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greentea · 03-02-2004, 07:56 PM

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Brull Piccionelli Sarno Braun & Vradenburgh
A Professional Association
1925 Century Park East, Suite 2350
Los Angeles, CA 90067
Tel: (310) 553-3375
Fax: (310) 553-4120

November 13, 2001

Via FEDERAL EXPRESS and
EMAIL: [email protected]

Robert A. Sarno
E-mail: [email protected]
Direct Line: (323) 666-0485

Mr. Jive
(Deleted)
Vancouver, BC CAN V5N2R6

Re: RJB Telecom, Inc.; Robert Botto
Legal Action for Defamation/ Cease and Desist Notice

Mr.Jive : This law firm represents both RJB Telecom, Inc., the operator of the Maximum Cash (MaxCash) webmaster affiliate program, and Robert Botto, individually.

It has come to my clients' attention that you have been publishing false defamatory and malicious statements and accusations on the Internet directed against RJB Telecom, the Maximum Cash Program and Robert Botto. I have attached a copy of the text of the identical messages you posted on November 12, 2001 at the following urls: www.privatelabelresources.com and www.trafficswap.com. In both instances you posted these messages under the name "Jive". The email address for Jive is (deleted). I have also sent you a copy of this letter at that email address.

As I indicated, I have attached your statement in its entirety to this letter. Without going into all of the objectionable particulars of your statement, I would simply point out that you falsely accuse the Maximum Cash program as being fraudulent and that the owner of Maximum Cash, i.e., "RB" (Robert Botto) as being a "manipulator and a cheater" who is "scamming" participating webmasters by "shaving" traffic figures and "ripping" them off (i.e., defrauding them of commissions to which they are entitled). All of these allegations of wrong doing on the part of Robert Botto, RJB Telecom, Inc., and Maximum Cash are totally baseless, untrue and false. Your false statements are made either made with knowledge of the falsity of those statements or with a reckless disregard of the falsity of those statements. Moreover, your defamation falsely implies that Robert Botto is engaging in criminal conduct, and therefore constitutes libel per se.

This is to put you on notice that your false and slanderous statements and accusations against my clients constitute intentional defamation and tortuous interference with prospective business opportunities. Your false and defamatory statements, published in the chat rooms of web sites catering to adult webmasters, appear to be designed and calculated to inflict the greatest possible damage on my clients' business interests and reputation within the very industry that they do business.

On behalf of my clients I make a formal demand on you to immediately cease and desist from any further publication, either in writing or verbally, of defamatory and slanderous false statements and accusations against RJB Telecom, Inc., the Maximum Cash Affiliate Program, Robert Botto or any other person or persons associated with any of them.

If we determine that you make any further defamatory or slanderous statements regarding my clients, my law firm has been authorized to take all appropriate actions to protect their rights, including filing a complaint against you for your willful and malicious tortuous actions in which we will seek maximum monetary damages, including compensatory and punitive damages, injunctive relief and attorneys fees.

I note that your address is in Canada. Lest you mistakenly believe that your actions can not be punished or that you can escape liability because your residence is outside the United States, let me assure you that we are fully prepared to pursue this matter in the United States Federal District Court or, if necessary, to engage our Canadian attorneys to prosecute this matter against you directly in the appropriate Canadian courts.

Please henceforth direct all communications concerning this matter to the undersigned.
I look forward to your timely response, and thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation. On the other hand, should you choose not be cooperative, rest assured that this law firm will vigorously and ardently pursue every legal avenue available to vindicate my clients' rights and secure full compensation for their damages.

I strongly urge you to contact me directly upon receipt of this letter to communicate your unconditional agreement to comply. If I do not receive a satisfactory response from you within 5 days of receipt of this letter I will proceed with filing a lawsuit against you.

This letter is written without prejudice to any rights of our clients, including, but not limited to, rights to injunctive relief, compensatory and punitive damages and attrorneys' fees.

Very truly yours,

Robert A. Sarno

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For those of you with a Maxcash reseller account here is the full thread link:

http://forums.maxcash.com/showthrea...e=&view=&sb=&o=

Lane · 03-02-2004, 08:03 PM

"they're"

greentea · 03-02-2004, 08:03 PM

bump for jive turkey

twistyneck · 03-02-2004, 08:06 PM

*Scratches Max Cash off the list of sponsors to try someday.*

greentea · 03-02-2004, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck
*Scratches Max Cash off the list of sponsors to try someday.*

Why would you do that?, Because there protecting there good name and business against a MORON such as jive turkey?

twistyneck · 03-02-2004, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greentea

Why would you do that?, Because there protecting there good name and business against a MORON such a jive turkey?

