who here has seen their profit DECREASE throughout the years? - GoFuckYourself.com

03-18-2004, 10:53 PM

I'm talking to the people who have been here for 3+ years

any of you are making less money and blame it on "the times"?

discuss

chupacabra · 03-18-2004, 10:57 PM

making a bit less money than 3 years ago, definitely not sure if i'd blame it on "the times" or not though; more saturation and P2P i think, no complaints though, sure beats 9-5..!

cluck · 03-18-2004, 11:01 PM

Well yeah, but I was spamming 3 years ago

torrey · 03-18-2004, 11:02 PM

stephanie m. · 03-18-2004, 11:06 PM

I've only been around for 2 years, but I have seen a very pronounced decrease in earnings.

Guesswho · 03-18-2004, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdjuf
I'm talking to the people who have been here for 3+ years

any of you are making less money and blame it on "the times"?

discuss

I think most people have seen profits decline.....but don't expect
many to admit it....

Xplicit · 03-18-2004, 11:16 PM

Ive had my ups and downs. This is a completely unpredictable business.

Guesswho · 03-18-2004, 11:17 PM

Do you guys think it will continue to decline or do you expect at
some point to see profits go back up again? If so what makes
you think/expect it will go up again? Technology, new markets
or just that it will grow when the economy improves again?

Guesswho · 03-18-2004, 11:21 PM

I think the people who've seen increase in profits most likely
expanded their business by adding more sites or other ventures and therefor gained more profit..... I believe the general trend is
still going downwards if you look at it per site/project......of course
there will be some exceptions.....but I'm afraid very few......

Guesswho · 03-18-2004, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xplicit
Ive had my ups and downs. This is a completely unpredictable business.

sorry lame joke coming up........

the only predictable thing about this industry is that it will stay
unpredictable......

but then again I guess that's also one the charming things about
it......always something happening.....good or bad.....and still
you know for sure that no matter what will happen sex and this
industry will always stay......as long as humans will live......

for the people that didn't know already I'm stoned as fuck please
forgive me for posting nothing but bullshit.....

chupacabra · 03-18-2004, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Guesswho
Do you guys think it will continue to decline or do you expect at
some point to see profits go back up again? If so what makes
you think/expect it will go up again? Technology, new markets
or just that it will grow when the economy improves again?

i actually expect it to become harder and harder to garner heavy profits as more and more new people flood in trying for the easy buck; the extra competition will surely drive innovation but at the same time drive many out of the business altogether..

JulianSosa · 03-18-2004, 11:26 PM

90% of everyone who has been here 4+ years has seen the "Profit" decrease

Guesswho · 03-18-2004, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chupacabra

i actually expect it to become harder and harder to garner heavy profits as more and more new people flood in trying for the easy buck; the extra competition will surely drive innovation but at the same time drive many out of the business altogether..

I agree I expect a lot of people to fall of the train the ones that
actually know what they are doing will stay and at some point
they will go up again.......fact is there are still too many people
that don't have the skills to run a good business.....while it
may seem to be an easy industry to make money I truly believe
the opposite is true......that basically goes for any type of business........a bunch have benefitted from the trend/hype and
the lack of knowledge from the users but now the time has come
that the users are smarter and have seen the shit that is around
and won't be satisfied with it anymore......

The surfer is getting smarter and starts to demand quality instead
of just trying things out and see what he will get......

This requires serious business skills from the providers to answer
and deliver to those demands......the qold diggers that are here
for a quick buck can not follow this demand and will slowly seek
another thing to try their luck.......

I believe actually that when a lot of these gold diggers have left
the ones who remain will benefit a lot from the ones who left
not so much because of less competition but because there will
be less crap and the overall quality will go up.......which will result
in happier surfers that will get fucked less....and regain some kind
of trust which will make them buy more easy.........

Consumer trust in this industry is I think at an alltime low.....I think this the number 1 reason why profits are down.....even more
than economic situation......

damn another long post.....once again sorry.....maybe if I light up one last joint....I quit....for today....hehehe

Guesswho · 03-18-2004, 11:46 PM

Call me completely nuts but the problem is that it's too easy for
people to enter this industry......any yerk with a PC and a few
pics can start a site and 1 start ripping people off and 2 damage
the reputation of the whole industry.

