Originally posted by Brujah
Those of you that do not believe in a god, do you believe in an afterlife or otherside ?
Those of you that do not believe in a god, do you believe in an afterlife or otherside ?
We have life and that's all. Enjoy it.
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No, there is no after-life. The whole idea is ludicrous.
We have life and that's all. Enjoy it.
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No. Not at all.Originally posted by Brujah
Those of you that do not believe in a god, do you believe in an afterlife or otherside ?
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When i'm dead..they can bury my with my ass above the ground ...so they can use me as a spot to put a bicyclewheel in it
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What he said.Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
No. When you die, you're fucking dead. End of story. Get over it.
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I would not say I am believer, nor a disbeliever.
When I die, I'll find out then, and only then will
I truly believe or not.
In the meantime, I live life how I feel is best for me.
That means treating people fair and doing good for people.
I don't do that for fear of God, I do it because I believe
that is what's right and best for me.
I grew up being forced to go to church 3 times a week,
until I grew big enough that I could not physically be
dragged to church. In my time going to church,
I came to the belief that some people need something
bigger to believe in... something bigger than themselves.
God gives them that something to believe in.
It is good for some people, since many people seem to
feel incomplete without something to believe in.
I believe in living life to it's fullest and enjoying this
time we have here. If there is an afterlife, I'll find out
when I die, and I'll make the best of that life too.
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I just wanted to add a little more to my original post.Originally posted by chodadog
I think something like this might be true of some really hardcore christians, but i don't think it accurately describes all believers of some sort of afterlife.
I believe in God. I don't know why. I just do.
For me, if there's no good, there's no point. The 60, 70, 80 years that most of us will be on this rock for are absolutely insignificant in th grand scheme of things. Why even bother if there's nothing. Why not just shoot yourself now and get it over with. What's the point of living a forfilling life is you can't even look back at it and be happy with what you've achieved?
I wouldn't say i'm Christian. I share similar beliefs to christians about the way you should treat your fellow man, and all that. But i don't see the bible, or any other religious text for that matter, as the word of god.
Either way, it doesn't effect the way i live. I treat people the way i treat them because i believe it's the right thing to do. Regardless, i'm happy with my life and where it's going, and god or no god, i'm going to enjoy whatever time i have left.
Basically, if i'm doing something, the thought of whether or not it is okay by the lord does not cross my mind. I don't not do something because i fear god's wrath, or any such nonsense. If i don't do something, it's to do with my personal beliefs and conscience.
I think it would be a shitty way to live if you were to consult the big cheese via prayer every time you wiped your ass.
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i do not believe in god or an afterlife. why? it just doesnt make senseComment
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It's probably a limitation of the human mind - mine anyway - which makes it hard to believe that this vastly complex multiverse is an end in itself: that there is no higher purpose. But if there is a grand plan I don't have a clue what it is, nor who designed it.
Equally I have no idea whether there is any form of life after this. The only thing I am sure of is that whether or not this is the only life we shall have, the vast majority of us (myself included) waste it. Strip away the thin veneer of social conditioning which lets us believe we are making our own choices, the reality is that we climb on a treadmill the day we are born and stay on it until we die. Poor or rich, we spend most of our lives working to make more for other people than for ourselves. Few people seriously question whether this is a good use of our time, let alone do anything about it.
I'm not suggesting we all go hug a tree or quit our jobs to create great works of art. It just surprises me that if so many people believe this is it, we are so willing to clock into factories and offices every day. Or sit at our PCs...Comment
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Nice post, as always. About the last part, do you think it's conditioning, fear or just laziness ?Originally posted by jayeff
It's probably a limitation of the human mind - mine anyway - which makes it hard to believe that this vastly complex multiverse is an end in itself: that there is no higher purpose. But if there is a grand plan I don't have a clue what it is, nor who designed it.
Equally I have no idea whether there is any form of life after this. The only thing I am sure of is that whether or not this is the only life we shall have, the vast majority of us (myself included) waste it. Strip away the thin veneer of social conditioning which lets us believe we are making our own choices, the reality is that we climb on a treadmill the day we are born and stay on it until we die. Poor or rich, we spend most of our lives working to make more for other people than for ourselves. Few people seriously question whether this is a good use of our time, let alone do anything about it.
