One more point regarding the auto-submitter part of the program......


A lot of tgp's don't like autosubmissions for one other very important reason. Autosubmitters don't visit the webmasters/submission pages, EVER. Well, they do it once to input the TGP, but that's it. By not visiting the submission page directly, the TGP owner percieves that as losing money.

Case in point: If I am selling ad space on my webmaster/submission pages, and barely any of my 1,000 submitters are even hitting that page, that is lost income. If I have banners up on that page to refer webmasters to new affiliate programs that I know and trust, but 80% of my submitters use an auto-submitter and never see those banners, THAT is lost income.

I can see where a lot of even the small to medium sized TGP's are finding ways of blocking auto-submissions these days. Any thoughts on that? I'm interested to hear anything anyone has to say on this subject.

Not at all. Personally, I prefer to talk/ICQ with the admin of a program, and negotiate to get a batch of the their content. I find that promoting a program with their own content works best for me, and many programs have a ton of content for promotional use. I hand-select the 15 or 16 pics I will use on any given gallery, so it is highly unlikely that another webmaster promoting that same sponsor will have the exact same gallery as me.


Aside from that, there are plenty of good affordable content sources out there. The one I personally promote is <a href="http://www.jactcontent.com/in/m/cdsmith" TARGET="_blank">Jact Content</a>.

True

But what about submission services that submit for you on your behalf? You don't see the ads then, either, do you?. And , that is basically what we do.

Besides, we're not "automatic" in the entire submission procedure. It is only automatic in the sense that none of our users have to partake in the process. Just like when you hire someone to do the submissions for you.

I used both programs mentioned in this thread (AS and GS).

At first i started with AS. Got some good results with a list i bought (about 65k daily to the gals). Not that much, but still.
Took me about 2-3 hours a day to create and submit the galleries.

After a week or 3 of daily submitting i stopped, because i was making near-to-nothing with my submitting. Templates used weren't that good, content neither, etc.

I then tried GS wich was way less work, and it generates me anywhere between 30k and 70k daily or so (with partner accounts).

Ofcourse, one program doesn't have to kill the other. The main advantage of GS is that it submits to a LOT of tgps. around 300-400 for one gallery (depends on the gallery content).

In the GS program you're able to edit the list of tgps to submit to. What you could do is disable every tgp in your handsubmit list in the GS admin panel, and do both (hand submit, and have GS submit to the other 200 tgps). The main advantage is that it will dramaticly increase your SE listing for those galleries, wich will make you sales eventually.

Try em both, see what you like, and then decide! Good luck :thumbsup

Can you guys address the rest of these questions too?


Great replies so far. :D

Hmmm. Well I have GASS, Russian , and Advanced Submitter.

Russian still has the biggest DB of all of them. Its strength is in high speed autosubmit for the small and medium size TGPS. It also has a Human Emulator for semi-auto submits for those TGPs where have to enter a code or wish to be able to review the submit form. It includes a great email confirmer. I've been using it for a couple years and its well worth the $25 MONTH.

I use GASS w AI-Roboform for my hand submits. It is simple, clean and the database is very easy to maintain. It is a small, fast program that never breaks. You will have enter the gallery link manually though.

I will eventually replace GASS with Advanced Submitter and I'm working on multiple DBs for both TGPs, aqnd Link list. This , IMHO, is the most flexible and advanced tool, but it does take some time to get the DB files setup and maintained.

As for GallerySubmitter, I have never tried it because of the ultra aggressive marketing and incessant negative comments about competing products by the owner turns me off. Also the so-called "free" versions requires that you use only "approved" sponsor links in your galleries.


I do have one question for the group though....
I have submitter accounts at many of the bigger TGPs, but for some reason I simply can never get accepted by LumberJack links or AL4a. I have tried AL4a multiple times and can never get them to respond. I have very clean galleries which meet the requirements but these two have been impossible for me to crack. Any hints?

I used to get listed a lot at AL4A, but over the past year it seems he's gone mostly with his own sponsor's hosted galleries and has cut way back on outside submissions.

Never heard of lumberjack's links, so I don't know who runs it.







What is the most daily uniques you "program" guys have seen to a single gallery? Using my hand-submit manual method I've seen 350K in a day, from time to time. Hasn't happened lately though, but then again I haven't been submitting much. But 50-100k is pretty doable for anyone that cares to put forth the effort. For a few hours work a day (once you get organized) it can certainly be worth it if your galleries are tight.

You probably won't have much luck at Lumberjacks.

The person that runs it lists the same galleries made by the same partner accounts (I think there's about 20-25 or so different partner accounts.)

It's easy to go through like 10 galleries without clicking far down the page, all of which have the same template, link codes, etc.

ronbotx: Hit me up at 106164875 (icq) or progex02 (aim)

Nice shit dude! :thumbsup

Will try to give some decent answers here.
AdvancedSubmitter costs $98. GS cost nothing but you have to use specific sponsors. Otherwise you have to pay a fee for every posted gallery.

AdvancedSubmitter uses a customized database. You can add/delete sites at wish, partitioned them to several niche and so on. People sell those databases as well. You may check http://forum.advancedsubmitter.com to read threads regarding the program and its database.

