Two ICQ chats I had with Acacia licensees.

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  • Paul Markham
    Too old to care
    • Jun 2001
    • 52942

    #1

    Two ICQ chats I had with Acacia licensees.

    Had another licensee on ICQ yesterday who was asking if I could lighten up in my condemnation of them. My answer was no both times.

    Neither could answer a simple question;

    "If you had thought by signing you would go out of business would you have signed or fought?"

    I do feel sorry that they were placed in the position where they had to make the choice, but until licensees and more importantly potential licensees know that signing up is a bad move we will be plagued by more "Patent License Firms"

    Licensees are the way Acacia fund themselves to screw more of us. Cut off the supply of funds and you starve the foe, feed him and you make him stronger.

    Neither of them would contribute to the defense fund saying it was against the terms of the license.

    So we are to keep sending business to licensees while they pay a little license fee and others do the fighting (paying) for them.

    No I will not let up on licensees.



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  • torrey
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2004
    • 1656

    #2
    Im starting a new patent licensing office online, with an affiliate program.

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    • kush
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2001
      • 3382

      #3
      Is there any site that has the updates on the Acacia case?
      I haven't followed it in the past couple months and would like to catch up on the news.

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      • =^..^=
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2002
        • 6935

        #4
        update on the case from perspective of a webmistress who retired for 6 months then came back:

        Late 2003: everyone hates acacia - fight to death stuff!!!
        Now 2004: come back and most big players have signed leaving smaller webmasters to fight what now looks liek an uphill battle


        but liek i said - i been away 6 months - but thats how it looks from here
        #RememberYourRoots #AaronMForGFYHOF

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        • torrey
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2004
          • 1656

          #5
          Originally posted by =^..^=
          update on the case from perspective of a webmistress who retired for 6 months then came back:

          Late 2003: everyone hates acacia - fight to death stuff!!!
          Now 2004: come back and most big players have signed leaving smaller webmasters to fight what now looks liek an uphill battle


          but liek i said - i been away 6 months - but thats how it looks from here
          Youre right, as soon as a major player like playboy caves in, its all over with. WMs serving video are eventually gonna have to pay. Get used to it, I dont think its gonna go away.

          However there will be many; like myself, who say; Fuck Acacia and fuck getting extorted. We will build a new comprable platform with no lic bullshit.

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          • Spunky
            I need a beer
            • Jun 2002
            • 133986

            #6
            It just adds more fuel to their fire with these companies caving in.If they all pooled their resources to fight them ,then we would have a better chance to defeating them..either way it sucks

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            • imageman
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2003
              • 1938

              #7
              Originally posted by charly
              Had another licensee on ICQ yesterday who was asking if I could lighten up in my condemnation of them. My answer was no both times.

              Neither could answer a simple question;

              "If you had thought by signing you would go out of business would you have signed or fought?"

              I do feel sorry that they were placed in the position where they had to make the choice, but until licensees and more importantly potential licensees know that signing up is a bad move we will be plagued by more "Patent License Firms"

              Licensees are the way Acacia fund themselves to screw more of us. Cut off the supply of funds and you starve the foe, feed him and you make him stronger.

              Neither of them would contribute to the defense fund saying it was against the terms of the license.

              I agree with you 100%

              So we are to keep sending business to licensees while they pay a little license fee and others do the fighting (paying) for them.

              No I will not let up on licensees.

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              • sumphatpimp
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2002
                • 5235

                #8
                Link to Fight the Patient

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                • =^..^=
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2002
                  • 6935

                  #9
                  well the way I see it is liek this:

                  the big players side up with acacia because what happens is all the small webmasters get left to fight the patents
                  the small guys dont have the money or resources or whatveer and they go down fighting - it leaves the big boys to make MORE $$ that the small webmasters once used to get.

                  basically it's just combing thru the industry and gettign rid of the "loose fluff'

                  the big players can afford the patents - so if it' going to knock off some of the competition - then why the hell wouldn't they sign?

                  personally i dont agree with this whole acaia / patent thing BUT I CAN see it from their (the big players')side - as a purely business point of view
                  And LETS NOT FORGET - they are in this biz to make $$ not friends

                  #RememberYourRoots #AaronMForGFYHOF

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                  • Ludedude
                    Suck it!
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 4432

                    #10
                    Hehe. Nice post Charly. Fuck the fuckers

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                    • Paul Markham
                      Too old to care
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 52942

                      #11
                      Ithink the patent will be defeated in court, otherwise a really big player like MS would of stepped in and crushed it.

                      Just the licensees took the easy way out and want others to pay for defeating it. And they want all of us to support them while they sit back and do nothing.

                      We as an industry are doing little to support the Homegrown, Lightspeed, etc. so why should we support Hustler, Epic, Matrix by giving them business and sending more money into Acacia's coffers?



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                      • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                        best designer on GFY
                        • Mar 2003
                        • 30307

                        #12
                        Lock em in and recognise the Patent claim WIN or LOSE Thats the strategy...
                        Those that Sign LOSE.

                        No way that Patent claim holds water...

                        Once ya sign your bound to it and will pay license fee's regardless of the patents defeat

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                        • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                          best designer on GFY
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 30307

                          #13
                          I am tempted to open a video site and have ACACIA come in and shut off my Streaming video by court order then when the Patent is over turned file a fucken lawsuit for big time monetary damages to my business that was destined to make it big time.

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                          • Spunky
                            I need a beer
                            • Jun 2002
                            • 133986

                            #14
                            Originally posted by AlienQ
                            I am tempted to open a video site and have ACACIA come in and shut off my Streaming video by court order then when the Patent is over turned file a fucken lawsuit for big time monetary damages to my business that was destined to make it big time.
                            I think many people are already doing it...Fucking attempted extortion

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                            • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                              best designer on GFY
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 30307

                              #15
                              Originally posted by spunky1

                              I think many people are already doing it...Fucking attempted extortion
                              I hope so, once the dust settles is when another fight will start.
                              The fight that puts them out of business settling suits that damaged hundreds of business ability to make money on the net.

                              Think about the losses them guys can claim in damages...

                              I really wish I had alot of money, I would be laughing my ass off knowing that in due time I would stand to make a 20 fold fortune off a small minimal investment of a video site!

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                              • cherrylula
                                lol
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 15969

                                #16
                                Didn't Disney sign too?

                                Guess we better burn any Disney items we own.

                                I'm gonna miss my little mermaid bathroom accessories.

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                                • AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                  best designer on GFY
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 30307

                                  #17
                                  Anyone wanna gimme 20K to make a kick ass video site so we can get it shut down?

                                  Please?

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                                  • The Truth Hurts
                                    Zph7YXfjMhg
                                    • Nov 2002
                                    • 15732

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by charly
                                    Had another licensee on ICQ yesterday who was asking if I could lighten up in my condemnation of them. My answer was no both times.
                                    which only poses the question...

                                    who the fuck are you to condemn anybody?

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                                    • Paul Markham
                                      Too old to care
                                      • Jun 2001
                                      • 52942

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by The Truth Hurts


                                      which only poses the question...

                                      who the fuck are you to condemn anybody?
                                      A nobody who stands up for what he thinks is right.



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                                      • Hammer
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Apr 2003
                                        • 961

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by charly
                                        A nobody who stands up for what he thinks is right.
                                        You're standing up for what you think is right and condeming others for doing what they think is right.

                                        The real question then is, who are you to decide who's right?
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