I'm not suggesting we all go hug a tree or quit our jobs to create great works of art. It just surprises me that if so many people believe this is it, we are so willing to clock into factories and offices every day. Or sit at our PCs...- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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I think when you die, there is a slight possibility of reincarnation, which is just me hoping that I will live again, however, I really think when you die, that's it. C'est toute.Comment
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Nope, there isn't a thing after death.Originally posted by Brujah
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heres why i believe in god
most people refuse there is a god because of evolution - its stuck in their heads its either god, or evolution. it seems so strange to me people cant deal with the fact both can exist..
but heres the real reason i believe in god, and an afterlife. And im no idiot either, im in 4th year university (going into medicine).
if there is no god, there would be no "first person". in general, "life" itself is nothing but a set of chemical reactions - everything we think, everything we do, everything done by every other living think on earth be it monkeys, plants, bacteria, viruses, is just because of chemical reactions that favored those reactions to produce something which will be present over time. its really a scary thought to think that "life" is nothing but chemical reactions that have no purpose at all. they just originated billions of years ago by chance (purposeless) and life exists today just because those chemical reactions (by chance) resulted in a way of replication. life has no purpose - things occur as they are today simply because things that dont "live" have been nonsuccessful in existing, and those that do have a method of replicating themself and "surviving" have lived on.
so according to the no god way of thinking, life is no different than what goes on in a rock or something - its just simply molecules interacting with each other in a manner whcih arose simply by chance, and since those interactions resulted in something that can pass itself on through generations, 'life' exists today. whether its a bacteria making a cell wall or humans maintaining blood glucose levels, the life exists simply because "nonlife" was selected against.
the reason i believe in god is because if life is simply just chemical reactions that arose by chance - there would be no "first person". "I" would not exist. Its really hard to explain but if you think about it, its gets clearer and clearer as to why god exists, and life simply is not meaningless.ICQ: 298-523-037Comment
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have you read A Brief History of Everything ? Pretty good and goes into a little of what you are saying.- Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com
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that directed to me?Originally posted by Brujah
have you read A Brief History of Everything ? Pretty good and goes into a little of what you are saying.ICQ: 298-523-037Comment
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Theres a Great book out there called The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle that goes into a lot of detail about this.Originally posted by Myst
the reason i believe in god is because if life is simply just chemical reactions that arose by chance - there would be no "first person". "I" would not exist. Its really hard to explain but if you think about it, its gets clearer and clearer as to why god exists, and life simply is not meaningless.
It's an excellent read.Comment
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I do not believe in a one true god.Originally posted by Brujah
Those of you that do not believe in a god, do you believe in an afterlife or otherside ?
It was created by man to wield wealth and power.
god has nothing to do with "the afterlife."
What mans body does, it does, man invented god, not the other way around.
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
Thomas Paine - The Age Of Reason
http://www.infidels.org/library/hist...n/part1.html#1
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No when a person dies thats it for them .Comment
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Yes, it was. Sorry.Originally posted by Myst
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You didn't seem to outright deny it all, so I have questions you don't have to answer.Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I do not believe in a one true god.
It was created by man to wield wealth and power.
god has nothing to do with "the afterlife."
Do you believe in something beyond human or now ? I know some don't believe in a god but DO believe in an afterlife or otherside. Thats what I meant in my initial post. Curious what kind of theories people had on whatever there might be after this.
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The continuing belief that the human ego survives death is proof that the name "homo sapiens" is an oxymoron.Comment
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When you die you're a fucking seed in the ground.
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Hope you can followOriginally posted by Brujah
You didn't seem to outright deny it all, so I have questions you don't have to answer. Do you believe in something beyond human or now ? I know some don't believe in a god but DO believe in an afterlife or otherside. Thats what I meant in my initial post. Curious what kind of theories people had on whatever there might be after this.
I believe there are more deminsions than we can grasp, yes.
What do I base this on?
It's very simple.
Caterpillars turn into butterflies, who's to say they died during the process?