I would say there are two types of users. Those that want to press a button and make some income and those that don't matter putting some effort to make the biggest possible income. It really depends on how you see things. GS is for the first type of user, AdvancedSubmitter is for the second one.

If currently you handsubmit you will find AdvancedSubmitter a natural extension to your daily work. Its really not much different except the reduced submission time.

If, however, you want a quick and dirty solution, go for GS.

If someome wants to ask anything about AdvancedSubmitter, I am the programmer/ owner, you can contact me at: 165-075-368

(Broda: as you can see I try to be decent with your submission service, although I don't think you do the same).

Great post, CDSMith!!!:thumbsup

this thread has cleared up alot of things for me, thanks

i think it's great experience that you're sharing here... although i've had the challenge that most other submitters run across with getting listed at the major TGPs.

even if you follow the rules, hand submit the cleanest galleries, etc... there's still a rare chance that you'll get listed in my experience. i've been following the rules at thehun for instance for months now and i've been listed once in the overflow.

of all the question emails i've fired off to webmasters to ask what's up - i've never had a reply. (i don't really expect one i guess... it'd be nice though) my wonder is if this is a result of submitting gay galleries... even though the vast majority of major tgps have a gay section i don't seem to get any traction.

just my :2 cents:

ill try what CDSmith wrote :)
great post!!!


btw CD , do you have ICQ ? :thumbsup

pxtreme, thanks :)
In fact I think I have sent you maybe 10 or 20 new users the last 2 months... so I am treating your program with the outmost respect.. if ppl want a desktop submitter, I send them to you..
I take it you would rather make a few bucks rather than hear a lot of compliments from me on the boards, right?

This is truely a great post!! :thumbsup

Awesome threads for those people not in the know. EVen great for those who do. It's always good to keep an eye on new TGP's that have spawned off of large TGP's. Those TGP's often have instant feeder traffic, and you can generally grab an account. :thumbsup

fellas, this has been the most helpful thread i have seen on this board for the few months i have been reading on it.....thanks for clearing up a lot of questions:thumbsup

CD i am wondering what amount of bandwith i should alot for in doing what you recommend in your first post.......or anyone's opinion in that matter would be appreciated

if you're really doing TGP'n you best off getting your own box, this way you don't have to worry about joe blow running a million scripts and it's causing your galleries to load slow, and BW is not a problem

quality post.

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Thanks for the detailed answer, much appreciated.

Compliments probably aren't necessary, but a few of your initial posts in this thread lacked that certain ounce of respect that pxtreme was referring to.





Bump for the weekday crowd.

Sorry for chiming in so late. I'm new to the scene, and I went with GallerySubmitter initially because I really didn't know there was anything else out there. It's true that you can only submit their own programs unless you buy "credits", in which case you can submit for any sponsor you want. I really liked the interface, though there was a bit of a learning curve at first. My only gripe was that there was no place that told you how many credits you have left, so you're stuck guessing if your next gallery submit will work or not. Other than that, I liked it. Very useful tool for people like me who are lazy :)

That's how I've been doing it for years.:thumbsup

I never understood making galleries as an affiliate (ok some submitters are very good but talking about the average)

Let's say you get 100K/day to your galleries

thats (at 1% clickthrought) 1000 clicks to your sponsor

at 1:800 -> 31 000 clicks/800 = 39 sales at 30$ = 1170$

minus maybe 300$ for hosting -> 900 bucks/month for that mutch work!

What am I missing here?

1:800 sounds pretty high to me, unless you're promoting Teen.

I don't submit galleries... Any more input?

The figures you've described can happen, yes. Especially when you're just beginning and trying to learn the game. But once you get the hang of it, you'll find that it's a real science. If you're good at choosing a good sponsor, choosing the right content, making good galleries that will send the clicks, those figures can be greatly increased.

On 100k uniques to a good gallery, you can send more than 1000 clicks to the sponsor, I've sent as much as 2500 in a day to one sponsor, although that's quite rare. When I was submitting full bore I was averaging maybe 1200 to 1500 a day to the sponsor, but was converting as well as 1:200 up to 1:1000. I've had sponsors converting 1:140 from time to time from my galleries.


But speaking for my own business model, galleries are only a part of what I do to bring in money. I can see your point if galleries is the only thing you're going to do. For someone like that, they better work damn hard at it. No, for me I also have a network of free sites, a few TGP's, some "babe & bikini" type softcore sites, and some mainstream sites too. The traffic that runs through all that earns me as much as I've ever earned from gallery submits, and it's fairly constant on it's own. I broker traffic, and I've done design and site maintenance/optimization work for tons of webmasters over the years.

I also have business interests outside of the internet, I own rental property.

The reason I'm saying all this is to let others know that submitting galleries isn't the end-all-be-all goldmine of the century anymore, but it still can be a nice extra income IF you learn the game and play it smart.

Thanks so much CDSmith :thumbsup

I haven't made a single sale yet, I started gallery submissions a week ago. I was glad to read that building a list of submit pages etc was a good idea, I took half of your advice before I even read it. :)

It was good to get that in writing though, I know what I'm doing more certainly now. Keep up the good work !

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