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Paul Markham 03-20-2004 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by theking


The debt that the US is carrying does not present a problem at this point. If it did the majority of the Nation's economists would be shouting it from the mountain tops and they are not.

Could it just possibly be that the Webbys of the world don't know jack shit...about economy...or much of anything elese...but in their hatred of the US just like to spout their venom.

You are an enemy of my country (you have on multiple occasions called for the assassination of our President)...thus an enemy of mine. I would personally enjoy turning your face into a dripping mass of goo. :321GFY

Proves my point about those that criticise. His response is violent intimidation.

Idiot, you obviously did not read the articles I posted links to. Now go and educate yourself.

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Run on the dollar

Mr Rubin, who is now chairman of Citigroup, argues that the adverse consequences of running large budget deficits may "be far larger and occur more suddenly than traditional analysis suggests".

What is at stake in all this is America's economic growth

Benjamin Friedman, Harvard University
In a paper for the Brookings Institution, he argues that "substantial deficits projected far into the future can cause a fundamental shift in market expectations and a related loss of confidence both at home and abroad".

This could lead to a run on the dollar (which is already suffering serious weakness), and a sharp rise in the interest rates demanded on Federal debt, which in turn could hurt the stock market, weaken banks and reduce private sector spending.

The Bush administration is doing its best to ward off such an eventuality by constantly telling the financial markets that it is committed to reducing the deficit, and arguing that it is "manageable" as a proportion of the economy.

rett11 03-20-2004 11:20 PM

Bush is walking a fine line economically...there are smarter and better ways.

Webby 03-20-2004 11:21 PM

theking:

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The debt that the US is carrying does not present a problem at this point. If it did the majority of the Nation's economists would be shouting it from the mountain tops and they are not.
Excuse me!!! :1orglaugh

Na.. there is no problem!! What we got here is one massive trade surplus and zillions of countries owning the US money.

It's all lies by "anti American" terrorists and all em non-patriotic people!! :1orglaugh

Sheesh.. gimme a break from the GFY idiot element!! :1orglaugh

PS.. Did you not know several of "the Nation's economists" are voicing opinions that the US *could* be a "third world country* within two decades and many are VERY concerned, including members of the US government???

torrey 03-20-2004 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by charly
Proves my point about those that criticise. His response is violent intimidation.

Idiot, you obviously did not read the articles I posted links to. Now go and educate yourself.

Im not quite as volitile as theking, but I understand his view.

Vitasoy 03-20-2004 11:25 PM

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Originally posted by - Jesus Christ -
http://www.mindcontroll.com/TruckeeA882c20.jpg

Now that is pure beauty!

Paul Markham 03-20-2004 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by theking


The debt that the US is carrying does not present a problem at this point. If it did the majority of the Nation's economists would be shouting it from the mountain tops and they are not.

Ten Nobel prize winning economists have attacked President George W Bush's tax cutting policies.

theking 03-20-2004 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by charly
Clueless old man...the majority of the Nation's economists are not concerned with US debt at this point. What some economist say here or there is of little import...it would be of import if that were the consensus of the Nation's economists...but it isn't. The US has carried greater debt in relation to the GNP in the past.

President Reagan increased the National Debt by three trillion dollars during his term in office and a few economists predicted the collaspe of our economic system. It did not happen and is not going to happen in your lifetime...if ever.

Niko Bimini 03-20-2004 11:27 PM

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Originally posted by charly
Charly

Though I agree the reference to violence against WEBBY is a bit much and totally unnecessary. His point still is valid. I have no problem with anyone argueing policy, political differences, or party affiliation. It is fun, and part of what free speach is all about.

But WEBBY is someone that has posted some pretty out there shit on the boards about the person sitting in the White House right now. (repsect the office even if you don't respect the man) So he is going to inspire such passsionate reponse.

When he makes statements in his threads to the affect of........ the US has nukes so why shouldn't the CRAZED dictator of China be allowed to pursue nuclear proliferation?????? Then people like me tend to want to smack him in line and point out what a stupid thing that is to say.

