EDITORIAL: My thoughts on ACACIA and companies licensing with them. - GoFuckYourself.com

Juicy D. Links · 03-15-2004, 10:10 AM

My thoughts on ACACIA and companies licensing with them.

TBH i really do not understand why some individuals boycott or get upset with companies that settle.
Business is business. They have to look after the best interests of there business. Sure alot of companies have BIG MONEY to fight
but how many of you have actually been involved in a lawsuit and know what goes on with it?
I have 2 yrs ago and let me tell you from first hand experience it is not pretty, even if you think you have a solid case.
Throw in lawyers ,motions , postponements, getting served and all that adds up to is stress and anguish.
The suit i was involved in lasted close to 9 months. I am not even gonna tell you how much money was given to the scum bag lawyers
or the stress I was put through. Sleepless nights, fights with lawyers , and on and on. Motion after motion , postponement , judge went on vacation, process server
ringing your doorbell early morning and so on. If i could go back in time i would have worked out a agreement with the other party instead trying to prove who had the bigger
cock in the court system.

Bottom line is I am here to make money , settled or not with Acacia I really could care less. All that matters to me is the checks and the amounts other stuff
I dont take personally.

This has been your daily editorial from MASSIVE Q

4Pics · 03-15-2004, 10:11 AM

I try to support more companies that haven't settled then that have. But I haven't singled out and not promoted anyone because of it yet.

FightThisPatent · 03-15-2004, 10:20 AM

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Originally posted by juicylinks

TBH i really do not understand why some individuals boycott or get upset with companies that settle.
Business is business.

Brutha Juicy, i agree with you.... if a business feels it's best for their business to license, then it's their decisions to do so.

The real issue here is when companies are being targeted for the indirect or contributory infringement (ie. affiliates, TGPers, etc) that don't directly infringe upon the patent, but yet, are targeted.

These guys have a harder time making the "business decision" to license, because it is more absurd, since they don't "use" the claimed patent.

Bigger companies with deeper pockets could fight, but as your personal experience has chosen, in the end, the lawyers are the ones that win out.

But when you have a space that has additional patent holders like SightSound and USA Video, there has to be a point, where despite paying lots of moneys to attorneys, that the winners in the end, are not just the attorneys, but to all companies that stand up and fight against what is wrong.

Acacia should be targeting the paysites, the Microsoft, CNN, Apple, etc of companies who "use" the DMT patent.

They can decide if they want to add another "Cost of Goods Sold" line item to their spreadsheets and pay the license.

When there is a large number of companies that are targeted by so broad of a patent interpretation, it has to strike a chord in some people, that fighting is necessary to "stand for something, or fall for anything."

Fight the Soapbox!

Juicy D. Links · 03-15-2004, 10:24 AM

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Originally posted by FightThisPatent

Brutha Juicy, i agree with you.... if a business feels it's best for their business to license, then it's their decisions to do so.

The real issue here is when companies are being targeted for the indirect or contributory infringement (ie. affiliates, TGPers, etc) that don't directly infringe upon the patent, but yet, are targeted.

These guys have a harder time making the "business decision" to license, because it is more absurd, since they don't "use" the claimed patent.

Bigger companies with deeper pockets could fight, but as your personal experience has chosen, in the end, the lawyers are the ones that win out.

But when you have a space that has additional patent holders like SightSound and USA Video, there has to be a point, where despite paying lots of moneys to attorneys, that the winners in the end, are not just the attorneys, but to all companies that stand up and fight against what is wrong.

Acacia should be targeting the paysites, the Microsoft, CNN, Apple, etc of companies who "use" the DMT patent.

They can decide if they want to add another "Cost of Goods Sold" line item to their spreadsheets and pay the license.

When there is a large number of companies that are targeted by so broad of a patent interpretation, it has to strike a chord in some people, that fighting is necessary to "stand for something, or fall for anything."

Fight the Soapbox!

