CyberTraffic

My insight is that with everything that's flying at us recently, it's best to stay flexible with what you're dipping your fingers into so that if one thing falls out from under you, you've always got another stream of income.

Basic knowledge, I know, but helpful nonetheless.

Yours?

CyberTraffic

sorry for posting an industry related thread.

Dildozer

Yeah what the fuck were you thinking? There's only porn surfers who whore their sigs here

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CyberTraffic

I promise I'll try harder not to think the next time I post.

mrthumbs

This business pretty much closed its doors for the small and new players.

So instead of flexible i would use the term "get out".

If i was new i wouldnt touch this business without a 50-100k budget. But then again: if i was new i wouldnt know shit about
this business so it probably be better to not take the risk at all.

If you're somewhat settled but not in the big league:
use ALL the revenue your porn currently generates to breach
out to other, more mainstream, practises.

mrthumbs

btw:

what were you thinking posting a industry related topic, asshole!!

CyberTraffic

What is the reason you think this?

I completely disagree.

With enough hard work and diligence, I still think it's possible for newbies and small players to make it.

While it's not as easy as it used to be, it is still possible.





Oh, and sorry.

mrthumbs

Ofcourse! There is ALWAYS an opportunity in even the most
oversatured and difficult area's.. if that wasnt the case porn would look the same 10 years from now as it does now..
and thats not going to happen.. so there's ALWAYS room for
innovation and smart people that come up with unique little
things and brilliant moves...

But the point is: why bother if there are so many other
fields that are much and much easier to exploit...?

I look at things from a business point of view: if i wanted
to be a rocking pornpimp i would say "lets fight for this
and eventually there will be room for me as a newbie
and ill overcum" sure.. but im talking money here.. in the most
efficient way and thats currently not in this business.

CyberTraffic

I see what you are saying.

You mean that $$ is not easy to come by in this biz, so it's a good idea to get out because it's become more difficult due to oversaturation?

That's a great attitude to have! I'm not being sarcastic either, if enough people would feel the same way, then the business would no longer be oversaturated. Thus; more money!

PatrickKing

I think sometimes we in this industry are our worst enemies.
A lot of folks in this biz start beliving their own hype and forget that they were once the little guy.

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If I were you guys I'd get out now while the gettin is good. porn will soon be outlawed.

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CyberTraffic

Most definately.

The "who's the biggest pimp or player" gives everyone fresh out of newbie school unrealistic expectations and will ultimately lead the industry into a bad direction.

mrthumbs

Exactly.. you truly understand, no sarcasm either:

the reason why this business is oversatured is not because
there are some big players that basicly took over or because of too many established webmasters taking a piece of the pie. No: this biz is oversatured and 80% of the profits we could are lost because of incompetent fucking around 'webmasters' trying to make a quick buck.

They need to get wiped out first (and they will/are!.. already happening) before this business becomes interesting and profitable for intelligent, serious and new entrepreneurs.

slapass

I know lots of people who have done this less then a year that are making in the 6 figures.

The only reason we keep seeing statements like this is all of the oldtimers think it is not worth doing unless you make 1 mil a year. In that case you are probably right but lots of people will work for 500k and are doing it everyday.

CyberTraffic

Care to elaborate?

mrthumbs

I seriously doubt (and sure, there are always a few exceptions) that anyone without decent funding and prior industry
experience made 6 figures from nothing during the last year.

Paul Markham

Visas 1% will remove a lot and if that does not work then expect it to go to 0.5%.

Pandoras box has been opened and cannot be closed easily. People are now used to buying porn on the net so it will not stop, all we have to have is a way to bill them.

But expect more controls and limits, the days of the "Wild West" are over.

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slapass

Decent funding and prior experince are subjective. But I know several. Meaning more then one but less then ten that have done just that. The fact that I only know a dozen adult webmasters sort of made me think lots of people are doing this.

In the last year look at some of the companies that opened their doors and appear to be doing great.

Tushycash
Drinkinghards traffic thing
Choker traffic is how old?
Epiccash
BangBrosonline
Cj Bucks

Lots of these were expansions from other endeavers but it shows that people are growing their businesses not shrinking them.

ARS is not a good sign for my argument though.

Tonight I am clearly a "glass is half full guy"

SMG

could people be arrested for jacking off too? sounds like you live in the vatican or something

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CyberTraffic

But

All of those on that list make money off of webmasters or webmasters' efforts.



Think about that.

slapass

I don't feel comfortable naming names and saying, "Joe Blow is making 300k and he started last March." But I know a few people that I could say that aobut. Webmasters not program people.

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Could the answer be revshare over pps?

crescentx

Revshare vs pps is an old argument - one which is being more and more answered. Most likely in the next 12-18 months, unless (fingers crossed) a new president is in, credit cards for porn will be history.

Companies paying $75 per signup on a $5 trial counting on making that back from recurring will be hit -- hard. This continued use of pps way out of proportion with actual $ generated in a single sale will kill the biggest players first. It is after all much easier to recover from paying $75 for 50 signups that get cancelled by cc cos, than $75 for 1000.