You have presented very good reading material to make me see your side of it. And though I only skimmed it for now so that I can keep up with the "WEBBY antics" I will read it over the next day and we'll see what it does to change my over all opinion.

So thank you to you and to verisexy for (maybe) expanding my mind a bit.:thumbsup

doc cock 03-20-2004 11:27 PM

i think he was more killed by being flattened by a tank

just my :2 cents:

p.s. france surrenders

Niko Bimini 03-20-2004 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by doc cock


i think he was more killed by being flattened by a tank

just my :2 cents:

p.s. france surrenders


HA!!!:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Paul Markham 03-20-2004 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by torrey
Im not quite as volitile as theking, but I understand his view.
So your view is to use violence to shut people up?

Nice view, maybe people in your area should be offered the same option. They may disagree with your freedom to be a pornographer and the use of violence to stop you.

Funny how for some the Constitution "Freedom of Speech" only applies to what they want to hear. Torrey and theidiot's statements are more anti American than anything Webby has said.

He is exercising hos right to speak out, they are advocating violence to take away that right.

BigFish 03-20-2004 11:35 PM


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2754283.stm


You should at least find relevant economists.

Among the supporters: Milton Friedman

torrey 03-20-2004 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by charly
So your view is to use violence to shut people up?

Nice view, maybe people in your area should be offered the same option. They may disagree with your freedom to be a pornographer and the use of violence to stop you.

Funny how for some the Constitution "Freedom of Speech" only applies to what they want to hear. Torrey and theidiot's statements are more anti American than anything Webby has said.

He is exercising hos right to speak out, they are advocating violence to take away that right.

You are as ignorant as you preach against. :2 cents:

Paul Markham 03-20-2004 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by BigFish



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2754283.stm


You should at least find relevant economists.

Among the supporters: Milton Friedman

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The centrepiece of Mr Bush's $674bn package was eliminating taxes on shareholder dividends.

But the letter also called on the government to show spending restraint to keep the deficit under control.

Mr Bush's economic programme will push the deficit up to record levels.

The Economic Policy Institute said cutting tax on dividends was "not credible".
Only time will tell if Bush has done the right thing.

hottoddy 03-20-2004 11:39 PM

My daddy got to go and kill the yellow man. Up till now, all I've been allowed to kill is the dune coon. I can't wait to go and get me some slanty-eyed chinks !

Paul Markham 03-20-2004 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by torrey
You are as ignorant as you preach against. :2 cents:
Sorry being ignorant I do not understand this.

Are you saying I'm as ignorant as you?

torrey 03-20-2004 11:40 PM

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Originally posted by hottoddy
My daddy got to go and kill the yellow man. Up till now, all I've been allowed to kill is the dune coon. I can't wait to go and get me some slanty-eyed chinks !
Theres a better target for ya charly. :321GFY

torrey 03-20-2004 11:41 PM

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Originally posted by charly
Sorry being ignorant I do not understand this.

Are you saying I'm as ignorant as you?

LOL did you even read my posts???

theking 03-20-2004 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by charly
So your view is to use violence to shut people up?

Nice view, maybe people in your area should be offered the same option. They may disagree with your freedom to be a pornographer and the use of violence to stop you.

Funny how for some the Constitution "Freedom of Speech" only applies to what they want to hear. Torrey and theidiot's statements are more anti American than anything Webby has said.

She is exercising her right to speak out, they are advocating violence to take away that right.

Webby...on multiple occasions has called for the assasination of the President of my country (if I recall correctly has offered to personally do it) and spouts venom about the US on an almost daily basis...as do you.

In the US it is against Feral Law to speak about doing harm to the President...is a felony...and their are people serving time for it...but irregardless of law...when you speak about assasinating the President of my country your exercise of freedom has ended as far as I am concerned.

FYI...the Constitution applies to the inhabitants of the US...not to you or to Webby...or any other foreign American bashing assholes. :321GFY

Paul Markham 03-20-2004 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by hottoddy
My daddy got to go and kill the yellow man. Up till now, all I've been allowed to kill is the dune coon. I can't wait to go and get me some slanty-eyed chinks !
And a lot of your daddies friends got sent home in body bags. All for the purpose of defending a paddy field, a corrupt ruler and arms spending.

