Thats Heresy in this thread!

Fuck it...
Content is king in my book...

hehe, no doubt. what a huge waste.

Yes these things do tend to veer off subject. What I was trying to talk about is what is the harder to aquire, good content or good traffic. It seems we have a deluge of both, 1,000s of kids with a computers posting to TGPs and 1,000s of guys with cheap digital camers trying to create porn.

What is the harder thing to create?

true, i see it in mainstream offline sales also.. people walk in the door.. they buy what we tell them they need.. happens all the time.

A good sales person can sell anything to anyone but it's no good having 10,000 fancy widgets if no fucker walks through the door or knows about you.

Return business is where content comes into the fore.

this thread has turned past hilarious, to the usual pathetic.

i'm almost speechless (but not quite lol).

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

in that case, i'd say good traffic is harder. you can buy good content ( in any media ) and what you see is what you get, the same can't really be said for traffic so it's a bit harder to get exactly what you want.

Apples to oranges, they both take totally different personality types and skill sets. I wouldn't have a clue how to make content, but I doubt many content providers would have the techical ability to generate lots of traffic. I'd say there's more of a demand for high traffic generators then for content producers.

I definately put traffic way, way ahead of content. No matter what you are selling or how you are selling it 1 out of X leads will buy. This holds true for porn, cars, diet pills, or new siding for the mobile home. This is why there are telemarketers in every city and spam in every inbox.

Even the most idiotic of salesmen makes sales from time to time as long as they have the customer to pitch. X% will buy, X% will say no and buy on a rebuttal, and X% will say no twice and agree after the 2nd rebuttal. All of the infomercials on our TV right now should be a testimony to this.

Some adult webmasters do not need content, but they all need traffic.

:Graucho

Content is King.

Show me 1 signup that has come from a blank page.

Go for it :thumbsup

<a href="http://www.duh.com">Click Here To See Paris Hilton Get Fucked In Every Hole</a>

Thats not blank

Text isn't the content he was referring to. :glugglug

I could show you thousands of signups that have come from banner farms with NO content.

in terms of content, you don't need to. i produce some of the best, but that is a different talent than actually directing and shooting.

however, with traffic, it's a different story. traffic 100% rules the web. and it's a much tricker area (i know you know this, but stating the obvious is all that's left).

i'll put it this way, if you can send me high quality traffic, i'm ALWAYS interested. if you're selling me content, i'm not interested. i have the very best shooting for me, and do not need any more (other than the odd blip).

I don't have a single free picture on any of my sites and I manage to do okay.

throwing up a couple of non-licensed images?

lol

I would agree with you there, assuming the guy buying the content knows the difference between good and bad content. One look at some of TGP pages and you can see they do not have a clue about what is good.

Banners ARE content.

actually, one look at most tgp pages (the hun for example) should tell you EXACTLY what is good, in terms of sales.

i can't believe how many beans i've been spilling.

too much free porn!!

That is conning the surfer and I'm discussing straight business practises. Anyone can con some people on porn and some can con anyone. But let's stick to normal business practises.

both are very important, for paysite owners now and int the future, unique content is going to be very important

You mentioned bad content on TGP's above and you are mistaken. Here is a pic exact size and quality I use on my pages. All of them are similar and this pic is the most "X" rated one there.

<img src="http://www.realcamsex.com/sites/escorts/webcams/07/images/webcam.jpg" width="175">


High quality content has it's place but it's definately not the only thing that sells. We are rebilling customers $50 a month after a $25 weekly trial sold from a bare html page with 1, yes I said 1 picture similar to that one. Can't say much else but I know first hand that I don't need thousands of $$$ in content or even design to get rich from this business, I need traffic!

Is it just me or is there a really massive cameltoe happening in that pic?

<img src="http://www.realcamsex.com/sites/escorts/webcams/07/images/webcam.jpg">

I think so...

Dayem where's my credit card! :eek2 :eek2

traffic is money
if you dont have traffic, you dont have money
if you have good content is no fact that you have money

It really depends on your market segment/what you're trying to do. It also depends on what level you're at.

If you're starting out, content is a waste. You can make it with traffic and no content, but not vice versa.

Once you progress, it's worth it to acquire some good content. A good example would be any of the programs that started early and gradually brought out quality content/sites (ARS is a case in point -- complete crap for years whilst making millions). Now that they have millions they have the luxury of bothering with quality sites. That particular business model has worked for every single reasonably sized program.

So, to sum it up, traffic is more important..

I did not mean to imply that ALL tgp content was poor, just some of it.

If you are selling $25 weekly trials from 1 picture then you have to have some pretty powerful text to go with it. :)

50 words or less. Seriously.

Edit: And a lot of it is poor by your standards especially. But it still sells.

Good quality content is easy to come by because you can look at it and and see that it's quality. The problem with traffic is every one says they have shit hot traffic and when you buy it, it turns out to be crap. A lot of webmasters who purchase traffic have spent a lot of $'s to find which traffic sellers have quality. Good quality traffic is king :thumbsup

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Come on folks... stop the madness. :)

Traffic is king. Content is queen.

Without one of them, a bastard will be born.

:thumbsup

Traffic. I can shoot content of some crack whore with a polaroid and it will sell like hotcakes. Traffic is harder to come by.

You're all wrong. Selling is king. It's painfully easy to make money in this biz if you know how to sell. It took me a long time to catch on but once you've got a winning formula you're sittin pretty.

Look at extreme paychecks. Their sites convert pretty good, but once you're inside you get like 4 picture sets per paysite. Guess what though, for someone to find that out they still had to sign up and put money in the pocket of the industry.

Traffic is a necessity but in no way is it king. It's just another expense to me. It's up to you to make the most out of your traffic. Trust hosted galleries, FPA's, crappy sponsor banners and you're taking the easy way out.

Well...with good traffic and without good content u have nothing...same is if u have good content and no traffic,so i think u need to have bouth to make site making money:thumbsup

Kings don't exist DESTROY the hierarchy!

Gold is KING.

you people sound like the three blind men trying to describe an elephant. one describes the trunk, another the ears, and the another the tail. who is right??

if I am selling traffic i don't need content, the webmaster who bought the link needs the content, I am only selling the promise of content.

Paysite you need both traffic and content, and you better know how to sell it to the surfer. targeted and filtered traffic is best, and how many webmasters know how to filter or want to take the time to do it?

all depends on what you want to do.
i can't see just one blanket answer to this question.