Will you ever trust a sponsor program using MPA2 again???? - GoFuckYourself.com

StuartD · 03-05-2004, 06:49 PM

I'm sure that you've heard of the sextronix thing by now.. unless you live under a rock.

Well, MPA2 comes with those shaving #'s as DEFAULT settings.

it's not a module.. it's built it. What does that mean? It means that every single sponsor out there has those settings as soon as they buy the software.

If they are true business men, and change those settings to turn it off... it still leaves a TON of people not trusting them just because they see they're using MPA2.

I know of a couple of them that trust me enough to let me into their admin areas to let me see that they indeed do have the shaving info right there, PAGE ONE of their admin. And there's nothing they can do about it but to put in 0's (to disable it).

Does this Sextronix scandle hurt Sextronix's reputation.... or the reputation of EVERY SINGLE SPONSOR that uses MPA2???

BradM · 03-05-2004, 06:50 PM

It hurts MPA2. But everyone knows that setting is there and anyone who uses MPA2 can turn it on....

lurking · 03-05-2004, 06:51 PM

my rock's name is lumpy.

jact · 03-05-2004, 06:52 PM

I've been wary of MPA2 sponsors ever since I found out this feature was available and turned on by default, however cascading processing is such a useful tool and conversions are usually way better as a result, sometimes you have to take the plunge and trust someone. Any sponsor can shave if they don't use third party stats, and as we found out with PerfectionCash, even sponsors can shave using third party...

Let's face it, the world looks at us as the scum of the earth, and like the greedy douche bags that we are, we live up to the reputation.

SomeCreep · 03-05-2004, 06:52 PM

Yes, MPA2 is professional affiliate software. It is not MPA2's fault sponsors shave, it is the sponsor's fault. All affiliate software includes a shave feature.

Number1Thumb · 03-05-2004, 06:53 PM

MPA2 is one buggy piece of shit though

PMdave · 03-05-2004, 06:53 PM

They are my favorite... I heard most of them had their settings like this just to make it look as if they have the best industry ratio

StuartD · 03-05-2004, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SomeCreep
Yes, MPA2 is professional affiliate software. It is not MPA2's fault sponsors shave, it is the sponsor's fault. All affiliate software includes a shave feature.

Not true... some come with a "module" that costs extra to add in. And even then, it has to be enabled.

MPA2 comes with it turned on by default and set to what they assume most sponsors would want to use it at.

Tipsy · 03-05-2004, 07:00 PM

The daft thing is that so many people assume companies not using MPA2 are somehow 'safer'. You just gotta laugh

StuartD · 03-05-2004, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by Tipsy
The daft thing is that so many people assume companies not using MPA2 are somehow 'safer'. You just gotta laugh

This is true... programs have a long way to go to truly earn my trust, but... a shot in the arm like this sure doesn't help.

And yes, MPA2 is buggy as hell.... I wonder who's to blame for these stats... the sponsor or the software?

Elli · 03-05-2004, 07:04 PM

So, conversely, would it be a selling point (SCA) for an affiliate that advertised it did NOT use MPA2? But yeah, it's all who you trust, I guess.

rounders · 03-05-2004, 07:08 PM

eat psonoer is diff. gotta give them the benefit of the doubt

vas · 03-05-2004, 07:11 PM

dont blame the software, blame the company that uses that option of the software...

do you think that other software doesnt have the shaver? common.. all sponsers with custom software you would trust more then sponsers using mpa2? if you are happy with the bottom line then well be happy.. cuz in the end thats the only thing that counts... but yeah shaving sucks but dont blame it on the software.

Platinumpimp · 03-05-2004, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PMdave
They are my favorite... I heard most of them had their settings like this just to make it look as if they have the best industry ratio

From the netherlands?

Cyborg69 · 03-05-2004, 07:13 PM

primo DM · 03-05-2004, 07:19 PM

get MONOLITH

www.speira.com

never has and never will have a shaving feature.

Tanker · 03-05-2004, 07:19 PM

you can shave even if the company uses just third party stats I wouldnt not use a program because they dont use third party stats

and I surely wouldnt not use a program because they use MPA2

I would look more at the reputation of the owners of the company and see what other people say about them

I would want to send my traffic to a program that has a good reputation and is known to pay on time

PMdave · 03-05-2004, 07:20 PM

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Originally posted by PlatinumPimp

From the netherlands?