It has always suprised me that it was that easy to get CC
processing......there is no decent quality control or there
never used to be.......

and there are no required skills to start to conduct a business
on the internet.......I know that will never change but it would
be good that in some way you would need to meet certain demands before you can start a business where you charge
customers money.......

oh well in a perfect world

liquidmoe · 03-18-2004, 11:50 PM

When the industry first started there wasnt enough supply to fill the huge demand, that is finally starting to level out and a oversaturation is going to occur. Then there will be some hard times, the market will correct itself, a few players will get burned, mostly the small to middle men, but the big boys will remain. After that profits should go up a bit for them, when that will happen is a bit uncertain.

However, barriers to entry are almost nonexistent at this point, the only real trouble is content production with the legal work, studio, equipment and so forth and on the paysite front the fees involved in getting the project of the ground. Since that has the highest barriers to entry that will be the first market to recover after oversaturation weeds out the weakest players.

Just my

but I'm intoxicated so dont blame me for any B.S.

eroswebmaster · 03-18-2004, 11:51 PM

I've seen it fluctuate but as time goes on I feel like I'm building a nice foundation and my earnings will hopefully continue to increase.

$5 submissions · 03-18-2004, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Xplicit
Ive had my ups and downs. This is a completely unpredictable business.

I concur. But I try to use the 'down' periods as opportunites to learn.

Guesswho · 03-18-2004, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by liquidmoe
When the industry first started there wasnt enough supply to fill the huge demand, that is finally starting to level out and a oversaturation is going to occur. Then there will be some hard times, the market will correct itself, a few players will get burned, mostly the small to middle men, but the big boys will remain. After that profits should go up a bit for them, when that will happen is a bit uncertain.

However, barriers to entry are almost nonexistent at this point, the only real trouble is content production with the legal work, studio, equipment and so forth and on the paysite front the fees involved in getting the project of the ground. Since that has the highest barriers to entry that will be the first market to recover after oversaturation weeds out the weakest players.

Just my but I'm intoxicated so dont blame me for any B.S.

Fuck man am I glad showed up and replied......I already thought
I was just talking to myself.......I agree with you even though
I doubt if people can get oversaturated with sex.......I think you
mean too much of the same......that I agree too much sex in general I think is not the case.....I mean people basicly have
been looking to pretty much the same stuff all their lifes.....

anyway I'm quite sure you meant the first......I might aswell just
delete this reply......but for the sake of the thread I'll leave it......

hey man, after all it's a reply.....lol

Cindyff · 03-18-2004, 11:57 PM

6 years ago i was making less but also working far less. Now i have to work 12+ hours a day 7 days a week to keep growing. Visa is one reason why we make less, too much free porn is another and fucked up billing companies who are too frightened of their own shadow, so they give our money away, you all know who i mean ?

riosluts · 03-18-2004, 11:58 PM

yeah same here. 3 years ago I was doing excellent and then it slowly kept on declining. Its basically because there are way too many webmasters out there

Guesswho · 03-19-2004, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by $5 submissions

I concur. But I try to use the 'down' periods as opportunites to learn.

very wise.....they are also good and I think even necesary as
a reality check....to make you realise that when things are good
you have to keep staying on top of it.......they also help you
realise how much things are worth......so you can enjoy and
appreciate it more....

Paul Markham · 03-19-2004, 12:01 AM

Only been on the Interent side of porn for two years, but seen profits and turn over go up and not stop. However in the last couple of moths it seems to have levelled off.

What is happening is more professionals are coming into the Internet Porn business and a lot of those already in it are getting better. So the old ideas of throwing up a site and steering millions of clicks to it is getting less and less profitable.

If you are to make money today and more importantly tomorrow you now have to be ready to compete with people like me who have been in porn decades rather than months, people who were in it over 5 years and learnt how to provide a quality product.

There will always be people earnig a few quick bucks in this business, but the future is about supplying a quality experience, not making a quick buck.

Guesswho · 03-19-2004, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cindyff
6 years ago i was making less but also working far less. Now i have to work 12+ hours a day 7 days a week to keep growing. Visa is one reason why we make less, too much free porn is another and fucked up billing companies who are too frightened of their own shadow, so they give our money away, you all know who i mean ?

The billing problems I believe are temporary.....I mean CC's were
not made for internet billing.....and all the rules and problems that
we see today are according me mainly the result of that the card
companies have not found a decent way to handle internet
transactions..... they jumped in with processing but business
overtook their technology and expectations which created a lot
of things that they apperently never expected.......now they need
to find a way to catch up........until they catch up....things will stay
shaky......I think

liquidmoe · 03-19-2004, 12:08 AM

Well the main difference I was referring to was the golden age about 7 years ago when with zero knowledge you can start up a site and easily make $2-10K. I mean stuff that you would look at now and almost vomit actually made good cash, but that was because supply was so low.