I agree but after all Berman and his henchamn are scum sucking lawyers and want to target as many people as possible be it prog owners or the tgp guy. Dont get me wrong i still wish a massive case of gonnorea to hit Berman and his crew and then a bad case of syphllis and the clap also on them

Infanz · 03-15-2004, 10:26 AM

I WILL NEVER promote any sponsors who have signed with ACACIA. If we all stood together they wouldn't stand a chance, instead people are cutting deals left and right. I command over 250+ signups a day across many sites and programs and I will NEVER promote an acacia agreement settled site EVER again, guaranteed. I urge other webmasters to do the same. If you going to turn your back to the industry so you can save yourself, you're a worthless piece fo shit as is. this entire industry will fall apart becuase of this type of seperatism.

-Brandon Reece
816-294-1134
[email protected]

pradaboy · 03-15-2004, 10:54 AM

business = business period... I understand that companies license with Acacia coz after all they have to keep business up and running.

taboo_dude · 03-15-2004, 11:01 AM

What happens when someone else targets use first because we are weak, and then another and another. When will it stop? If we invite them to come by not fighting them, then there will sure to be more to follow.

I know some cannot afford to fight, but those that can and PLAN to be in the business for the long haul then should. If I was the next company with some lewd patent and looking to make some money, you know where I would start don't you?

The list of the ones already settled and I would start with the biggest names.

Doctor Dre · 03-15-2004, 11:04 AM

I don't care if the settle, I'm still gonna use them . IF they win on alcacia, I will use them tough . Anybody that wins will get some signups from me . Alcacia is just fucking wrong . It's like patenting air . I just hope they finally loose somewhere

Cindyff · 03-15-2004, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Infanz
I WILL NEVER promote any sponsors who have signed with ACACIA. If we all stood together they wouldn't stand a chance, instead people are cutting deals left and right. I command over 250+ signups a day across many sites and programs and I will NEVER promote an acacia agreement settled site EVER again, guaranteed. I urge other webmasters to do the same. If you going to turn your back to the industry so you can save yourself, you're a worthless piece fo shit as is. this entire industry will fall apart becuase of this type of seperatism.

-Brandon Reece
816-294-1134
[email protected]

I agree and will go out of my way to avoid working with anyone who settles with these ass wipes

The Sex Pusher · 03-15-2004, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
My thoughts on ACACIA and companies licensing with them.

Bottom line is I am here to make money , settled or not with Acacia I really could care less. All that matters to me is the checks and the amounts other stuff
I dont take personally.

You know very well this isn't true.

The bottom line is always basically about the money , but in reality it is far from that..

Everyone has a line they wont cross regardless of the money they make..

Would you sell LEGAL semi-nude childrens pictures ?? Even if it meant a %5 increase in profits ?? Of course you wouldn't.

Also you must assume that by profit you mean longevity , not just making a QUICK buck..

To say it's all about the money is foolish and you know better..

To say " your ethics and morals have now allowed you to agree with acacia " thats fine , but don't try and tell us the bottom line is about the money.. It's obviously a large portion of the decision , but thats not what it boils down to.

benc · 03-15-2004, 12:36 PM

Playboy and Hustler have way more money than Acacia (and probably even slimier lawyers of their own). They could fight if they wanted to. But they have their own motives.

brand0n · 03-15-2004, 12:37 PM

my thoughts

acacia, where do they get off tryin to take money out of our pockets for something they didnt do?

tell em to come here n help me finish these 300 movie gallerys im doing right now, and i might find it in my heart to give them a % of the money they make. if not, fuck off. you didnt do shit, why should i give you any percent of what i make?

this is like armed robbery without a gun if u ask me

fuckers.

SykkBoy · 03-15-2004, 01:00 PM

my greater problem isn't merely with those who settle as much as those who settle and try to act like the saviors of this industry...

make a business decision? fine, but don't play it off as some more noble purpose...

had I been forced to make the same decision, I probably would have too...but I wouldn't act as if I was doing everyone (but myself) a huge favor

baddog · 03-15-2004, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by brand0n
my thoughts

acacia, where do they get off tryin to take money out of our pockets for something they didnt do?

a point of order here . . . if they purchased and have legal ownership of the patent rights, it does not matter who actually came up with the technology.

While I do not like what is happening, I think the fact that Disney signed with them also it does lend some credibility to their claim.

I guess we will have to wait for the courts to decide.

