1500

i think u need a good amount of money and a forecast of acceptable loss before u turn a profit.

Had a long long night.

Brisk....thanks for your input :)
Could you break down how you'd spend your investment?
What percentages would you allocate to each item?

you and I are in the same boat of thinking :thumbsup

Chowda.....that 1500 was supposed to be 150 for the post? hehehe Sure I think that it's wise to have the resources and the patience along with the resistance to not cop out because it's not profitable quick enough.

I figured that much! :)

nope 1500 :)

i dont know what is a good amount of time for paysites.. but i would forecast around 4-6 months.

where we at now?

That's what I'm figuring too. Hopefully sooner...

Let's see:

Foreign traffic preferences in billing options?
Who's been around in the European billing long enough to trust that they'll be there for much longer?
How much do you really need to start off? 40k 100k?
Whatever your response - break it down with what you'd do with it, where would you allocate it?
PPS/50-50/40-60 - What's the pros and cons? (some were mentioned)

Ok.....will go back through the threads you've missed to get the other points....BRB

Just send cash in the mail.

I'm sure everyone wants to do that :)

Shit. My Notepad is on fire from all the copy&paste I'm doing :)

Are keeping notes swedguy?

1. No opinion.
2. No opinion.
3. Need coffee first.
4.
a. PPS: Requires good amount of cash, need to know value of average member first, possible accusations of shaving. Other side is if you retain well its profitable.
b. 50-50: Quality site and content needed, you must retain very well, often less affiliates, your always paying out for your members, affiliates will get pissy about upsales or exits. Other side is your affiliates are with you for long haul.
c. 40-60 ect: Same as b, bigger number on the retention better mean better quality content, where bigger number on signup could land you more quick cash affiliates and more money in the retention.

I'm taking care of my daughter, will be back in awhile. :-)

Anybody else wanting to ask questions.....please keep'em busy.

BTW, FAC - good analysis.

Did you have your coffee yet?

Another question: How fancy should the main page of your site be? The members main page? Should there be fancy images or logo and text & should do? Simple layouts prove to be fine? Any complaints about too much simplicity?

Got distracted.

Main page on outside should of course sell the site and cover the main reasons to join.

Members area should be clean, well organized and very easy to navigate from one point to another no matter how deep they are in the site.

Simple or complex, ease of use and functionality are the key get that and it works.

the thing is that is you are doing a real microniche/fetish the people that are into it are going to search everywhere for what they want and I gaurantee you that they know what content is out there. So, if you are doing a micro-niche I actually think it is more important to have custom/exclusive content to offer them something new. However, make sure it is exactly what they want which is why custom is better because you can tell the photographer what your surfers want rather than trying to push off images that really weren't made for that group of surfers. :2 cents:

I agree sarah....but I think going all custom rightaway isn't feasible for me - and I don't have the luxury of putting 40k right now. I can get some custom, but can't make it entirely custom. Although, depending on how well it takes off and how long it will take to cover it's own bills - I will gradually add custom content. Before anything takes off, I will have a panel of discerning people view it to get their feedback. Hopefully it's favorable.

I do agree with you and everyone else saying go custom - if you have the bucks to spend - go custom all the way - I know the bigger ones that have boomed from the start, that was their key.

How much do you need?

Hmmm, guess as much as you can possibly get your hands on is not a good enough answer.

Assuming I was starting from scratch and wanted to do a 14.99 per month site that is micro niche based and I already had programs like adobe, thumbnailers, ect.

1500.00 - visa/mastercard.
8.00 - domain name.
250.00 - members area script.
1500.00 - design of tour.
200.00 - gallery templates.
5000.00 - 5 to 7 custom exclusive videos with pictures.
2500.00 - filler content, videos and pictures.
125.00 - dedicated server (bw extra). *monthly.
40.00 - password protection *monthly.
500.00 - expected bandwidth usage *monthly.
1500.00 - content updates, 1 to 2 custom and 250-500 for filler.

There so under 15k assuming no affiliate program, you do all the traffic gathering and do submission work every day yourself.

Then about 2200.00 a month for keeping it going.

You will be at the break even point around 170 members.

My 2 cents if your doing it for extra cash and not full time living and on one hell of a budget.

:2 cents:

FAC, I've got to hand it to you, you're a sweetheart.
I've already got a good part of those - at lower prices - so I'm quite happy I've gotten really been able to get good deals.

If I'm not mistaken, European companies don't pay the Visa/Mastercard?

For people who are in the US or would rather register in the US, do you know of any companies that incorporate for you & those types of services?

So what members area scripts are there? What should we look for in a M.A.S?

Not sure.

Never needed to look as I am US based.

Im partial to adultwebware. I would look for something that was easy to use, can handle updating for you, and is currently supported. Oh make for damn sure it handles movie files.

Ok....I'll check adultwebware. Are you suggesting that a Member's Area Script is vital? If so, why? Manually updating your site doesn't cut it nowadays??

It just sucks. It takes up valuable time you could be spending collecting traffic, promoting, answering member emails, ect.

Just checked their site, nothing to show until the 4.0 is ready :-(

Bump!