Because they sound like dickheads that take message boards a little too seriously.

Dveron · 03-02-2004, 08:14 PM

Haha that's great. I knew that whiny, paranoid fucker would get busted for slander sometime, just surprised some of the other sponsors he badmouthed here didn't get there before Max Cash.

Max Cash are good people

integrated · 03-02-2004, 08:14 PM

i've seen a few of them in my time

psyko514 · 03-02-2004, 08:18 PM

fucking right. my respect for maxcash just jumped several levels.

it's about time this idiot gets sued for slander and libel.

candidpublishinginc · 03-02-2004, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck

Because they sound like dickheads that take message boards a little too seriously.

You are clueless.

I support Max Cash's actions and wish the the best of luck. It's about time sponsors stopped taking the bullshit badmouthing that some webmasters do.

- Jesus Christ - · 03-02-2004, 08:23 PM

This pic represents the situation quite nicely

Dveron · 03-02-2004, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck
*Scratches Max Cash off the list of sponsors to try someday.*

Wonder how many folks did just that after seeing Jive spewing his usual bullshit about them here?

integrated · 03-02-2004, 08:24 PM

i just noticed the title of the thread and it seems the creator of this thread is supporting JIVE so it is also LIBEL

another thing isnt it illegal to post such letters

i smell a law suit

Digipimp · 03-02-2004, 08:25 PM

Send them a letter back telling them to go fuck themselves is what he should do.

greentea · 03-02-2004, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by integrated
i just noticed the title of the thread and it seems the creator of this thread is supporting JIVE so it is also LIBEL

another thing isnt it illegal to post such letters

i smell a law suit

please make it stop!! please make it stop!!

nojob · 03-02-2004, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by candidpublishinginc

You are clueless.

I support Max Cash's actions and wish the the best of luck. It's about time sponsors stopped taking the bullshit badmouthing that some webmasters do.

I feel the same way. If you take food out of my mouth Ill squash you. I hate webmasters that do not know how to convet.

integrated · 03-02-2004, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by greentea

please make it stop!! please make it stop!!

i call it like i see it

if you dont like that,

well thats your problem not mine

psyko514 · 03-02-2004, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by twistyneck

Because they sound like dickheads that take message boards a little too seriously.

Jive posts on several message boards accusing many programs of shaving, bad management, etc. He sends traffic through type-in domains and he thinks the traffic he's sending is worth more than gold.

At one point, on the WEGCash forums, he accused them of shaving and said his stats were at 0:800 or something. When someone from the program looked at his account, his stats were about 1:250. He still accused them of shaving.

He has accused MaxCash, WEGCash and ARS amongst others. In his opinion, whoever defends the company is either on the payroll of the company or is a moderator on the forum he's posting on.

Now we're all aware of your feelings on affiliate programs, but all feelings aside, they get a lot of business from message boards. Someone libeling a program on GFY is like a store taking a full page ad out in the local newspaper libeling their competition.

Unfortunately, people believe what they read and a lot of people take the message boards seriously. If you gave me a week or two, I could convince people here that your website is loaded with stolen content or that you're a pedophile. It would be false, but people would believe it.

greentea · 03-02-2004, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514

Jive posts on several message boards accusing many programs of shaving, bad management, etc. He sends traffic through type-in domains and he thinks the traffic he's sending is worth more than gold.

At one point, on the WEGCash forums, he accused them of shaving and said his stats were at 0:800 or something. When someone from the program looked at his account, his stats were about 1:250. He still accused them of shaving.

He has accused MaxCash, WEGCash and ARS amongst others. In his opinion, whoever defends the company is either on the payroll of the company or is a moderator on the forum he's posting on.

Now we're all aware of your feelings on affiliate programs, but all feelings aside, they get a lot of business from message boards. Someone libeling a program on GFY is like a store taking a full page ad out in the local newspaper libeling their competition.

Unfortunately, people believe what they read and a lot of people take the message boards seriously. If you gave me a week or two, I could convince people here that your website is loaded with stolen content or that you're a pedophile. It would be false, but people would believe it.

Exactly, well said!

the Shemp · 03-02-2004, 09:17 PM

that letter goes back to 2001

KMR Stitch · 03-03-2004, 06:28 AM

Burn the fucker!

