What makes you NOT want to send your traffic to a affiliate program? - GoFuckYourself.com

MetaformX · 03-12-2004, 04:57 PM

What makes you NOT want to send your traffic to a affiliate program? This can be anything, such as incompetent sale staff, bad behavior from owner, ugly tours, etc. Lets see how many different reasons there are.

Juicy D. Links · 03-12-2004, 04:59 PM

shaving

Pornkings · 03-12-2004, 04:59 PM

I send to sponsors that support the industry.

not the fly by nite programs.

mrthumbs · 03-12-2004, 05:00 PM

i dont use affiliate programs anymore because i dont trust em
BUT... i wouldnt send traffic to programs like epiccash:

i like pimpdog's marketing style and tactics: im sure its effective
getting in shitloads of noob and idiot webmasters BUT when shit hits the fan and serious business issues rise (where a big mouth isnt the solution) i wouldnt have much confidence in things

Reak · 03-12-2004, 05:03 PM

good question.. i geuss its the first impression + stories you heard about them.

WiredGuy · 03-12-2004, 05:05 PM

Professionalism is a key factor. I could hate someone at that company on a personal level but if the company as a whole acts professionally, I'll work with them.

I also need to meet the owner(s) or someone above sales to feel comfortable sending a signficant volume of joins.

WG

JOKER · 03-12-2004, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Professionalism is a key factor. I could hate someone at that company on a personal level but if the company as a whole acts professionally, I'll work with them.

I also need to meet the owner(s) or someone above sales to feel comfortable sending a signficant volume of joins.

WG

Good point.

A professional Setup is a good start,when the rest fits and they passed the first tests I consider doing a real deal.

Otherwise I'd give semi-professional programs a second chance when they work on the things that they lack and I have the feeling they will convert good.

Longterm biz relationships is where it's at.

Take care,
JOKER - Steve

KMR Stitch · 03-12-2004, 05:36 PM

shave hits

Shave sales

Shooty Support

Non payment

Frauds

Content sucks ass (find better porn on kazaa)

Servers SLOW

They don't know what a FPA is

Paul · 03-12-2004, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs
i dont use affiliate programs anymore because i dont trust em

Wise words !! Do you run your own paysites ?

I think it would take a long time to list them all, I'll list a few (Most apply to revshare programs)

Programs with a bad reputation for being cheats and scammers, Jeff owner of PerfectionGirls comes to mind
Not getting paided on exit traffic
Not getting credit for upsells
Clear tours are a must, I hate traffic leaks
Bad webmaster support

I could list a shitload more but I'm too busy at the moment

In general I usually just use revshare programs but what I do look for is a program where you can see that their intention is there to make the webmaster good money as well as for themselves.

There are far too much programs out there where the owners 'claim' to be doing everything they can to make you more money with better ratios and higher rebills but then you check out their program and they have hidden cross sales, upsells you don't get credit for and basically just as many ways they can think of to make money for themselves and don't have a fair 50/50 revshare program which is what reshare is supposed to be about !!

Slick · 03-12-2004, 05:50 PM

For me, it's the hosted galleries. If I sign up to a sponsor and log in and see horrible galleries, I won't go any further than that, I'll just leave and won't come back.

ldinternet · 03-12-2004, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MetaformX
What makes you NOT want to send your traffic to a affiliate program? This can be anything, such as incompetent sale staff, bad behavior from owner, ugly tours, etc. Lets see how many different reasons there are.

Hype.

savas · 03-12-2004, 06:03 PM

many pop-ups on sites that i am promoting.

and i am still looking for program that is paying for traffic that you send to site> by unique hits, per hit $0.005 and plus per sign-up.
some combination like this. per hit + per sign-up. per hit only small ammout, but something. i would love sponsor with this program.

Forkbeard · 03-12-2004, 06:22 PM

Crappy stats.

More detail is always better, but the irreducible minimum for stats to be "good" is that they have to account for all the clicks I send.

I want my stats to show all the hits I send and all the referrer info for all my hits. That way I can tell which of my links are productive, and which ones need to be tuned or removed.

Only about 20% of affiliate programs seem to do this. Before I'll send any traffic to the other 80%, I need a *damned* good reason.

PrivateIvy · 03-12-2004, 06:25 PM

I monitor all programs I run and if I've sent 1000 uniques and no signups, I drop them

Ivy

Reak · 03-12-2004, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
I monitor all programs I run and if I've sent 1000 uniques and no signups, I drop them

Ivy

1000 istn much... i would say try atleast 5000 uniques

PrivateIvy · 03-12-2004, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Reak

1000 istn much... i would say try atleast 5000 uniques

Nah...I'm sending qualified targeted traffic from a paysite.....and I'm very picky about where I'll send my members and surfers. Most make it well before 1000, but if they don't, I figure they are shaving or I just can't convert that site.