BuckLover · 03-15-2004, 01:03 PM

Playboy just agreed with them! that tells you something!!

baddog · 03-15-2004, 01:13 PM

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Originally posted by BuckLover
Playboy just agreed with them! that tells you something!!

I just saw that, however, Play is adult, it raises my eyebrows more that a non-adult company like Disney did. They have lots of lawyers and money and would not let Acacia push them around if it was a frivilous claim.

radical · 03-15-2004, 01:14 PM

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Originally posted by BuckLover
Playboy just agreed with them! that tells you something!!

Not good

spamofon · 03-15-2004, 01:23 PM

GFY LOCAL BITCH IS KISSING ASS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

escorpio · 03-15-2004, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by baddog
...non-adult company like Disney did. They have lots of lawyers and money and would not let Acacia push them around if it was a frivilous claim.

Exactly.

jayeff · 03-15-2004, 01:55 PM

Acacia have already made millions of dollars with an ultimately unsuccessful copyright claim. Which is the very reason that they are back again. And if they make a profit from their current claim, they will come back for a third bite, then a fourth.

If Acacia are not stopped, then somewhere along the line there will be other Acacias. While no single claim may involve a critical added cost, the cumulative effect could be another story entirely.

I doubt that logic has escaped any of the companies which have settled with Acacia. IMO all these companies knowingly took the easy way out, expecting that eventually someone else would deal with the issue properly, as Sony etc., did in the V-Chip case.

You can say they made a business decision that was in their own best interests. And if you ignore the probability that without the profits from similarly motivated settlements over V-Chip, we would not be discussing Acacia today, their decisions make sense. To them. But now we come to the issue of affiliates supporting companies that have settled.

Acacia has shown a willingness to come after everyone: paysites large and small; AVS/AEN operators and webmasters; affiliates; all of us. In other words, we all need someone to defeat Acacia. Not just to make the streaming media issue go away, but to prove to others that there is no profit in this type of claim.

Against that background I simply don't see any reason to support companies that have settled, when I can earn just as much money from other programs. It isn't often that you can defend a principle without it costing anything, so why not make the most of it...

pornstar2pac · 03-15-2004, 02:25 PM

20 thumbs up for juicy. nice post

CDSmith · 03-15-2004, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Infanz
I WILL NEVER promote any sponsors who have signed with ACACIA. If we all stood together they wouldn't stand a chance, instead people are cutting deals left and right. I command over 250+ signups a day across many sites and programs and I will NEVER promote an acacia agreement settled site EVER again, guaranteed. I urge other webmasters to do the same. If you going to turn your back to the industry so you can save yourself, you're a worthless piece fo shit as is. this entire industry will fall apart becuase of this type of seperatism.

There it is.

Paul Markham · 03-15-2004, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jayeff
Acacia have already made millions of dollars with an ultimately unsuccessful copyright claim. Which is the very reason that they are back again. And if they make a profit from their current claim, they will come back for a third bite, then a fourth.

If Acacia are not stopped, then somewhere along the line there will be other Acacias. While no single claim may involve a critical added cost, the cumulative effect could be another story entirely.

I doubt that logic has escaped any of the companies which have settled with Acacia. IMO all these companies knowingly took the easy way out, expecting that eventually someone else would deal with the issue properly, as Sony etc., did in the V-Chip case.

You can say they made a business decision that was in their own best interests. And if you ignore the probability that without the profits from similarly motivated settlements over V-Chip, we would not be discussing Acacia today, their decisions make sense. To them. But now we come to the issue of affiliates supporting companies that have settled.

Acacia has shown a willingness to come after everyone: paysites large and small; AVS/AEN operators and webmasters; affiliates; all of us. In other words, we all need someone to defeat Acacia. Not just to make the streaming media issue go away, but to prove to others that there is no profit in this type of claim.

Against that background I simply don't see any reason to support companies that have settled, when I can earn just as much money from other programs. It isn't often that you can defend a principle without it costing anything, so why not make the most of it...

Precisely what I was going to say.

We fight them today or we pay them and their kind for ever. This industry has been singled out as a soft touch. If Acacia lose in courth it's meaningless. They made 25 million with the V-Chip patent, who here calls that losing?

grumpy · 03-15-2004, 03:14 PM

who cares.

latinasojourn · 03-15-2004, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jayeff
Acacia have already made millions of dollars with an ultimately unsuccessful copyright claim. Which is the very reason that they are back again. And if they make a profit from their current claim, they will come back for a third bite, then a fourth.

