling his attempts to prove bin Laden's complicity in the bombing of the USS Cole. O'Neill took the position of security head at the WTC towers and died there on September 11."

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                                                          • slackologist
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by toddler
                                                            ah yes, if its on the internet, it _must_ be true.


                                                            In the '80's, you could get the same on shit from palladium press in boulder co....
                                                            funny, i don't see what money and power have to do with the truth.

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                                                            • cashman
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                                                              #31
                                                              Too much of a spin, anything is possible

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                                                              • Honeyslut
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by SuckOnThis


                                                                Really? I heard on Rush that Clintons penis was telepathically controlling the aircrafts.
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                                                                • erehwon
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by The Sex Pusher
                                                                  I was more curious about the one (plane) that crashed into the pentagon.. A huge boeing jet crashes dead smack into a huge building , and leaves an 8 ft perfectly symetrical hole ?? that went thru all the layers like a missile 3 ft high ??

                                                                  If you look at the photo's its as if the plane smashed a tiny clean hole in the front of the building and then disintegrated.

                                                                  But i think they have video of it crashing , so it did obviously crash, i guess it just looks strange afterwards. Maybe not what you expect..
                                                                  I love how all these "experts" seem to think that commerical airliners are built out of stainless steel, and when they crash into buildings they should leave a bigger hole. In reality, its like dropping an egg on the floor you, the eggshell goes all over the place.

                                                                  Same happens when you take a fast moving aluminum aircraft 3/4 full of highly flammable fuel and ram it full speed into a fixed object several times larger and hundreds of times heavier than the mass hitting it.

                                                                  Poke around Air Disaster's photo galleries for awhile, its hard to belive these debris fields were at one time a jumbo jet.

                                                                  http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/

                                                                  Two that come to mind...

                                                                  American Airlines Flight No. 191
                                                                  http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/aa191/4.shtml

                                                                  No building strike, somewhat of an aerial picture, with trailers in the corner for scale. none of those pieces are all that large.

                                                                  El Al Cargo Flight No. 1862
                                                                  http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/elal1862/2.shtml

                                                                  This was a 747 cargo plane that crashed into an apartment building soon after takeoff. The collision blew out a portion of the complex but looking at those photos are you going to tell me that wasn't a 747 that crashed there? Also, I really doubt this building was built as strong as the Pentagon was.

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                                                                  • rounders
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                                                                    #34
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                                                                    • VirtuMike
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      http://www.911review.org/Wiki/Flight93.shtml

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                                                                      • Jon
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        I personally think that the plane that they say crashed in Pennsylvania did crash.. after it was shot down of course. I distinctly remember watching and listening to them talk about the 4th plane after the other ones hit, and remember hearing that fighter jets had in fact "forced the plane down".. After that though, I never heard another word about it, which was kind of strange. If you look at the plane, or whatever was left of it, they said all the passengers and lots of the pieces were "vaporized". Now, if you've ever seen a plane crash, you know shit doesn't vaporize. They always find something left over, like body parts or seats or something solid, but for a plane to be vaporized, psh, that takes something a bit more powerful than just a crash landing.. Also take note of the fuckin crater it left, and the tail piece of the airplane (why wasn't that vaporized?)..

                                                                        I'm not into the whole propoganda thing, but I know what I heard as everything was unfolding, and I'm sticking to it, because I'm 99% sure it was shot down, and never spoken about again because they wanted to make the passengers seem like heros for bringing it down, rather than our Airforce shooting at an American Civilian airplane...

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                                                                        • The Sex Pusher
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by erehwon


                                                                          I love how all these "experts" seem to think that commerical airliners are built out of stainless steel, and when they crash into buildings they should leave a bigger hole. In reality, its like dropping an egg on the floor you, the eggshell goes all over the place.

                                                                          Same happens when you take a fast moving aluminum aircraft 3/4 full of highly flammable fuel and ram it full speed into a fixed object several times larger and hundreds of times heavier than the mass hitting it.
                                                                          But you are welcome to believe whatever you want.
                                                                          Hmm you quoted me and somehow in your mind you perceived ( hallucinated ) words that were not said.

                                                                          Nobody said anything about experts. I gave a personal opinion..