Don't insult me ever again

Belgium

pimplink · 03-05-2004, 07:20 PM

MPA2 hurts.

StuartD · 03-05-2004, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tanker
you can shave even if the company uses just third party stats I wouldnt not use a program because they dont use third party stats

and I surely wouldnt not use a program because they use MPA2

I would look more at the reputation of the owners of the company and see what other people say about them

I would want to send my traffic to a program that has a good reputation and is known to pay on time

Wow, you sure do use a lot of double negatives.

Anyway, I agree fully... I know some programs that have the shave option turned off, as I said. And I trust them.

But even you and I can't know them all... and we're not newbies.

So someone who joins in the industry tomorrow, and comes to a board and sees all of this.... what will they think?

Sly_RJ · 03-05-2004, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tanker
I would look more at the reputation of the owners of the company and see what other people say about them

I'm getting to the point where I'd rather hear nothing about a company than something good. So many of the "hey they rock!" sentiments are bought by a beer and a couple lap dances.

chrisp420 · 03-05-2004, 07:34 PM

trust em or not, mpa2 or not.

trust a program when you track your own out going clicks and they match the program's stats.

i do this for every fucking hit that my sites send out, and the only stats that match my click tracking is ccbill.

i could name a dozen programs that shave according to my stats, some run mpa2 some dont.

fuck yall shaven fucks.

EDIT: iv seen almost 60% shave from my tracking.. thats fucking SAD.

MediumPimpin · 03-05-2004, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaskedMan

Wow, you sure do use a lot of double negatives.

Anyway, I agree fully... I know some programs that have the shave option turned off, as I said. And I trust them.

But even you and I can't know them all... and we're not newbies.

So someone who joins in the industry tomorrow, and comes to a board and sees all of this.... what will they think?

I agree thats why are doing this,

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Sly_RJ · 03-05-2004, 07:52 PM

Oh, by the way... we're busting our ass setting up a new program. Due to so many webmaster complaints, we will NOT be using MPA2. We'd much rather have that extra "edge" of trust with our webmasters... and not to mention, we've seen some very fishy numbers with a couple "popular" MPA2 based programs.

CashGordon · 03-05-2004, 08:26 PM

Read

1- http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...postid=3542982

2- http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=247925

3- http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...&threadid=5542

4- And if you still think I'm shaving I can show my stats live to anybody request it.

funkmaster · 03-05-2004, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SexTronix
Read

1- http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...postid=3542982

2- http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=247925

3- http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...&threadid=5542

4- And if you still think I'm shaving I can show my stats live to anybody request it.

... man, give it up, it's useless. I exposed cheaters using stolen creditcards to generate signups ... it didn't get me anywhere.

... register a new domain and start all over again, sad but true.

crockett · 03-05-2004, 08:49 PM

it's quite ironic that the programs I send traffic to, that use MPA2 are my worst converting sponsers. Go figure..

btw dose MPA2 give the option t set the shave for each and every affiliate or does everyone get fucked equally?

Nyght · 03-05-2004, 08:52 PM

Someone post a list of sponsors using mpa2.

03-05-2004, 06:49 PM	#1
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	Will you ever trust a sponsor program using MPA2 again???? I'm sure that you've heard of the sextronix thing by now.. unless you live under a rock. Well, MPA2 comes with those shaving #'s as DEFAULT settings. it's not a module.. it's built it. What does that mean? It means that every single sponsor out there has those settings as soon as they buy the software. If they are true business men, and change those settings to turn it off... it still leaves a TON of people not trusting them just because they see they're using MPA2. I know of a couple of them that trust me enough to let me into their admin areas to let me see that they indeed do have the shaving info right there, PAGE ONE of their admin. And there's nothing they can do about it but to put in 0's (to disable it). Does this Sextronix scandle hurt Sextronix's reputation.... or the reputation of EVERY SINGLE SPONSOR that uses MPA2??? __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

03-05-2004, 06:52 PM	#4
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	I've been wary of MPA2 sponsors ever since I found out this feature was available and turned on by default, however cascading processing is such a useful tool and conversions are usually way better as a result, sometimes you have to take the plunge and trust someone. Any sponsor can shave if they don't use third party stats, and as we found out with PerfectionCash, even sponsors can shave using third party... Let's face it, the world looks at us as the scum of the earth, and like the greedy douche bags that we are, we live up to the reputation. __________________ Free agent

03-05-2004, 06:52 PM	#5
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	Yes, MPA2 is professional affiliate software. It is not MPA2's fault sponsors shave, it is the sponsor's fault. All affiliate software includes a shave feature. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

03-05-2004, 07:00 PM	#9
Tipsy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: See sig Posts: 6,989	The daft thing is that so many people assume companies not using MPA2 are somehow 'safer'. You just gotta laugh __________________ Ignorance is never bliss.