So its not that people can ever get enough sex, but that the number of suppliers that are providing it gets too be too much, which was I was referring to.

Of course thats not to say that if you dont work more, try new ideas, that you can't make more cash then you were before. But just the overall economics of the situation would dictate profits per person/group decrasing until oversaturation is reversed.

BradM · 03-19-2004, 12:09 AM

Hmmmm. I make less than I did 3 years ago.

Guesswho · 03-19-2004, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Only been on the Interent side of porn for two years, but seen profits and turn over go up and not stop. However in the last couple of moths it seems to have levelled off.

What is happening is more professionals are coming into the Internet Porn business and a lot of those already in it are getting better. So the old ideas of throwing up a site and steering millions of clicks to it is getting less and less profitable.

If you are to make money today and more importantly tomorrow you now have to be ready to compete with people like me who have been in porn decades rather than months, people who were in it over 5 years and learnt how to provide a quality product.

There will always be people earnig a few quick bucks in this business, but the future is about supplying a quality experience, not making a quick buck.

Amen......!

bdld · 03-19-2004, 12:13 AM

I'm making more now than before, BUT it's taking me so much more work.. I wish i had the knowledge I have now back then.. i could have truly cashed in.

liquidmoe · 03-19-2004, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdld
I'm making more now than before, BUT it's taking me so much more work.. I wish i had the knowledge I have now back then.. i could have truly cashed in.

You could say that about anything. If I knew then what I know now, I would have cashed in on real estate.

inthestars · 03-19-2004, 02:19 AM

I did have that problem, in fact I had to go back to the day job. But luckily I regained my footing by learning to diversify if every way imaginable. Now, I'm back to working at home. The business is crazy and unpredictable. Try and wean yourself off sponsors, you'll have much more stability if you are selling content or some other product. Also, get into mainstream if you can.

kush · 03-19-2004, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
What is happening is more professionals are coming into the Internet Porn business and a lot of those already in it are getting better. So the old ideas of throwing up a site and steering millions of clicks to it is getting less and less profitable.

I agree with you here.

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
There will always be people earnig a few quick bucks in this business, but the future is about supplying a quality experience, not making a quick buck.

I'm not so sure I agree with this... if by "quality" you mean a site with clean, targetted advertising and no bullshit then I agree.

But if by quality you mean lots of very good, free porn with limited ads then I strongly dissent.

Kamilla36D · 03-19-2004, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chupacabra
making a bit less money than 3 years ago, definitely not sure if i'd blame it on "the times" or not though; more saturation and P2P i think, no complaints though, sure beats 9-5..!

Yes, I agree - things has changed and it's not as easy as it use to be - now I actually have to work for a living lol But no complaints here

SoBeGirl Video · 03-21-2004, 08:20 AM

Diversify...... I started with httP;//www.************* then I built http://www.sobecams.com then I built http://www.crazycontent.com and now I am investing in real estate.

If one thing does not make me that much money anymore then some of the others will take the slack. That is the way I see it.

Times get tough the tough get going :-)

And yes, surfers are smarter today. many of them know how to use and cancel a trial.

03-18-2004, 10:53 PM	#1
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03-18-2004, 11:01 PM	#3
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03-18-2004, 11:02 PM	#4
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03-18-2004, 11:50 PM	#15
liquidmoe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 4,994	When the industry first started there wasnt enough supply to fill the huge demand, that is finally starting to level out and a oversaturation is going to occur. Then there will be some hard times, the market will correct itself, a few players will get burned, mostly the small to middle men, but the big boys will remain. After that profits should go up a bit for them, when that will happen is a bit uncertain. However, barriers to entry are almost nonexistent at this point, the only real trouble is content production with the legal work, studio, equipment and so forth and on the paysite front the fees involved in getting the project of the ground. Since that has the highest barriers to entry that will be the first market to recover after oversaturation weeds out the weakest players. Just my but I'm intoxicated so dont blame me for any B.S. __________________ Take Luck!

03-18-2004, 10:57 PM	#2
chupacabra Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,626	making a bit less money than 3 years ago, definitely not sure if i'd blame it on "the times" or not though; more saturation and P2P i think, no complaints though, sure beats 9-5..!