Revshare can weather something like this better - maybe not well enough to survive, but there is a chance since you're only paying out 50-60% (if you're sane) of sales. There is time to adapt and shift to other payment options. Not much, but some.

That's where the only killer app I can think of lies -- alternatives to credit card processing that don't go belly up and screw all of their clients.

As far as mainstream, that's a tougher one to crack than adult. The demand is much more finite, the requirements to break in require much more capital and innovation. And if you go on affiliate-model versus what most of us are used to, subscriber-model, business, revenues are drastically less.

So I'd be curious about what others have to say about breaking into mainstream. I am beginning to wonder if, barring a sex scandal of some major SE execs, it is possible to pay the bills with a mainstream "newbie" site these days. Affiliate model, adult is 50+% - mainstream, 5-10% at best. Sometimes only $1 or $2.

The challenge is to create a fresh subscriber-model section fed by a front-end which is affiliate model - with, given those percentages, ten times or more of your current traffic to make the same amount assuming conversions are the same.

Which has been done, ad infinitum, by companies who got started like many us did back in 2000, 1999, or earlier. Look at gay.com - ranked #756 in Alexa. Is it even possible to generate that kind of traffic from zero in a relatively mainstream/crossover concept without millions in revenue?

Adult webmasters getting in today still have opportunities. As long as there are humans, the demand will be highest for three things - sex, cigarettes, and alcohol. I would say getting into the paysite end of things now is daunting and requires the same amount of cash as it always did - from almost nothing to huge amounts - but the key as with any business is to find untapped demand and tap it, which is much easier in adult than mainstream even today.

-doug

mrthumbs

mainstream = everything outside porn.

Why and what makes it so hard for people to think of profitable concepts in mainstream? Its an area zillion times bigger.

The only difference with porn is at the creative level:
there's so much possible and so many scenarios... as with
porn you simply have to imitate the dumbfuck nextdoor...

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maxjohan

I agree with that too...there's no reason to be in porn if you don't make good money... get a job or find a new industry... at least the best thing you can do is take a break, helped me a lot.

Weight loss industry $30 billion

Just one example.

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bully_shyte

Interesting thread! I would like to say, however, that it is one of those prophecies that could be self fulfilling. Diversification is extremely important. When we got into the adult business approximately two years ago we looked at the business plan and decided it would be more beneficial to build a company around "enhancing" the industry rather than becoming another within the list of small guys that don't make it.
We used the adult industry to drive our custom writing programme with a great deal of success. The adult free sites have simply been the vehicle to vertical marketing. Our affiliates are telling us they are making money through our service than they are through their sites even though the income they generate with us is considerably less per deal.
It is a matter of thinking outside the box (F*CK I hate that expression) but following a business plan to the max.
Would I go into this industry now? You bet!

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Sly_RJ

Each and every one of those had experience backing them. Most also had lots of money to spend.

Bad examples.

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hova

Thats true. Just like in every other business you need money to make money. And offcourse there are exceptions, but you can't built shit with shit. Offcourse you can make some $$$ with nothing and invest that to make more $$$ but thats a long road to go if you want to make 6-7 figures

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slapass

Lil2rich4u not the brightest bulb and broke as hell when he started said he makes 7-8 k a month now. Add it up. He is clearly not the winner of new webmasters in the last year.

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slapass

I was pointing out that people in the know are moving into the business in more ways. Buggywhip makers are not starting new saddle businesses right now.

If porn was dead the big guys would be trying to hold their own and little guys would be trampled. Maturing markets do this. Look at the tech bubble and you can see the parallel.

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bully_shyte

It is NOT possible to make six figures without start up funding. Most of the little ones that start in here are coming in thinking that the only thing they need do is to show some ravaged "ripped off" naked babe and they will make a fortune. The problem is that they are too proud to admit they are making less than a grand a month and go way beyond stretching the truth.
If we were not already healthily funded and had a writing staff on board I would never have gotten into the adult biz on a whim. Too much to learn and way too much to comprehend and given the fact there are exceptionally talented pros out there that have a firm grasp of and on the marketplace it does not leave the underfunded neophyte much room for growth.
The adult industry is no different than any other industry. It requires a business plan to determine the practicality of the venture, funding to ensure sufficient working capital for a two year period and a tonne of sweat equity and, there is still no guarantee of success.

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MasterBlogger

Interesting ...
I just bookmarked your site.

itzjamiex

On my college budget $3K a month is a blessing...

Ash@phpFX

i disagree, you can start up with basically no startup capital by building freesites and galleries, or by doing work such as design or programming and then reinvest and build from there. Everyone says how hard it is to start in this biz but in comparison to other ventures, its damn easy

KraZ

Porn is a global industry so of course it is competitive. If you're a broke-ass MF in the US, you could be better of flipping burgers in McDonalds 'cos the Russians will work for less and do the same job (gallery buildin, submittin, etc.).

That's why Rick Latona is moving to St. Petersburg ... it doesn't take long to see that the ones who are flexible and have a global vision will be the ones left standing.

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Btw, congrats to CyberTraffic for posting the #1 thread

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