If Acacia are not stopped, then somewhere along the line there will be other Acacias. While no single claim may involve a critical added cost, the cumulative effect could be another story entirely.

I doubt that logic has escaped any of the companies which have settled with Acacia. IMO all these companies knowingly took the easy way out, expecting that eventually someone else would deal with the issue properly, as Sony etc., did in the V-Chip case.

You can say they made a business decision that was in their own best interests. And if you ignore the probability that without the profits from similarly motivated settlements over V-Chip, we would not be discussing Acacia today, their decisions make sense. To them. But now we come to the issue of affiliates supporting companies that have settled.

Acacia has shown a willingness to come after everyone: paysites large and small; AVS/AEN operators and webmasters; affiliates; all of us. In other words, we all need someone to defeat Acacia. Not just to make the streaming media issue go away, but to prove to others that there is no profit in this type of claim.

Against that background I simply don't see any reason to support companies that have settled, when I can earn just as much money from other programs. It isn't often that you can defend a principle without it costing anything, so why not make the most of it...

agreed.

i don't mess around with the affiliate model at all, but i'll tell you this.

if i'm ever in need of a service offered by the companies that are FIGHTING this bogus "DMT" patent, i will buy their service before any others, and i won't do business with those that settled.

in 18 months this will be over. acacia will be on to something else, or if their patent is adjudicated valid they will be absorbed by a bigger entity...the the memory of those who settled before the fight will linger for a long time.

it's one thing to roll over and settle. it's another thing to roll over and settle before there is some ruling on the validity of the patent.

and those guys that settle this early can rationalize it all they want from a business standpoint...

but the serious webmasters think you guys are a bunch of weak puke pansies.

03-15-2004, 10:10 AM	#1
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03-15-2004, 10:54 AM	#6
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4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	I try to support more companies that haven't settled then that have. But I haven't singled out and not promoted anyone because of it yet.

03-15-2004, 10:26 AM	#5
Infanz Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Missouri Posts: 110	I WILL NEVER promote any sponsors who have signed with ACACIA. If we all stood together they wouldn't stand a chance, instead people are cutting deals left and right. I command over 250+ signups a day across many sites and programs and I will NEVER promote an acacia agreement settled site EVER again, guaranteed. I urge other webmasters to do the same. If you going to turn your back to the industry so you can save yourself, you're a worthless piece fo shit as is. this entire industry will fall apart becuase of this type of seperatism. -Brandon Reece 816-294-1134 [email protected]

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SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	my greater problem isn't merely with those who settle as much as those who settle and try to act like the saviors of this industry... make a business decision? fine, but don't play it off as some more noble purpose... had I been forced to make the same decision, I probably would have too...but I wouldn't act as if I was doing everyone (but myself) a huge favor __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

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jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	Acacia have already made millions of dollars with an ultimately unsuccessful copyright claim. Which is the very reason that they are back again. And if they make a profit from their current claim, they will come back for a third bite, then a fourth. If Acacia are not stopped, then somewhere along the line there will be other Acacias. While no single claim may involve a critical added cost, the cumulative effect could be another story entirely. I doubt that logic has escaped any of the companies which have settled with Acacia. IMO all these companies knowingly took the easy way out, expecting that eventually someone else would deal with the issue properly, as Sony etc., did in the V-Chip case. You can say they made a business decision that was in their own best interests. And if you ignore the probability that without the profits from similarly motivated settlements over V-Chip, we would not be discussing Acacia today, their decisions make sense. To them. But now we come to the issue of affiliates supporting companies that have settled. Acacia has shown a willingness to come after everyone: paysites large and small; AVS/AEN operators and webmasters; affiliates; all of us. In other words, we all need someone to defeat Acacia. Not just to make the streaming media issue go away, but to prove to others that there is no profit in this type of claim. Against that background I simply don't see any reason to support companies that have settled, when I can earn just as much money from other programs. It isn't often that you can defend a principle without it costing anything, so why not make the most of it...

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