                                                                          In my opinion if you smash a boeing jet loaded with fuel into the side of a building it leaves more than just an 8 foot perfect hole in the building, and no wreckage..

                                                                          I'm not a scientist an engineer or a pilot, but it just seems to make sense that it might possibly leave a slightly larger hole..

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                                                                          • The Sex Pusher
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Heres some actual photos of the impact itself..

                                                                            <img src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/slide1.jpg">
                                                                            <img src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/slide2.jpg">
                                                                            <img src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/slide3.jpg">
                                                                            <img src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/slide5.jpg">

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                                                                            • The Sex Pusher
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Now heres the inside view left by the plane * cough missile * .

                                                                              <img src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/pentagon-inside-view.jpg">

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                                                                              • The Sex Pusher
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                                                                                • Mar 2004
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                heres a sequence of it hitting. from the securty camera. It looks awfully low to the ground to be a jet ..

                                                                                <img src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/crash.gif">

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                                                                                • kowntafit
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Summarize it.. can't bother reading all of that.
                                                                                  Same here dude, I just skimmed it. Nice images though.

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                                                                                  • erehwon
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by The Sex Pusher
                                                                                    Hmm you quoted me and somehow in your mind you perceived ( hallucinated ) words that were not said.

                                                                                    Nobody said anything about experts. I gave a personal opinion..

                                                                                    In my opinion if you smash a boeing jet loaded with fuel into the side of a building it leaves more than just an 8 foot perfect hole in the building, and no wreckage..

                                                                                    I'm not a scientist an engineer or a pilot, but it just seems to make sense that it might possibly leave a slightly larger hole..
                                                                                    I'm not calling you an expert, I just love all these sites that have popped up claiming that theres no way Flight 77 could have crashed into the Pentagon without leaving a bigger hole in the building, or for that matter not had any wreckage left behind.

                                                                                    To put this into an analogy anybody could understand, if you were to add 16oz of black powder into an empty coke can and then set it on fire, you will get a really big bang and you will find yourself looking for days for pieces of that coke can.

                                                                                    Now take those silvers of aluminum you found (which melts at around 1200F) and toss them into a fire burning in excess of 3500F for a day or so, what are you going to have left?

                                                                                    Not very much.

                                                                                    Now taking that photo of the inside view you posted of the 'perfect' eight foot hole...



                                                                                    Small, cropped and out of context, could have been any of a number of things, a 757 engine is about eight feet around.

                                                                                    But hey, if that is an inside shot, (inside being within the rings of the Pentagon) of where the "missile" came thru, why is there a no parking sign to the left of that hole?

                                                                                    http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/pho...ils.do?id=4515
                                                                                    http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/pho...ils.do?id=4958

                                                                                    I'm more apt to belive this is where Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.
                                                                                    http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/pho...ils.do?id=4383

                                                                                    and less than two weeks afterward when the debris was cleaned up and beams shored up...
                                                                                    http://www.photolibrary.fema.gov/pho...ils.do?id=4980

                                                                                    Funny thing is, all these photos are open source, but I have yet to see them posted on any these conspiracy sites because it degrades their spin on what they say really happened.

                                                                                    ...of course, what do I know, I'm just a research analyst.
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                                                                                    • Shoehorn!
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Rense.com is complete bullshit. It's about as much a reliable news source as www.ihop.com

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                                                                                      • justfreemovies
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        hmm makes you think
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                                                                                        • spanky part 2
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          From someone who saw the second plane hit the wtc and was running away while carrying my 6 month old child, you guys are fucking idiots. While I was running for my life you conspiracy experts were sitting in your trailer watching it on your black and white tv's.

                                                                                          Go back to watching Jerry Springer and kiss my ass.

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                                                                                          • Nicky
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Oh well conspiracy or not 1000's were killed.......

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                                                                                            • radical
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by spanky part 2
                                                                                              From someone who saw the second plane hit the wtc and was running away while carrying my 6 month old child, you guys are fucking idiots. While I was running for my life you conspiracy experts were sitting in your trailer watching it on your black and white tv's.

                                                                                              Go back to watching Jerry Springer and kiss my ass.

                                                                                              Geezz, sorry to hear!! I only rmember watching it live on TV!! Still it shouldn't have happened!




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