This is the single greatest GFY thread I have ever read! :thumbsup

I just wondered if anyone had any other classic (useful) GFY threads bookmarked and would willing to post the links here.

(runnning a paysite/MGP etc, generating traffic from galleries SE's/PPC etc.)

I think this is pretty close but you might want to update it a bit:

1) get more than 1 domain - cover possible variations and typos.
2) custom content - i'm partial of course but you could get 5-7 videos produced with us for half that
3) filler content - get a blowout (FocusAdult right now) - should keep you updating in the next 12 months - just $2000
4) dedicated server & bandwidth - you should shop around, I'm not sure $500 is a reasonable scenario for bw especially in the first 6 months
5) content updates - $1500 should get you two months of updates if you shop around (or contant us).

Otherwise this is pretty accurate :)

Wow.....thanks for bumping this up. I haven't bumped it cuz I got cracking!!! Been working on the suggestions brought up by everyone. Once things are rolling, I will give feedback on what worked and what didn't.

1) Good point about the domains....I generally have that covered.
2) Custom content - I haven't seen your site, however I'm inclined to say that I've searched for producers of the content I want (and there aren't many) and the going price seems just between both yours and FAC's amounts (once this is posted going to your site right after)
3) Depending on the niche, the content blowouts don't always work. However, I agree that shopping around for a good deal is always good. Finding the producer, you may actually get a better deal (no middle man to pay) but it's not easy to find a producer that has 'non-exclusive' pics that he hasn't sold all the rights to. For custom content - it's cheaper to go to the source.
For semi-exclusive, can't really say, haven't found anyone that hasn't sold their rights to a 'content distributor/store'.
4) Server - it's all taken care of.
5) It actually costed us double that (if not more) but we intend on daily updates.

I'll keep looking out for any other suggestions! Keep'em coming :-)

This quote came about using low end figures and the sheer basics of what I felt was needed.

1. domains: Yes it would prolly run me about 64.00 for a three word domain name. hypenated and non hypenated versions.

2. Exclusives: I went on the high end with video costs on this. I know if you shop around, haggle, or have contacts you can get this number considerably lower. In this figure I am using the assumption of US produced content.

3. Filler: I would prolly spend closer to 3000.00 Do keep in mind I based this all of off a microniche where most of your blowout deals would not apply.

4. Servers: 4/5ths of that figure would be bandwidth per month. If your relying on doing personal submissions and the like. The first 30-60 days will not show a ton of bandwidth usage as places are just getting your submissions accepted. Then it should pick up quit a bit and with daily submits 400.00 in bw is reasonable.

5. Updates: same logic as number 2.

Ok..Another question on the table.

You find a talented writer:
1) Has stories already published and allows you to use them online (semi-exclusive) only selling the right to publish to you. - however he retains the right to publish for himself.
2) Will be writing exclusive stories for you.

Anybody know of links to text-writer agreements, or do people just wing it in this area?

Same goes for cartoons. I found a local guy who'll be making custom exclusive stuff for us.

Before I go to a lawyer - where can I find good = fair agreements in these two cases? Something that protects both buyer and producer? Or, are these cases where they are working for us, therefore we retain all publication rights?

A bump..... :-)

1. That can pretty much be covered in a license agreement and or a purchase agreement.
2. Same as number 1 just more limited.

Such agreements are just like picture or video content. Only real difference is the medium they are in. Same goes for cartoons.

A lawyer is the way to go, yet to keep costs down most paralegals could do this for you and have it signed off by a lawyer for a much cheaper rate.

once you had avoided the mistake,
learn from it.

Nice thread :thumbsup

Great thread. I'm starting my first pasite in the next month and I've been surfing all the boards to take a bit of advice I can find. Okay back to reading....

mistakes are everywhere! can't change that!

Thanks for your post, I actually found a good reference on the net - I'll post the link later (I'm not on the same computer)

As for mistakes, I try not to shoot from the hip - if I do something it's because there was thought put into it. If I avoid mistakes, I generally take that situation and put it in many prospectives and keep it in mind so there is a strategy for everything - even at the last minute.

Martin: Good for you! I actually thought you already had sites :-))

reynold: Sure mistakes are everywhere, but if you keep your eyes open and ears listening, generally there have been thousands before you that have made the mistakes before you and their experience should serve as a lesson.



My question for today - other than galleries, free sites, search engines.....what types of traffic should we be looking to purchase?
Blind, clicked, smaller ppc sengines, pop-up, ...... Please.....let me know :-) Thanks!!!

Just looking over the threads......I noticed that the 'Super Big' guys have no advice or suggestions to offer.

Must be trade secrets, Copyright 1996 CosaVostra or something :-))

Yap. I think thats right. Better not exclusive but good quality.

not setting up a automated backup system

Purchased for a new site? Think about that question a little and roll it around in your head. I think you can come up with a fairly good answer.

Wrong . If you open an affiliate program and your site sucks, it's not worth it . You should take 2-3 good friends that you know to post mass galleries and buy spots to be exposed on every tgp for couple months . After some time open a webmaster program and webmaster that will have seen your site everywhere will want to promote it.

Don't overcharge! do not fuck your customers! or they will end up fucking you!:winkwink: