Two ICQ chats I had with Acacia licensees. - GoFuckYourself.com

Paul Markham · 03-20-2004, 11:39 AM

Had another licensee on ICQ yesterday who was asking if I could lighten up in my condemnation of them. My answer was no both times.

Neither could answer a simple question;

"If you had thought by signing you would go out of business would you have signed or fought?"

I do feel sorry that they were placed in the position where they had to make the choice, but until licensees and more importantly potential licensees know that signing up is a bad move we will be plagued by more "Patent License Firms"

Licensees are the way Acacia fund themselves to screw more of us. Cut off the supply of funds and you starve the foe, feed him and you make him stronger.

Neither of them would contribute to the defense fund saying it was against the terms of the license.

So we are to keep sending business to licensees while they pay a little license fee and others do the fighting (paying) for them.

No I will not let up on licensees.

torrey · 03-20-2004, 11:46 AM

Im starting a new patent licensing office online, with an affiliate program.

kush · 03-20-2004, 11:47 AM

Is there any site that has the updates on the Acacia case?
I haven't followed it in the past couple months and would like to catch up on the news.

=^..^= · 03-20-2004, 11:51 AM

update on the case from perspective of a webmistress who retired for 6 months then came back:

Late 2003: everyone hates acacia - fight to death stuff!!!
Now 2004: come back and most big players have signed leaving smaller webmasters to fight what now looks liek an uphill battle

but liek i said - i been away 6 months - but thats how it looks from here

torrey · 03-20-2004, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by =^..^=
update on the case from perspective of a webmistress who retired for 6 months then came back:

Late 2003: everyone hates acacia - fight to death stuff!!!
Now 2004: come back and most big players have signed leaving smaller webmasters to fight what now looks liek an uphill battle

but liek i said - i been away 6 months - but thats how it looks from here

Youre right, as soon as a major player like playboy caves in, its all over with. WMs serving video are eventually gonna have to pay. Get used to it, I dont think its gonna go away.

However there will be many; like myself, who say; Fuck Acacia and fuck getting extorted. We will build a new comprable platform with no lic bullshit.

Spunky · 03-20-2004, 12:00 PM

It just adds more fuel to their fire with these companies caving in.If they all pooled their resources to fight them ,then we would have a better chance to defeating them..either way it sucks

imageman · 03-20-2004, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by charly
Had another licensee on ICQ yesterday who was asking if I could lighten up in my condemnation of them. My answer was no both times.

Neither could answer a simple question;

"If you had thought by signing you would go out of business would you have signed or fought?"

I do feel sorry that they were placed in the position where they had to make the choice, but until licensees and more importantly potential licensees know that signing up is a bad move we will be plagued by more "Patent License Firms"

Licensees are the way Acacia fund themselves to screw more of us. Cut off the supply of funds and you starve the foe, feed him and you make him stronger.

Neither of them would contribute to the defense fund saying it was against the terms of the license.

I agree with you 100%

So we are to keep sending business to licensees while they pay a little license fee and others do the fighting (paying) for them.

No I will not let up on licensees.

sumphatpimp · 03-20-2004, 12:07 PM

Link to Fight the Patient

=^..^= · 03-20-2004, 12:17 PM

well the way I see it is liek this:

the big players side up with acacia because what happens is all the small webmasters get left to fight the patents
the small guys dont have the money or resources or whatveer and they go down fighting - it leaves the big boys to make MORE $$ that the small webmasters once used to get.

basically it's just combing thru the industry and gettign rid of the "loose fluff'

the big players can afford the patents - so if it' going to knock off some of the competition - then why the hell wouldn't they sign?

personally i dont agree with this whole acaia / patent thing BUT I CAN see it from their (the big players')side - as a purely business point of view
And LETS NOT FORGET - they are in this biz to make $$ not friends

Ludedude · 03-20-2004, 12:21 PM

Hehe. Nice post Charly. Fuck the fuckers

Paul Markham · 03-20-2004, 12:31 PM

Ithink the patent will be defeated in court, otherwise a really big player like MS would of stepped in and crushed it.

Just the licensees took the easy way out and want others to pay for defeating it. And they want all of us to support them while they sit back and do nothing.

We as an industry are doing little to support the Homegrown, Lightspeed, etc. so why should we support Hustler, Epic, Matrix by giving them business and sending more money into Acacia's coffers?

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-20-2004, 12:35 PM

Lock em in and recognise the Patent claim WIN or LOSE Thats the strategy...
Those that Sign LOSE.

No way that Patent claim holds water...

Once ya sign your bound to it and will pay license fee's regardless of the patents defeat

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-20-2004, 12:43 PM

I am tempted to open a video site and have ACACIA come in and shut off my Streaming video by court order then when the Patent is over turned file a fucken lawsuit for big time monetary damages to my business that was destined to make it big time.

Spunky · 03-20-2004, 12:45 PM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
I am tempted to open a video site and have ACACIA come in and shut off my Streaming video by court order then when the Patent is over turned file a fucken lawsuit for big time monetary damages to my business that was destined to make it big time.

I think many people are already doing it...Fucking attempted extortion

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-20-2004, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by spunky1

I think many people are already doing it...Fucking attempted extortion

I hope so, once the dust settles is when another fight will start.
The fight that puts them out of business settling suits that damaged hundreds of business ability to make money on the net.

Think about the losses them guys can claim in damages...

I really wish I had alot of money, I would be laughing my ass off knowing that in due time I would stand to make a 20 fold fortune off a small minimal investment of a video site!

cherrylula · 03-20-2004, 12:52 PM

Didn't Disney sign too?

Guess we better burn any Disney items we own.

I'm gonna miss my little mermaid bathroom accessories.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 03-20-2004, 12:56 PM

Anyone wanna gimme 20K to make a kick ass video site so we can get it shut down?

Please?

The Truth Hurts · 03-20-2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Had another licensee on ICQ yesterday who was asking if I could lighten up in my condemnation of them. My answer was no both times.

which only poses the question...

who the fuck are you to condemn anybody?

Paul Markham · 03-20-2004, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

which only poses the question...

who the fuck are you to condemn anybody?

A nobody who stands up for what he thinks is right.

Hammer · 03-20-2004, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
A nobody who stands up for what he thinks is right.

You're standing up for what you think is right and condeming others for doing what they think is right.

The real question then is, who are you to decide who's right?

03-20-2004, 11:39 AM	#1
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Two ICQ chats I had with Acacia licensees. Had another licensee on ICQ yesterday who was asking if I could lighten up in my condemnation of them. My answer was no both times. Neither could answer a simple question; "If you had thought by signing you would go out of business would you have signed or fought?" I do feel sorry that they were placed in the position where they had to make the choice, but until licensees and more importantly potential licensees know that signing up is a bad move we will be plagued by more "Patent License Firms" Licensees are the way Acacia fund themselves to screw more of us. Cut off the supply of funds and you starve the foe, feed him and you make him stronger. Neither of them would contribute to the defense fund saying it was against the terms of the license. So we are to keep sending business to licensees while they pay a little license fee and others do the fighting (paying) for them. No I will not let up on licensees. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-20-2004, 11:46 AM	#2
torrey Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pornslinga USA Posts: 1,656	Im starting a new patent licensing office online, with an affiliate program. __________________

03-20-2004, 11:51 AM	#4
=^..^= Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ 380-366 Posts: 6,935	update on the case from perspective of a webmistress who retired for 6 months then came back: Late 2003: everyone hates acacia - fight to death stuff!!! Now 2004: come back and most big players have signed leaving smaller webmasters to fight what now looks liek an uphill battle but liek i said - i been away 6 months - but thats how it looks from here __________________ #RememberYourRoots #AaronMForGFYHOF

03-20-2004, 12:00 PM	#6
Spunky I need a beer Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ♠ Toiletville ♠ Posts: 133,944	It just adds more fuel to their fire with these companies caving in.If they all pooled their resources to fight them ,then we would have a better chance to defeating them..either way it sucks __________________ *YOUR INFORMATION HERE*

03-20-2004, 12:17 PM	#9
=^..^= Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: ICQ 380-366 Posts: 6,935	well the way I see it is liek this: the big players side up with acacia because what happens is all the small webmasters get left to fight the patents the small guys dont have the money or resources or whatveer and they go down fighting - it leaves the big boys to make MORE $$ that the small webmasters once used to get. basically it's just combing thru the industry and gettign rid of the "loose fluff' the big players can afford the patents - so if it' going to knock off some of the competition - then why the hell wouldn't they sign? personally i dont agree with this whole acaia / patent thing BUT I CAN see it from their (the big players')side - as a purely business point of view And LETS NOT FORGET - they are in this biz to make $$ not friends __________________ #RememberYourRoots #AaronMForGFYHOF

03-20-2004, 11:47 AM	#3
kush Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 3,382	Is there any site that has the updates on the Acacia case? I haven't followed it in the past couple months and would like to catch up on the news.

03-20-2004, 12:07 PM	#8
sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	Link to Fight the Patient

03-20-2004, 12:21 PM	#10
Ludedude Suck it! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Who wants to know? Posts: 4,432	Hehe. Nice post Charly. Fuck the fuckers __________________

03-20-2004, 12:31 PM	#11
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Ithink the patent will be defeated in court, otherwise a really big player like MS would of stepped in and crushed it. Just the licensees took the easy way out and want others to pay for defeating it. And they want all of us to support them while they sit back and do nothing. We as an industry are doing little to support the Homegrown, Lightspeed, etc. so why should we support Hustler, Epic, Matrix by giving them business and sending more money into Acacia's coffers? __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-20-2004, 12:35 PM	#12
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Lock em in and recognise the Patent claim WIN or LOSE Thats the strategy... Those that Sign LOSE. No way that Patent claim holds water... Once ya sign your bound to it and will pay license fee's regardless of the patents defeat __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-20-2004, 12:43 PM	#13
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I am tempted to open a video site and have ACACIA come in and shut off my Streaming video by court order then when the Patent is over turned file a fucken lawsuit for big time monetary damages to my business that was destined to make it big time. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

03-20-2004, 12:52 PM	#16
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Didn't Disney sign too? Guess we better burn any Disney items we own. I'm gonna miss my little mermaid bathroom accessories.

03-20-2004, 12:56 PM	#17
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Anyone wanna gimme 20K to make a kick ass video site so we can get it shut down? Please? __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|