Mine converts well under so no reason the programs I run shouldn't do the same

It's worked for me so far

Ivy

JOKER · 03-12-2004, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
I monitor all programs I run and if I've sent 1000 uniques and no signups, I drop them

Ivy

IMHO not saying much if it converts within the first 1k .

More interesting is if it keeps converting at the same ratio after 500k (half-day test).

If a program keeps the same ratio after some volume sent you can make a descision.

Senseless if it makes sales within the first 1000 and no sales within the next 20k .

Just my

Take care,
JOKER

Spunky · 03-12-2004, 06:58 PM

Pimple Pud

Donny · 03-12-2004, 07:01 PM

From my free sites: it is a very rare occasion that I send to anyone that uses a processor other than CCBill.

Sylver7 · 03-12-2004, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forkbeard
Crappy stats.

More detail is always better, but the irreducible minimum for stats to be "good" is that they have to account for all the clicks I send.

This is absolutely right. If a sponsor shaves hits either by hiding it with 2nd page hits or has buggy tracking software installed then they are shady.

180° · 03-12-2004, 07:28 PM

CONVERSIONS

That's all that matters to me. I try everything once. I've signed up for probably close to 300 sponsors over the last 5 years. I stick with the ones that convert and ignore the drama and bs 100%.

It works for me.

Steve · 03-12-2004, 07:33 PM

I don't care who runs it, or what they say on a board.

I dont like sponsors that pop a shitload of consoles to OTHER programs (I dont get paid off that) on ENTRANCE

I dont like sponsors that have FREE e-mail boxes on the tours (thanks dick, makes that $40 sale much easier)

But, I reserve the right to use anyone who can convert well despite any "rule" of mine they may have "broken", because money talks and bullshit walks.

Brujah · 03-12-2004, 09:05 PM

Lack of communication is usually a bad sign.

slackologist · 03-12-2004, 09:09 PM

cryptic contact details ( scam ), stats that don't work, rude staff, crap sites/tours.

TheSenator · 03-12-2004, 09:40 PM

Tight · 03-12-2004, 09:46 PM

crap content

crap conversion

SomeCreep · 03-12-2004, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MetaformX
What makes you NOT want to send your traffic to a affiliate program? This can be anything, such as incompetent sale staff, bad behavior from owner, ugly tours, etc. Lets see how many different reasons there are.

Bad behavior from owner.

Cookie cutter sites.

Chain of aggressive popups.

Popunder/blur console on the first page.

Bad conversions.

Ic3m4nZ · 03-12-2004, 10:02 PM

bad conversions and shaving

MetaformX · 03-12-2004, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSenator
MPA2

I'm curious how many people feel the same way?

iwantchixx · 03-13-2004, 12:06 AM

incompetent sale staff
bad behavior from owner
ugly tours
ugly reps who think they are hot shit

Most importantly.. stability... if I for one second fear that I may have to change links in the next year, I won't use them. Nothing annoys me worse than having to change links when a program's new "version" comes out.

Joetanto · 03-13-2004, 12:07 AM

everyone shaves. its who shaves the least. who pays the fastest and on time everytime

arg · 03-13-2004, 12:17 AM

Minor quibble: when sending a check, include a paystub that
tells: company writing the check, the company's program name, date, amount, recipient name, and recipient account number.

And don't include any indestructible glossy color porn ads with the check. In fact don't include any porn with checks, but if you must include it, at least make it shreddable.

mardigras · 03-13-2004, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 180°
CONVERSIONS

That's all that matters to me. I try everything once. I've signed up for probably close to 300 sponsors over the last 5 years. I stick with the ones that convert and ignore the drama and bs 100%.

It works for me.

^sounds like me

The first thing that will stop me from promoting a sponsor is consoles I don't get credit for. If you make a sale from my traffic and feel you owe me nothing, you are someone I don't want to do business with.

2nd is poor promo content. I usually see a sponsor's page several times before I actually sign up and often I'll see the same 2 single model zip sets or a few hosted galleries to promote a site that have been up the better part of a year.

What will cause me to stop promoting a sponsor besides non-converting is if they never update promo content or if stats are suspicious.

reynold · 03-13-2004, 12:35 AM

i dont use affiliate programs anymore because
they are not that reliable.

MADRAGE · 03-13-2004, 12:03 PM

You are 1337, sir!!!