Easy to be brave on a message board.

Ic3m4nZ 03-20-2004 11:44 PM

100 who will the war.

Paul Markham 03-20-2004 11:44 PM

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Originally posted by torrey
Theres a better target for ya charly. :321GFY
Already on to him thanks. :1orglaugh

hottoddy 03-20-2004 11:46 PM

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Originally posted by charly
...
Easy to be brave on a message board.

Easier to joke ...

riosluts 03-20-2004 11:47 PM

yeah but there is a 99% that bush will not be re-elected again. look at all the trouble that he has started

Niko Bimini 03-20-2004 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by riosluts
yeah but there is a 99% that bush will not be re-elected again. look at all the trouble that he has started

Oh come on now..........we have come so far in this thread. Lets not start spouting bullshit facts and figures again.:1orglaugh

Paul Markham 03-20-2004 11:51 PM

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Originally posted by theking


FYI...the Constitution applies to the inhabitants of the US...not to you or to Webby...or any other foreign American bashing assholes. :321GFY

Sorry I assumed that Webby was in the US. There is no excuse for advocating the assination of the President.

I'm not anti American, I'm pro American. Just anti Bush. But you see any criticism as anti American which supports my previous post. Being President does not mean you cannot make mistakes, for which you can be criticised on.

Paul Markham 03-20-2004 11:54 PM

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Originally posted by riosluts
yeah but there is a 99% that bush will not be re-elected again. look at all the trouble that he has started
If only it was 99%.

Too many voters see the invasion of Iraq as a good thing. How many US citizens still believe in WMDs in Iraq?

torrey 03-20-2004 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by charly
Sorry I assumed that Webby was in the US. There is no excuse for advocating the assination of the President.

I'm not anti American, I'm pro American. Just anti Bush. But you see any criticism as anti American which supports my previous post. Being President does not mean you cannot make mistakes, for which you can be criticised on.

Sounds like a load of shit, you are as anti-american as they come. :2 cents:

Niko Bimini 03-20-2004 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by charly
Sorry I assumed that Webby was in the US. There is no excuse for advocating the assination of the President.

I'm not anti American, I'm pro American. Just anti Bush. But you see any criticism as anti American which supports my previous post. Being President does not mean you cannot make mistakes, for which you can be criticised on.


Not all true Charly.

I don't see your posts in this thread as anti american (I have not followed you other posts as I have WEBBY).

In this thread you have presented yourself as anti Bush which though I disagree with your views 100% I can respect them.

That is what this country is all about. Freedom to disagree and still be cool in the end. And yes that is what we (Americans) believe we are fighting for right now. You may not agree with the policies of our government, but in the end people are just doing what they think is the best and right thing for our country.

And as you said "time will tell if Bush has made the right choices"

Iam betting her has.
:thumbsup

theking 03-21-2004 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Sorry I assumed that Webby was in the US. There is no excuse for advocating the assination of the President.

I'm not anti American, I'm pro American. Just anti Bush. But you see any criticism as anti American which supports my previous post. Being President does not mean you cannot make mistakes, for which you can be criticised on.

Good...then we Americans can expect your...almost...daily bashing of American policy...and internal decisions made by our Congress...to cease if Senator Kerry becomes President?

BTW...Clueless...legitimate criticism is different than bashing.

Niko Bimini 03-21-2004 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by charly
If only it was 99%.

Too many voters see the invasion of Iraq as a good thing. How many US citizens still believe in WMDs in Iraq?

I am an American citizen that believes 100% in WMD's

Believe they pursued them. They had them. Then got them out of country and now we have to worry about who has them now.

I am not one that is naive enough to believe that lunatic did not want to do as he promised on MANY occasions.........inflict mass cassualties on America and its allies. He said it! i believe him. We kicked his ass so that he can't fullfill his promise.

Paul Markham 03-21-2004 12:03 AM

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Originally posted by torrey
Sounds like a load of shit, you are as anti-american as they come. :2 cents:
I have family who live in the US, I honeymooned twice in the US, I derive 80% of my income from the US, I own property in the US, I have a US bank account and SSN.

