you should have removed 'HEADER' while cut and pasting
from notepad :2 cents:

Nice post Bauhaus, totally right. These $30-35 programs paying that much on $1 trials would just lose money without shaving.

And yep for $100-200 you could add a shave feature to any program, and i'm 100% sure almost every major persignup program has them nicely built in and actively using them none stop. Just look at PIBcash.com and there stats they were still losing money for the first months on a lot of there affilates after shaving 30-35% of sales. What about these programs paying $35-40 per $1 trial do we really believe they are not shaving??

Garry is a stand up guy and MPA2 has kickass support & runs perfectly well for us.

Matt
Wildcash.com

Does MPA2 know which sponsor shave?

Until MPA2 removes the shave modula from their program completely or shows a shave percentage(like CCBill) in the webmaster aree maybe than more webmaster would trust MPA2.

NOT

I hate 2 admit it but I think you are right sir.:Graucho

You got's that right. Most have shit for content.

good read :glugglug

if they knew they sure the shit wouldn't tell you, me or anyone else. And they ain't going 2 remove it. this same stuff has been posted 3 or 4 times on this board and the shave is still in.
fuck'em

:stoned

sad that MPA2 is dying
it could have been a nice program bring mansion a lot of money
if only they would have never implemented the shave function
no serious program can now even think about using mpa2 as no serious webmaster will promote it
i know a lot of guys who won't no more

its kinda sad

:glugglug

50 accessories to fraud.

i think regardless of what former clients say about you, you shot yourself in the foot when you admitted you had a shave module built into your software

THAT in itself speaks VOLUMES about the type of person YOU are and the type of client YOU want to service.

I'm surprised anyone still sends traffic to you. You spent 8 years "building your rep" well i hate to burst your bubble, but your "rep" is that you're a shaving fuck

8 years must be a long time to work so hard to be known as a dishonest person :2 cents:

mpa2 should hold some responsibility of those cheating sponsors who are using mpa2. because mpa2 provides easy to use shaving feature in its product. :2 cents: :2 cents:

I'm sorry, but LinkUpPro is a piece of shit. Very amateur work.

Also, I'm curious. How does a sponsor just "go away" for a month. WTF?? You buy new billing software then take a month's vaction?

Says who? What's your background? Are you a computer programmer yourself? I am with post graduate education in CS so if you explain it to me I will understand :winkwink: So tell me why is linkup a very amateur work? I've copies of starting from tgsw to advanced submitter and many softwares in between I still think LinkUp is pretty solid submit software even thou it's an old one so enlighten me.. what did I miss? What you know that I don't?

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=253683

All my responses are in the original thread, as I'm sure anyone
can see I have stated my position pretty clearly and anything
from here on in is just Mansion digging a deeper hole.

Garry.... Let it rest....

When the world sees MPA3 and how you've listened to your
customers it will be a fresh new day.


Cheese: I don't have any emails from you complaining and I even
let you run multiple copies for the price of one. Now is not the
time or the place to tell me you have feature requests. I'll happly
add any changes you have in mind if they are good for LinkUp.

Garry: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=253683

-Ben

:1orglaugh I gotta a gree on that:thumbsup

This script, it's not going to go away...
Mansion is constantly improving this script and I think what they done so far is great. This topic is so fucken yesterday and if ya follow the shit carefully I would bet that many coders would love to get there hands on the source...

Very easy.
For one, LinkUpPro bypasses the form all together and just sends the values of the fields. Just about any decent tgp script can detect this. For example, some scripts use cookies when submitting. Advanced submitter and a few others like it actually load the page in a browser window, fill out the fields then submit.
Even the install file of linkUpPro is amateur work. You have to download the ms jet engine and other dll's seperately. I assume it was written in vb. This is very easy to do with the package and deployment wizard. This doesn't bother me, but I'm sure many people had problems with installations.
I haven't used it in a while, but I remember there being a bunch of features or lack of that I had a problem with. One was only having 1 description field. I mean, come on.
The category engine if you could even call it that sucked ass. You were pretty much stuck with whatever categories were already there. Sure, you could add more, but the way the program was built, it would be a big pain in the ass 'cause you would have to modify every record.
Also, updating it was a pain in the ass. Not user friendly what so ever. Would rather just use access.
Now, if you have a copy of both Advanced Submitter and LinkUpPro, but you use LinkUpPro cause it's "solid submit software" then maybe you should go back to school:) As a matter of fact, anyone using programs like linkup or tgsw now a days should go back to school.
I mean really dude. Mr. yellow might be your friend, but ...

btw, if you're a computer programmer, then you should know that a degree means dick in IT. No school or degree will make you a good programmer. Some of the best programmers are self tought.