03-05-2004, 07:04 PM	#11
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	So, conversely, would it be a selling point (SCA) for an affiliate that advertised it did NOT use MPA2? But yeah, it's all who you trust, I guess. __________________ email: [email protected]

03-05-2004, 06:50 PM	#2
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	It hurts MPA2. But everyone knows that setting is there and anyone who uses MPA2 can turn it on....

03-05-2004, 06:51 PM	#3
lurking Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 868	my rock's name is lumpy.

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Number1Thumb Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,135	MPA2 is one buggy piece of shit though

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PMdave Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,517	They are my favorite... I heard most of them had their settings like this just to make it look as if they have the best industry ratio

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rounders Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: p0rn0stars & h0es Posts: 2,931	eat psonoer is diff. gotta give them the benefit of the doubt __________________ ICQ#: 153923840

03-05-2004, 07:11 PM	#13
vas Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 562	dont blame the software, blame the company that uses that option of the software... do you think that other software doesnt have the shaver? common.. all sponsers with custom software you would trust more then sponsers using mpa2? if you are happy with the bottom line then well be happy.. cuz in the end thats the only thing that counts... but yeah shaving sucks but dont blame it on the software.

03-05-2004, 07:13 PM	#15
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03-05-2004, 07:19 PM	#16
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03-05-2004, 07:19 PM	#17
Tanker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 9,287	you can shave even if the company uses just third party stats I wouldnt not use a program because they dont use third party stats and I surely wouldnt not use a program because they use MPA2 I would look more at the reputation of the owners of the company and see what other people say about them I would want to send my traffic to a program that has a good reputation and is known to pay on time __________________ Tanker ICQ 3427575 CCBTools Now featured in the CCBill.com APP STORE

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03-05-2004, 07:34 PM	#22
chrisp420 Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: NY/MA Posts: 572	trust em or not, mpa2 or not. trust a program when you track your own out going clicks and they match the program's stats. i do this for every fucking hit that my sites send out, and the only stats that match my click tracking is ccbill. i could name a dozen programs that shave according to my stats, some run mpa2 some dont. fuck yall shaven fucks. EDIT: iv seen almost 60% shave from my tracking.. thats fucking SAD. __________________ icq: 327189899

03-05-2004, 07:52 PM	#24
Sly_RJ Live Hard - Die Hard Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ready to leave... Posts: 17,042	Oh, by the way... we're busting our ass setting up a new program. Due to so many webmaster complaints, we will NOT be using MPA2. We'd much rather have that extra "edge" of trust with our webmasters... and not to mention, we've seen some very fishy numbers with a couple "popular" MPA2 based programs. __________________ PHAT SERVERS - Quality dedicated hosting at a quality price! sly AT phatservers DOT com - 147479144

03-05-2004, 08:26 PM	#25
CashGordon at your service Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,201	Read 1- http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...postid=3542982 2- http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=247925 3- http://www.greenguyandjim.com/board/...&threadid=5542 4- And if you still think I'm shaving I can show my stats live to anybody request it. __________________ SEXTRONIX \| DATETRONIX \| HENTAIBIZ \| PIMPBOSS \| GAYTRONIX icq#306500802 cashgordon\|\|at\|\|sextronix.com

03-05-2004, 08:49 PM	#27
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	it's quite ironic that the programs I send traffic to, that use MPA2 are my worst converting sponsers. Go figure.. btw dose MPA2 give the option t set the shave for each and every affiliate or does everyone get fucked equally? __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator. Last edited by crockett; 03-05-2004 at 08:51 PM..

03-05-2004, 08:52 PM	#28
Nyght Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 438	Someone post a list of sponsors using mpa2.