03-18-2004, 11:16 PM	#7
Xplicit Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: █◄►█ Posts: 3,558	Ive had my ups and downs. This is a completely unpredictable business.

03-18-2004, 11:17 PM	#8
Guesswho Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 105	Do you guys think it will continue to decline or do you expect at some point to see profits go back up again? If so what makes you think/expect it will go up again? Technology, new markets or just that it will grow when the economy improves again?

03-18-2004, 11:21 PM	#9
Guesswho Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 105	I think the people who've seen increase in profits most likely expanded their business by adding more sites or other ventures and therefor gained more profit..... I believe the general trend is still going downwards if you look at it per site/project......of course there will be some exceptions.....but I'm afraid very few......

03-18-2004, 11:26 PM	#12
JulianSosa Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,042	90% of everyone who has been here 4+ years has seen the "Profit" decrease

03-18-2004, 11:46 PM	#14
Guesswho Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 105	Call me completely nuts but the problem is that it's too easy for people to enter this industry......any yerk with a PC and a few pics can start a site and 1 start ripping people off and 2 damage the reputation of the whole industry. It has always suprised me that it was that easy to get CC processing......there is no decent quality control or there never used to be....... and there are no required skills to start to conduct a business on the internet.......I know that will never change but it would be good that in some way you would need to meet certain demands before you can start a business where you charge customers money....... oh well in a perfect world

03-18-2004, 11:51 PM	#16
eroswebmaster March 1st, 2003 Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seat 4 @ Venetian Poker Room Posts: 20,295	I've seen it fluctuate but as time goes on I feel like I'm building a nice foundation and my earnings will hopefully continue to increase. __________________ For rent - ICQ 127-027-910 Click here for more details

03-18-2004, 11:57 PM	#19
Cindyff Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,187	6 years ago i was making less but also working far less. Now i have to work 12+ hours a day 7 days a week to keep growing. Visa is one reason why we make less, too much free porn is another and fucked up billing companies who are too frightened of their own shadow, so they give our money away, you all know who i mean ?

03-18-2004, 11:58 PM	#20
riosluts Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5,250	yeah same here. 3 years ago I was doing excellent and then it slowly kept on declining. Its basically because there are way too many webmasters out there __________________

03-19-2004, 12:01 AM	#22
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Only been on the Interent side of porn for two years, but seen profits and turn over go up and not stop. However in the last couple of moths it seems to have levelled off. What is happening is more professionals are coming into the Internet Porn business and a lot of those already in it are getting better. So the old ideas of throwing up a site and steering millions of clicks to it is getting less and less profitable. If you are to make money today and more importantly tomorrow you now have to be ready to compete with people like me who have been in porn decades rather than months, people who were in it over 5 years and learnt how to provide a quality product. There will always be people earnig a few quick bucks in this business, but the future is about supplying a quality experience, not making a quick buck. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

03-19-2004, 12:08 AM	#24
liquidmoe Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 4,994	Well the main difference I was referring to was the golden age about 7 years ago when with zero knowledge you can start up a site and easily make $2-10K. I mean stuff that you would look at now and almost vomit actually made good cash, but that was because supply was so low. So its not that people can ever get enough sex, but that the number of suppliers that are providing it gets too be too much, which was I was referring to. Of course thats not to say that if you dont work more, try new ideas, that you can't make more cash then you were before. But just the overall economics of the situation would dictate profits per person/group decrasing until oversaturation is reversed. __________________ Take Luck!

03-19-2004, 12:09 AM	#25
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	Hmmmm. I make less than I did 3 years ago.

03-19-2004, 12:13 AM	#27
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	I'm making more now than before, BUT it's taking me so much more work.. I wish i had the knowledge I have now back then.. i could have truly cashed in.

03-19-2004, 02:19 AM	#29
inthestars Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: California Posts: 2,021	I did have that problem, in fact I had to go back to the day job. But luckily I regained my footing by learning to diversify if every way imaginable. Now, I'm back to working at home. The business is crazy and unpredictable. Try and wean yourself off sponsors, you'll have much more stability if you are selling content or some other product. Also, get into mainstream if you can.

03-21-2004, 08:20 AM	#32
SoBeGirl Video So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Planet earth Posts: 2,493	Diversify...... I started with httP;//www.************* then I built http://www.sobecams.com then I built http://www.crazycontent.com and now I am investing in real estate. If one thing does not make me that much money anymore then some of the others will take the slack. That is the way I see it. Times get tough the tough get going :-) And yes, surfers are smarter today. many of them know how to use and cancel a trial.