I had to bump this... - - - - -

Interesting statement...

I think that one of the main reasons Mansion Productions is being talked about as much as it is, is due to the fact that we grew somewhere between 300% - 400% in the year of 2003.

Think about that for a minute.......

minute gone........

We have the most effective and most productive ($$$$$ wise) product produced for our industry in the last few years. MPA2.

I would love to make you all happy, but that will not happen, so I will make the customers of mine that are serious in what they are doing happy - the rest... I will try my best...

The end...

to be continued............

:)

so true...It is sad to see a program with such potential have a shave mod.

Mansion guys are some of the best people to work with in this industry. Think about what all you people are saying....EVERY merchant holder can shave....Every affiliate software written by anyone can be programmed to shave....Even Paycom can, Ccbill can, Jettis, ANYONE who holds the merchant with the bank can have a shaving script written and you wouldnt ever know....for example we use Paycom and Ccbill as processors and have stats provided by them online, how would we know if they dont shave?

You have ONLY 2 choices:

1) At some point you either trust the companies you work with and use them to process for you and pay you.

2) GET YOUR OWN MERCHANT ACCOUNT and you wont worry about anyone shaving your balls!

If you go with 1 first choice, just interview the company, ask for reference on what kind of people own it, meet with them, check stats, compare with your data, monitor, test sales, etc..thats the best you can do IF you are depending on someone else to be affiliated to make money. Or else do it all yourself for yourself only!

No company can make EVERY single one of their clients happy. Those that are not, move on, those who are continue gowth and success with what they have.

And last but not least.....sign up with multiple sponsor programs and which ever you make more money with , just send your traffic to that one....thats it! There is no promises, gaurantees or warranties!

Good luck...and work with people you feel comfortable with.

The mpa guys have been awesome. There has been some issues here and there but they have always been quick to fix them. Their growth has been tremendous in the past year and I think that is good in some ways and bad in others. But there support has still been excellent.

Any statements about not being able to shave with ccbill is complete and utter bullshit. We used ccbill as our primary a few years ago and were setting it everything up and we had some things incorrect in the admin and it was not counting any signups for any affiliates. We fixed the problem but from this experience we know with ccbill you can shave, we accidently did it for a day or so but still went in and tracked the signups and paid our affiliates.

As for dropping the mpa2 and just relying on ccbill's affiliate program, bad move. You have one processor which is suicide if they ever go down. We used to use just ccbill's affiliate program so we know alot about it. It is great for a start but after a little while you need cascade billing, better stats etc. Webmasters also make more with cascade billing as well as the company.

I post my sig here, we use the mpa2 and are proud of it. It is an awesome program. So if you think we shave do a test signup at anytime and see that you get credit. Every fucking program out there can shave so easily. I am sure most of you are being shaved in some way. Maybe not with signups but if you are promoting a program that has a hundred entry consoles, well isn't that shaving in a way? You are sending traffic and a surfer visits the site and popup after popup comes up for other affiliate programs where you are not getting credit. This is why we can no entry consoles on our sites. Anyhoo I am done.

Mark

Oystein......

you try to say that I'm giving you bad publicity.....

yet you keep bumping the threads.....

Hi shills....

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=253683

My responses to being called a "liar" over and over and over
again by Garry are in the original thread. Garry and yourself are
making Mansion look worse by threatening me and keeping these
threats alive. There is no way you can say I'm aiming to discredit
you if you're the one keeping the threads alive.

It's better to just support your customers and listen to your market.

I've done my best to quiet this down, not for my own gain but for
yours as a show of some kind of respect.... Yet you go out of your
way to fight with me. I just don't get it.... relax and move on.


As for shaving....

Mansion is in a unique position, which if they open their eyes
could benefit them greatly.

Affiliates demand no shaving.
Sponsors want affiliates.

Mansion provides billing software which is impossible to
encrypted and can be setup in a way which can prove there is no
shaving (this is possible from Mansions unique viewpoint).