Madball · 03-13-2004, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PrivateIvy
I monitor all programs I run and if I've sent 1000 uniques and no signups, I drop them

Ivy

BAHAHAH

CDSmith · 03-13-2004, 12:12 PM

If the guy running the program acts like a fuckwit, then his program is run by a fuckwit..... which means he has a program only a fuckwit would promote.

I don't promote fuckwits or their fuckwit programs.

garett · 03-13-2004, 12:48 PM

* If they're slow to answer e-mails.
* If they don't offer much in terms of promo tools.
* If their sites mislead the surfer .. or offer a crappy members area.
* If I try to get in touch with them and they act like they can't be bothered to talk to me or have me promote them.. I mean if they don't care about their affiliates then why would I want to be one?

hoe_vender · 03-13-2004, 12:58 PM

good question

Quotealex · 03-13-2004, 12:59 PM

Redirection of traffic.

Pipecrew · 03-13-2004, 01:04 PM

Any company that has account managers or marketting reps or whatever the fuck they want to call it.. I dont need to be hassled and I dont need to hear how you think I can make more money off my traffic when you sit and make 6 dollars an hour. I especially hate the companies that have more then 2 or 3 of these guys.

I met one of the most ignorant reps in vegas, He was walking around in a suit and was about 5 feet tall, kept interupting everyone and would mention about his sites, I would of liked to knock him on his ass, we pulled all links to this program when we returned.

Keev · 03-13-2004, 01:15 PM

Exclusive Content and Unique tours that dont look like the shit surfers seen everyday.

fusionx · 03-13-2004, 02:14 PM

Stats like this: $0.00 7,305 0:7,305

cayne · 03-13-2004, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by juicylinks
shaving

!²

03-12-2004, 04:57 PM	#1
MetaformX Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 6,704	What makes you NOT want to send your traffic to a affiliate program? What makes you NOT want to send your traffic to a affiliate program? This can be anything, such as incompetent sale staff, bad behavior from owner, ugly tours, etc. Lets see how many different reasons there are. __________________

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Pornkings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Roger V Posts: 5,334	I send to sponsors that support the industry. not the fly by nite programs. __________________ Pornkings.com

03-12-2004, 05:05 PM	#6
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,485	Professionalism is a key factor. I could hate someone at that company on a personal level but if the company as a whole acts professionally, I'll work with them. I also need to meet the owner(s) or someone above sales to feel comfortable sending a signficant volume of joins. WG __________________ I play with Google.

03-12-2004, 06:22 PM	#13
Forkbeard Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I Roam Around Posts: 2,236	Crappy stats. More detail is always better, but the irreducible minimum for stats to be "good" is that they have to account for all the clicks I send. I want my stats to show all the hits I send and all the referrer info for all my hits. That way I can tell which of my links are productive, and which ones need to be tuned or removed. Only about 20% of affiliate programs seem to do this. Before I'll send any traffic to the other 80%, I need a damned good reason. __________________ Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.

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03-12-2004, 04:59 PM	#2
Juicy D. Links So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: N.Y. -Long Island -- Posts: 122,992	shaving

03-12-2004, 05:00 PM	#4
mrthumbs salad tossing sig guy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: mrthumbs*gmail.com Posts: 11,702	i dont use affiliate programs anymore because i dont trust em BUT... i wouldnt send traffic to programs like epiccash: i like pimpdog's marketing style and tactics: im sure its effective getting in shitloads of noob and idiot webmasters BUT when shit hits the fan and serious business issues rise (where a big mouth isnt the solution) i wouldnt have much confidence in things

03-12-2004, 05:03 PM	#5
Reak So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 420Calendar.com Posts: 17,920	good question.. i geuss its the first impression + stories you heard about them.

03-12-2004, 05:36 PM	#8
KMR Stitch I am cool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14,494	shave hits Shave sales Shooty Support Non payment Frauds Content sucks ass (find better porn on kazaa) Servers SLOW They don't know what a FPA is

03-12-2004, 05:50 PM	#10
Slick Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Houghton, MI Posts: 7,338	For me, it's the hosted galleries. If I sign up to a sponsor and log in and see horrible galleries, I won't go any further than that, I'll just leave and won't come back.

03-12-2004, 06:03 PM	#12
savas Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,045	many pop-ups on sites that i am promoting. and i am still looking for program that is paying for traffic that you send to site> by unique hits, per hit $0.005 and plus per sign-up. some combination like this. per hit + per sign-up. per hit only small ammout, but something. i would love sponsor with this program.

03-12-2004, 06:25 PM	#14
PrivateIvy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,257	I monitor all programs I run and if I've sent 1000 uniques and no signups, I drop them Ivy

03-12-2004, 07:01 PM	#19
Donny As you wish... Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 13,754	From my free sites: it is a very rare occasion that I send to anyone that uses a processor other than CCBill.