KRL · 03-03-2004, 06:43 AM

All I can say Jive is don't fuck with the Botto boys. Their pockets are deep, they're very well connected and you're stepping into a quicksand trap if you think you can play games with their rep and get away with it without legal recourse.

WiredGuy · 03-03-2004, 07:39 AM

I thought Jive likes to collect C&D's. His accusations around the boards surely make me believe so.

WG

AWW - Kevin · 03-03-2004, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by the Shemp
that letter goes back to 2001

pssst don't tell them

Grammar Police · 03-03-2004, 07:52 AM

you're

they're

Brujah · 03-03-2004, 07:59 AM

cashman · 03-03-2004, 09:18 AM

That's B.S., Fuck Maximum Cash

greentea · 03-05-2004, 03:42 PM

Ic3m4nZ · 03-05-2004, 03:46 PM

Jive is right on some programs

dropped9 · 05-01-2004, 01:14 PM

zzgundamnzz · 05-01-2004, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by psyko514
Jive posts on several message boards accusing many programs of shaving, bad management, etc. He sends traffic through type-in domains and he thinks the traffic he's sending is worth more than gold.

At one point, on the WEGCash forums, he accused them of shaving and said his stats were at 0:800 or something. When someone from the program looked at his account, his stats were about 1:250. He still accused them of shaving.

He has accused MaxCash, WEGCash and ARS amongst others. In his opinion, whoever defends the company is either on the payroll of the company or is a moderator on the forum he's posting on.

Now we're all aware of your feelings on affiliate programs, but all feelings aside, they get a lot of business from message boards. Someone libeling a program on GFY is like a store taking a full page ad out in the local newspaper libeling their competition.

Unfortunately, people believe what they read and a lot of people take the message boards seriously. If you gave me a week or two, I could convince people here that your website is loaded with stolen content or that you're a pedophile. It would be false, but people would believe it.

I agree, with what you said. Its not right when someone does false accusations to a program just to generate publicity...

TheFrog · 05-01-2004, 01:26 PM

I support Max cash in this issue

CuriousToyBoy2 · 05-01-2004, 01:32 PM

The only thing WE shave is our boys.

03-02-2004, 07:56 PM	#1
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	Jive your right there all shaving! quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Brull Piccionelli Sarno Braun & Vradenburgh A Professional Association 1925 Century Park East, Suite 2350 Los Angeles, CA 90067 Tel: (310) 553-3375 Fax: (310) 553-4120 November 13, 2001 Via FEDERAL EXPRESS and EMAIL: [email protected] Robert A. Sarno E-mail: [email protected] Direct Line: (323) 666-0485 Mr. Jive (Deleted) Vancouver, BC CAN V5N2R6 Re: RJB Telecom, Inc.; Robert Botto Legal Action for Defamation/ Cease and Desist Notice Mr.Jive : This law firm represents both RJB Telecom, Inc., the operator of the Maximum Cash (MaxCash) webmaster affiliate program, and Robert Botto, individually. It has come to my clients' attention that you have been publishing false defamatory and malicious statements and accusations on the Internet directed against RJB Telecom, the Maximum Cash Program and Robert Botto. I have attached a copy of the text of the identical messages you posted on November 12, 2001 at the following urls: www.privatelabelresources.com and www.trafficswap.com. In both instances you posted these messages under the name "Jive". The email address for Jive is (deleted). I have also sent you a copy of this letter at that email address. As I indicated, I have attached your statement in its entirety to this letter. Without going into all of the objectionable particulars of your statement, I would simply point out that you falsely accuse the Maximum Cash program as being fraudulent and that the owner of Maximum Cash, i.e., "RB" (Robert Botto) as being a "manipulator and a cheater" who is "scamming" participating webmasters by "shaving" traffic figures and "ripping" them off (i.e., defrauding them of commissions to which they are entitled). All of these allegations of wrong doing on the part of Robert Botto, RJB Telecom, Inc., and Maximum Cash are totally baseless, untrue and false. Your false statements are made either made with knowledge of the falsity of those statements or with a reckless disregard of the falsity of those statements. Moreover, your defamation falsely implies that Robert Botto is engaging in criminal conduct, and therefore constitutes libel per se. This is to put you on notice that your false and slanderous statements and accusations against my clients constitute intentional defamation and tortuous interference with prospective business opportunities. Your false and defamatory statements, published in the chat rooms of web sites catering to adult webmasters, appear to be designed and calculated to inflict the greatest possible damage on my clients' business interests and reputation within the very industry that they do business. On behalf of my clients I make a formal demand on you to immediately cease and desist from any further publication, either in writing or verbally, of defamatory and slanderous false statements and accusations against RJB Telecom, Inc., the Maximum Cash Affiliate Program, Robert Botto or any other person or persons associated with any of them. If we determine that you make any further defamatory or slanderous statements regarding my clients, my law firm has been authorized to take all appropriate actions to protect their rights, including filing a complaint against you for your willful and malicious tortuous actions in which we will seek maximum monetary damages, including compensatory and punitive damages, injunctive relief and attorneys fees. I note that your address is in Canada. Lest you mistakenly believe that your actions can not be punished or that you can escape liability because your residence is outside the United States, let me assure you that we are fully prepared to pursue this matter in the United States Federal District Court or, if necessary, to engage our Canadian attorneys to prosecute this matter against you directly in the appropriate Canadian courts. Please henceforth direct all communications concerning this matter to the undersigned. I look forward to your timely response, and thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation. On the other hand, should you choose not be cooperative, rest assured that this law firm will vigorously and ardently pursue every legal avenue available to vindicate my clients' rights and secure full compensation for their damages. I strongly urge you to contact me directly upon receipt of this letter to communicate your unconditional agreement to comply. If I do not receive a satisfactory response from you within 5 days of receipt of this letter I will proceed with filing a lawsuit against you. This letter is written without prejudice to any rights of our clients, including, but not limited to, rights to injunctive relief, compensatory and punitive damages and attrorneys' fees. Very truly yours, Robert A. Sarno -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- For those of you with a Maxcash reseller account here is the full thread link: http://forums.maxcash.com/showthrea...e=&view=&sb=&o= __________________ blunts