I dont have a theory, Im as blind as the next guy. But what I do know is, man cannot even see all color hues.
He cannot even see the violet rays that glow from you and I right now.
We also know, man uses a very small part of his brain.
With that in mind, do you think, that may not be the best word, can you visualize what it is like to not be able to comprehend, new space, time, and thought? If we cant even SEE certain colors, how can you for once believe that we can even THINK, or CONCEPTUALIZE what is beyond?
Truth is, no one knows, we all die, and thats that.
As all, id like to believe there is more.
I dont hope for clouds and angels.
I expect what this deminsion has given me.
Pain, sorrow, regret, pleasure, experience, and memories.
thats about all i have come to expect from this life, or any other.
Hopefully, we will meet in the nxt Brujah.
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Fundamentally our genes are the cause, with all three things that you mentioned thrown in for good measure.Originally posted by Brujah
About the last part, do you think it's conditioning, fear or just laziness ?
However we like to see ourselves, we are just another species of animal. We may have suppressed some traits, emphasised others and rationalized or romanticized still more. But underneath everything we function just as we did long before a heavenly orchestra played "Also Sprach Zarathustra" to a bunch of apes (or whatever it was that gave us "dominion over all other species"). In common with other species and since Nature is nothing if not logical, we are programmed to be workers.
The only reason I'm surprised we haven't suppressed this trait is that we have successfully suppressed others which, on the face of it, are less at odds with our awareness of and image of ourselves.Comment
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Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
this "God" nonsense is the most ludicrous shit ever devised. What about the rest of the mammals on this earth? Do they go to "heaven" as well? Does your cat go to Hell for killing a bird last week?
"God" and religion was created back in the fucking stone age out of pure necessity. The needs were two fold:
1. Because humans have something other mammals don't. Namely, the ability to reason and think things through. Hence, it was inevitable that the day would come that man would realize, "I am alive. I live. Therefore, one day.... hmmm..... I will NOT be living." And the utter shock of that realization is a little much to handle for Mr. Cromagnon. Thus, the "afterlife" was born. "Hey, it's all good..... you're not really gonna be dead, cuz you're gonna go to this special place!"
2. Control. A simple but VERY effective method of controlling the moral actions of the masses. "If you do this, you're going to Hell!" "But if you do this, you will be welcomed into the Kingdom of whatever....."
and it's been that way ever since.
finally though, and thankfully.... people are beginning to realize this. IT'S A LIE.
Face it. You are going to die someday. And when you do, your story is over. There's no "special place", no "afterlife", no pearly fucking gates, and no Hell. Just dirt. Forever.
The sooner people come to terms with this, the sooner they can move on with their lives and stop living in fear of "God".
I never understood that expression anyway.... "we're good God fearing people"..... I thought "God" was supposed to be all-loving and forgiving? Why should anyone fear that?
anyway..... there ya go.
agreed.
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See above what Fletch posted lasted. I personally feel there's more depth in being open to alternatives and possibilities and never thinking that we know all the answers. At the same time, I don't pretend to know for sure that those that don't believe are wrong.Originally posted by latinasojourn
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Death is not extiguishing the light.
It's putting out the lamp
because the dawn has come.Comment
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I don't know if someone already said this because I'm too lazy to read the whole thread BUT:
Energy is never destroyed, only transformed. I think we go on, but whether we go on as individual discrete beings or whether we're just dropped into the communal energy pool and recycled, I don't know.Comment
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final thought of every athiest:
God forgive me if I'm wrong.Comment
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I personally don't. But...
First we need more answers. Like,
How exactly was the universe created?
Is there life on other planets?
Our universe is 13 and some odd billion lights years across, what's beyond that?
What do the beings on other planets believe?
Until we have a meeting of planetary dignitaries together to discuss this, it's all moot.
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I don't think so.Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
final thought of every athiest:
God forgive me if I'm wrong.
I'm an atheist and I won't be making any deathbed conversion.Comment
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only a near death experience will reveal the truth in that.Originally posted by Joe Citizen
I don't think so.
I'm an atheist and I won't be making any deathbed conversion.