I guess that qualifies me as anti American. As I stated it's easy to accuse critics of being anti American to dismiss what they say. However if I was anti American does that make my statements less true?

For the record I would love to live in the US, unfortunately I could not make a living there. US models would drive me around the bend.

DavePlays 03-21-2004 12:04 AM

OK... Huge big surprise. Half the country likes Bush, the other half doesn't.


But remember your history before you come down too hard on Bush.....


FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us, Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Lyndon Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year.


Carry on...

Niko Bimini 03-21-2004 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by DavePlays
OK... Huge big surprise. Half the country likes Bush, the other half doesn't.


But remember your history before you come down too hard on Bush.....


FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us, Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.

John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Lyndon Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year.


Carry on...


Wow! That was impressive. Well done. :thumbsup :thumbsup

hottoddy 03-21-2004 12:08 AM

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Originally posted by charly


Too many voters see the invasion of Iraq as a good thing. How many US citizens still believe in WMDs in Iraq?

57% feel war was the right decision one year later, despite not finding WMDs in country.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...2131611&EDATE=

Paul Markham 03-21-2004 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by Bimini


I am an American citizen that believes 100% in WMD's

Believe they pursued them. They had them. Then got them out of country and now we have to worry about who has them now.

I am not one that is naive enough to believe that lunatic did not want to do as he promised on MANY occasions.........inflict mass cassualties on America and its allies. He said it! i believe him. We kicked his ass so that he can't fullfill his promise.

Toss up who to believe, Saddam, Blair, Bush or Blix.

In my opinion Saddam was bluffing, he did have the weapons. Just not recently. But if his neighbors had known how ineffectual his army was they might of invaded. The man was playing a big con game to remain in power.

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In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600 soldiers, an average of 300 a year.
He did not invade a country that never attacked him, when did Iraq attack the US? Even Bush has not come out with that statement. Plus I do not think the people with relatives who died in Bali or Madrid think al-Qaida is crushed.

torrey 03-21-2004 12:13 AM

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Originally posted by charly
I have family who live in the US, I honeymooned twice in the US, I derive 80% of my income from the US, I own property in the US, I have a US bank account and SSN.

I guess that qualifies me as anti American. As I stated it's easy to accuse critics of being anti American to dismiss what they say. However if I was anti American does that make my statements less true?

For the record I would love to live in the US, unfortunately I could not make a living there. US models would drive me around the bend.

Dont back-peddle now. Stand up for what you beleive.

On a side note,

I didnt need you to tell me American money pays your bills you fucking senile old koot, I already knew that. :2 cents:

Niko Bimini 03-21-2004 12:17 AM

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Originally posted by charly
He did not invade a country that never attacked him, when did Iraq attack the US? Even Bush has not come out with that statement. Plus I do not think the people with relatives who died in Bali or Madrid think al-Qaida is crushed.

Come on now Charly...the man said "crippled" not crushed. Big difference there.

No claim that we have gotten ride of AlQaida, but only a fool would argue we haven't taken HUGE strides to keep them on the run. The mere fact that there hasn't been an attack in this country since 9/11 is HUGE proof that this regime is doing a stand up job to try and protect its people.

And "toss up who to believe, Sadam, Blair, or Bush........"

Aaaaa yeah I think I will take...............sane heads of state for $1000 Alex.

DavePlays 03-21-2004 12:18 AM

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Originally posted by charly
He did not invade a country that never attacked him, when did Iraq attack the US? Even Bush has not come out with that statement. Plus I do not think the people with relatives who died in Bali or Madrid think al-Qaida is crushed.

I believe if you read it again...

that says "crippled", not crushed al-Qaida. Right?

and that does NOT say Iraq attacted the US. Does it?


but the points remain the same.

theking 03-21-2004 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by charly
He did not invade a country that never attacked him, when did Iraq attack the US? Even Bush has not come out with that statement. Plus I do not think the people with relatives who died in Bali or Madrid think al-Qaida is crushed.
Re-read his post Cluless...well don't bother...you would just remain clueless.


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