03-12-2004, 07:28 PM	#21
180° Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: . m . i . n . dc . o . n . . . t r . o . l . . . . Posts: 248	CONVERSIONS That's all that matters to me. I try everything once. I've signed up for probably close to 300 sponsors over the last 5 years. I stick with the ones that convert and ignore the drama and bs 100%. It works for me. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-12-2004, 07:33 PM	#22
Steve Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: USA Posts: 6,894	I don't care who runs it, or what they say on a board. I dont like sponsors that pop a shitload of consoles to OTHER programs (I dont get paid off that) on ENTRANCE I dont like sponsors that have FREE e-mail boxes on the tours (thanks dick, makes that $40 sale much easier) But, I reserve the right to use anyone who can convert well despite any "rule" of mine they may have "broken", because money talks and bullshit walks.

03-12-2004, 09:05 PM	#23
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	Lack of communication is usually a bad sign. __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

03-12-2004, 09:09 PM	#24
slackologist Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 2,379	cryptic contact details ( scam ), stats that don't work, rude staff, crap sites/tours.

03-12-2004, 09:40 PM	#25
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,336	MPA2

03-12-2004, 09:46 PM	#26
Tight Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 323	crap content crap conversion __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

03-12-2004, 10:02 PM	#28
Ic3m4nZ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal! Posts: 6,285	bad conversions and shaving

03-13-2004, 12:06 AM	#30
iwantchixx Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Boonies Posts: 12,860	incompetent sale staff bad behavior from owner ugly tours ugly reps who think they are hot shit Most importantly.. stability... if I for one second fear that I may have to change links in the next year, I won't use them. Nothing annoys me worse than having to change links when a program's new "version" comes out.

03-13-2004, 12:07 AM	#31
Joetanto So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ICQ 306440898 Posts: 653	everyone shaves. its who shaves the least. who pays the fastest and on time everytime

03-13-2004, 12:17 AM	#32
arg Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,164	Minor quibble: when sending a check, include a paystub that tells: company writing the check, the company's program name, date, amount, recipient name, and recipient account number. And don't include any indestructible glossy color porn ads with the check. In fact don't include any porn with checks, but if you must include it, at least make it shreddable.

03-13-2004, 12:35 AM	#34
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	i dont use affiliate programs anymore because they are not that reliable.

03-13-2004, 12:03 PM	#35
MADRAGE So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: my icq is on 330158099 Posts: 276	You are 1337, sir!!!

03-13-2004, 12:12 PM	#37
CDSmith Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: My network is hosted at TECHIEMEDIA.net ...Wait, you meant where am I located at? Oh... okay, I'm in Winnipeg, Canada. Oops. :) Posts: 51,460	If the guy running the program acts like a fuckwit, then his program is run by a fuckwit..... which means he has a program only a fuckwit would promote. I don't promote fuckwits or their fuckwit programs. __________________ *Promote Wildmatch, ImLive, Sexier.com, and more!!* ALWAYS THE HIGHEST PAYOUTS: Big Bux/ImLive SIGNUP ON NOW!!! Put some PUSSYCA$H in your pocket. ICQ me at: 31024634

03-13-2004, 12:48 PM	#38
garett Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 683	* If they're slow to answer e-mails. * If they don't offer much in terms of promo tools. * If their sites mislead the surfer .. or offer a crappy members area. * If I try to get in touch with them and they act like they can't be bothered to talk to me or have me promote them.. I mean if they don't care about their affiliates then why would I want to be one? __________________

03-13-2004, 12:58 PM	#39
hoe_vender Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Lincoln, NE Posts: 2,018	good question __________________ ICQ #286508534

03-13-2004, 12:59 PM	#40
Quotealex Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: The Global Digerati Village Posts: 6,265	Redirection of traffic.

03-13-2004, 01:04 PM	#41
Pipecrew Master of Gfy.com Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 14,887	Any company that has account managers or marketting reps or whatever the fuck they want to call it.. I dont need to be hassled and I dont need to hear how you think I can make more money off my traffic when you sit and make 6 dollars an hour. I especially hate the companies that have more then 2 or 3 of these guys. I met one of the most ignorant reps in vegas, He was walking around in a suit and was about 5 feet tall, kept interupting everyone and would mention about his sites, I would of liked to knock him on his ass, we pulled all links to this program when we returned.

03-13-2004, 01:15 PM	#42
Keev Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 5,335	Exclusive Content and Unique tours that dont look like the shit surfers seen everyday. __________________ ReliableServers.com - NO REF LINK!

03-13-2004, 02:14 PM	#43
fusionx Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Olongapo City, Philippines Posts: 4,618	Stats like this: $0.00 7,305 0:7,305