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God is a concept by which we measure our pain.
Ill say it again.
God is a concept by which we measure our pain.
see you in hell John.
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Originally posted by dig420
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Energy is never destroyed, only transformed. I think we go on, but whether we go on as individual discrete beings or whether we're just dropped into the communal energy pool and recycled, I don't know.
I also follow this line of thinking...a throw back to my chemistry class that taught 'energy is conserved'
...it goes somewhere...in the equation...
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yea.. and that says absolutely nothing about god. yes energy is conserved - had you taken biology in grade 7 youd know that the energy from your body goes into the microorganisms that digest you while youre dead. wtf does it have to do with god?Originally posted by TheJimmy
I also follow this line of thinking...a throw back to my chemistry class that taught 'energy is conserved'
...it goes somewhere...in the equation...
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when u die u are dead. dead as a door nail. thats it.Comment
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When we die, we no longer exsist.
we no longer feel what we are suppose to feel.
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And how was God created?
Originally posted by Myst
heres why i believe in god
most people refuse there is a god because of evolution - its stuck in their heads its either god, or evolution. it seems so strange to me people cant deal with the fact both can exist..
but heres the real reason i believe in god, and an afterlife. And im no idiot either, im in 4th year university (going into medicine).
if there is no god, there would be no "first person". in general, "life" itself is nothing but a set of chemical reactions - everything we think, everything we do, everything done by every other living think on earth be it monkeys, plants, bacteria, viruses, is just because of chemical reactions that favored those reactions to produce something which will be present over time. its really a scary thought to think that "life" is nothing but chemical reactions that have no purpose at all. they just originated billions of years ago by chance (purposeless) and life exists today just because those chemical reactions (by chance) resulted in a way of replication. life has no purpose - things occur as they are today simply because things that dont "live" have been nonsuccessful in existing, and those that do have a method of replicating themself and "surviving" have lived on.
so according to the no god way of thinking, life is no different than what goes on in a rock or something - its just simply molecules interacting with each other in a manner whcih arose simply by chance, and since those interactions resulted in something that can pass itself on through generations, 'life' exists today. whether its a bacteria making a cell wall or humans maintaining blood glucose levels, the life exists simply because "nonlife" was selected against.
the reason i believe in god is because if life is simply just chemical reactions that arose by chance - there would be no "first person". "I" would not exist. Its really hard to explain but if you think about it, its gets clearer and clearer as to why god exists, and life simply is not meaningless.
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anyone wanna take a crack in explaining this better? i just cant seem to find the words to describe what im trying to say - but i hear books have been written on this idea. how did they explain it?Originally posted by Myst
heres why i believe in god
most people refuse there is a god because of evolution - its stuck in their heads its either god, or evolution. it seems so strange to me people cant deal with the fact both can exist..
but heres the real reason i believe in god, and an afterlife. And im no idiot either, im in 4th year university (going into medicine).
if there is no god, there would be no "first person". in general, "life" itself is nothing but a set of chemical reactions - everything we think, everything we do, everything done by every other living think on earth be it monkeys, plants, bacteria, viruses, is just because of chemical reactions that favored those reactions to produce something which will be present over time. its really a scary thought to think that "life" is nothing but chemical reactions that have no purpose at all. they just originated billions of years ago by chance (purposeless) and life exists today just because those chemical reactions (by chance) resulted in a way of replication. life has no purpose - things occur as they are today simply because things that dont "live" have been nonsuccessful in existing, and those that do have a method of replicating themself and "surviving" have lived on.
so according to the no god way of thinking, life is no different than what goes on in a rock or something - its just simply molecules interacting with each other in a manner whcih arose simply by chance, and since those interactions resulted in something that can pass itself on through generations, 'life' exists today. whether its a bacteria making a cell wall or humans maintaining blood glucose levels, the life exists simply because "nonlife" was selected against.
the reason i believe in god is because if life is simply just chemical reactions that arose by chance - there would be no "first person". "I" would not exist. Its really hard to explain but if you think about it, its gets clearer and clearer as to why god exists, and life simply is not meaningless.ICQ: 298-523-037Comment
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