1 + 1 = 2

If Mansion comes out with MPA3 and includes no shaving module.
Yet further goes out of their way to ensure here is no way the
system will work if any kind of shave is added. Then they will
make the affiliates happy. If the affiliates are happy the sponsors
will be happy. I'm sure Mark would love to say "I don't shave and
can prove it" instead of having to post here and deny they use
the feature. I know from experience just switching off MPA2 which
is known to have an easy and obvious shaving feature (very first
thing you see when you login into the admin) has made our
affiliate network grow exponentially.

Those sponsors that want to shave can always use something
else and they'll always get sponsors using their software.
However the market demands this and it's what sponsors need
from Mansion.

Given my issues with them were unrelated to the shaving
module. However this has turned out to be the biggest issue to
come from our switch.

Oystein.... you're not doing yourself any favours. I was ready to
let this rest but keep kicking up these false accusations of
slander and lies and I'll have to keep responding.

If you post here again I will respond in the thread which I'm sure
you don't want to see bumped.

-Ben

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=253683

-Ben

Ben,

Bump, I actually do not think the mpa guys do not care if this thread is bumped. I think they actually want it bumped with opinions of the 80+ companies using mpa2. If I was the mpa2 guys I would want this thread bumped. I would want it resolved rather than just forgotten. I would also want everyones opinions that are currently using mpa2. 1-2 unhappy customers out of 80 is not too bad, they can't make everyone happy. They have always asked what the webmasters wanted in the program on and even with mpa3. I COMPLETLY agree with you that the mpa3 should have the shaving feature removed. I would love that. I actually told them this a couple weeks ago they should do that. I think that would be an awesome move for them and end the mpa2 shaving posts.
If they are not sure of this maybe they should ask their current webmasters what they want. I vote for MPA2 to please remove the shaving option.

Mark

BUMP

And request honored - more to follow...

:thumbsup

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=253683

Well if they want opinions they can do it on a thread that doesn't
include a guy calling me a liar.... lets see....

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10 times I was called a liar when I have not lied once....

I'm the kind of guy that has lost girlfriends because I told them
the truth when I should have lied. It is against my very nature to
lie and to be called a liar is the greatest insult to my character.

Garry may not know about the hassles I've had simply because
he didn't take the time to make sure I was a happy customer. I
wasn't a happy customer... and when I made them aware of
issues I had.... I was promptly ignored... Then promptly called an
idiot.... then promptly called a liar.... fantastic support.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=253683

My next reply to this thread will be in original and I'll only stop
here to post links to other unhappy customers and affiliates. I
started the topic, I didn't start the fight, but I'll finish it if Mansion
hasn't got the forsight to stop trying to push this back onto me.
I'm just an unhappy customer. It's great to see how they treat
customers that don't shill post for them.

-Ben

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Ben, the moment you actually contact us for an issue, rather than yelling about some on the boards, then we will back off. You opened something you could not back up, and there you go...

No worries, I dont hold grudges...

Call me if you want to chat. You have my numbers. (You have had my numbers since day one........)

- Oystein

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...87#post3690887

My responses.

I have not lied.

I never lie.

I never shave.

I listen to my customers.

They'll tell you I'm 100% stand-up.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...87#post3690887

-Ben

So, you have over 3k in posts and don't know what MPA2 is, don't know that you can run an independant affiliate script with CCBill, and now you're handing out incorrect leagl definitions and semi-advice. hahahahaha You are a riot!

I'm going to play devil's advocate.

Oystein, do you think that increase was due to the ability to shave?

Why so defensive, guys? Everyone's company has been trashed in some way for some reason. Unless you feel these statements have merit. Why feel the need to do or say anything more than "I invite anyone to try our product for themselves...yada yada"

If your support, service, etc. speaks for itself, why not let it?

when your willing to take the built in shave feature out of MPA2 then I'll be willing to read your 1200 word essays..

untill then, I don't give a fuck if you are getting bashed on the board unfairly..because your software makes it easy for webmasters like me to get ripped off. So inturn you are ripping me off..

you sound very professional
too bad you provide others with a means to rob me
thanks, asshole

As a measure of industry responsibility, I strongly believe larger programs should have independent stats audit committees regardless of whether they use MPA2.

why don't we list all sponsors who are using MPA2, and let them give explaination on their businesses ??

:glugglug

:1orglaugh

here's another bump you thieving bastards

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

My bro you know the cliche?
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
So stupid of a saying I know but fuck it.

If any other guys stepped up to the plate like Oyestien has then they would be a target to. Its that simple.