03-02-2004, 08:03 PM	#2
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	"they're" __________________

03-02-2004, 08:03 PM	#3
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03-02-2004, 08:14 PM	#7
Dveron Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,794	Haha that's great. I knew that whiny, paranoid fucker would get busted for slander sometime, just surprised some of the other sponsors he badmouthed here didn't get there before Max Cash. Max Cash are good people __________________ Adult Comics Club - Updated Bi-Daily. 60% Recurring Payouts. Exclusive Comic Content.

03-02-2004, 08:14 PM	#8
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03-02-2004, 08:06 PM	#4
twistyneck So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hanging by the neck until dead. Posts: 4,660	Scratches Max Cash off the list of sponsors to try someday.

03-02-2004, 08:18 PM	#9
psyko514 See sig. Join Epic Cash. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec. ICQ: 214702014 Posts: 22,366	fucking right. my respect for maxcash just jumped several levels. it's about time this idiot gets sued for slander and libel. __________________ Bad Girl Bucks - 50% Revshare through CCBill. Promote BrandyDDD, Pixie's Pillows, Action Allie and more! Phoenix Forum Pics \| Webmaster Access Montreal pics email: psyko514(a)gmail.com \| icq: 214-702-014

03-02-2004, 08:23 PM	#11
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03-02-2004, 08:24 PM	#13
integrated Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: west end Posts: 3,826	i just noticed the title of the thread and it seems the creator of this thread is supporting JIVE so it is also LIBEL another thing isnt it illegal to post such letters i smell a law suit __________________ Pioneer of .TV domains Grandfather of .TV development Respected among industry LEADERS

03-02-2004, 08:25 PM	#14
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03-02-2004, 09:17 PM	#20
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	that letter goes back to 2001 __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

03-03-2004, 06:28 AM	#21
KMR Stitch I am cool Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 14,494	Burn the fucker!

03-03-2004, 06:43 AM	#22
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	All I can say Jive is don't fuck with the Botto boys. Their pockets are deep, they're very well connected and you're stepping into a quicksand trap if you think you can play games with their rep and get away with it without legal recourse. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

03-03-2004, 07:39 AM	#23
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,484	I thought Jive likes to collect C&D's. His accusations around the boards surely make me believe so. WG __________________ I play with Google.

03-03-2004, 07:52 AM	#25
Grammar Police So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 727	you're they're

03-03-2004, 07:59 AM	#26
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03-03-2004, 09:18 AM	#27
cashman Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 898	That's B.S., Fuck Maximum Cash

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greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	__________________ blunts

03-05-2004, 03:46 PM	#29
Ic3m4nZ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal! Posts: 6,285	Jive is right on some programs

05-01-2004, 01:14 PM	#30
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	bump

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TheFrog Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,095	I support Max cash in this issue

05-01-2004, 01:32 PM	#33
CuriousToyBoy2 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: The Land Downunder Posts: 707	The only thing WE shave is our boys.