Lord of The Rings = Racist?

[Mr. Marks]

Interesting how the differing "races" are all white and the orcs, goblins, trolls, etc are non white.

Then again, Hollywood is no stranger to demonization. How I'd love to watch a movie told from the point of view of an Orc captain. Perhaps, it would start with how they were an oppressed minority for so long and how elves/humans conspired to rob them of their birthright


As you can tell.... Im a big fan of "The Master and Margarita"

[JDog]

Originally posted by papichulo
Interesting how the differing "races" are all white and the orcs, goblins, trolls, etc are non white.

Then again, Hollywood is no stranger to demonization. How I'd love to watch a movie told from the point of view of an Orc captain. Perhaps, it would start with how they were an oppressed minority for so long and how elves/humans conspired to rob them of their birthright


As you can tell.... Im a big fan of "The Master and Margarita"

It isn't Hollywood that maked them all white, it is how the books were written, remember this was written just over 50 years ago!

jDoG

[421Fill]

what about Sauron?

oops, I meant to say Saruman. (edit)

[mech]

And in the Matrix Trilogy everyone from Zion was muscular and black and their savior was a white skinny loser. Chew on that.

[Mr. Marks]

Interesting how blacks, Indians, latin mestizos, asians, finally became human in just 50 years time. WOW! Amazing shit, Skippy!

Originally posted by JDog


It isn't Hollywood that maked them all white, it is how the books were written, remember this was written just over 50 years ago!

jDoG

[Mr. Marks]

Originally posted by mech
And in the Matrix Trilogy everyone from Zion was muscular and black and their savior was a white skinny loser. Chew on that.

The original script called for a black lead actor for the role of NEO. Funny how they offered the role first to Will Smith. Shocking but true.

[421Fill]

Originally posted by papichulo


The original script called for a black lead actor for the role of NEO. Funny how they offered the role first to Will Smith. Shocking but true.

And Will Smith turned them down, not the other way around.

[Nas7782]

Are you fucking for real? There's no racism behind this great movie. Fuck the PC (politically correct) bullshit and enjoy the movie.

[com]

Originally posted by Nas7782
Are you fucking for real? There's no racism behind this great movie. Fuck the PC (politically correct) bullshit and enjoy the movie.

amen... i love it when im the minority being caucation, but all the "minority" groups still make a huge stink over everything. you make yourselves a target by making it an issue! i mean shit if everyone just whent around minding their own business and stop complaining about how unjust and prejudice everyone else is... you'd probably have it alot easier

[Mr. Marks]

Originally posted by Nas7782
Are you fucking for real? There's no racism behind this great movie. Fuck the PC (politically correct) bullshit and enjoy the movie.

Yeah, let's work on that logic shall we.... next you'll tell me there's no racism in DW Griffith's "Birth of a Nation"

lol

[Mr. Marks]

Interesting how Middle Earth was to experience a triumph of the Age of Man. Where's the brown man or black man or red man or yellow man in the equation?

All you see are a bunch of long haired 70's roadie trailer trash rejects that look like a bad Aerosmith fan reunion.

Originally posted by com


amen... i love it when im the minority being caucation, but all the "minority" groups still make a huge stink over everything. you make yourselves a target by making it an issue! i mean shit if everyone just whent around minding their own business and stop complaining about how unjust and prejudice everyone else is... you'd probably have it alot easier

[com]

Originally posted by papichulo
Interesting how Middle Earth was to experience a triumph of the Age of Man. Where's the brown man or black man or red man or yellow man in the equation?

All you see are a bunch of long haired 70's roadie trailer trash rejects that look like a bad Aerosmith fan reunion.

ohh calm the fuck down, j.r.r. tolkien was also bisexual... so he was more of a minority at that point in time any any ethnicity was. Don't give me that...

[Jman69]

Buy the special edition DVD and watch the 'behind the scenes' there are black people working on the movie and in the film as well. The Orcs are like 50/50 black and white, even has a female playing an orc.

[Mr. Marks]

So the fact that he liked to gargle man milk excuses his racist view of what constitutes "Humanity"?

Originally posted by com


ohh calm the fuck down, j.r.r. tolkien was also bisexual... so he was more of a minority at that point in time any any ethnicity was. Don't give me that...

[Mr. Marks]

Wow, that makes it all better now. I sure hope they have Mexican gardeners on the set, Korean dudes delivering liquor store supplies, Chinese chicks handling the laundry, and Jews doing the accounting.

WTF were you thinking posting the crap below. Validates my point entirely

Originally posted by Jman69
Buy the special edition DVD and watch the 'behind the scenes' there are black people working on the movie and in the film as well. The Orcs are like 50/50 black and white, even has a female playing an orc.

[BRISK]

What other color would you have an Orc be? Dark seems appropriate to me

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by papichulo
So the fact that he liked to gargle man milk excuses his racist view of what constitutes "Humanity"?

hahah this post gets the idiot post of the month award. You are such a tool.

[bhutocracy]

I suppose because elves are superior to men in LOTR than he's also anti white man as well.

[Mr. Marks]

Originally posted by bhutocracy
I suppose because elves are superior to men in LOTR than he's also anti white man as well.

Actually, I think that's where the ANTISEMITIC angle comes from.

Jews = elves = obviously superior to the "humans" but check out how they are all going to Valinor because now its the "Fourth Age...the Age of Man".... Ethnic/religious separation (with some token exceptions ie., Frodo, Bilbo, and Gandalf joining the elves).

Classic antisemitism--play up Jews' obvious (and well documented) superiority in technology/trade/culture then separate them. Kinda mirrors European history from the fall of Rome to the Third Reich.

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by papichulo


Actually, I think that's where the ANTISEMITIC angle comes from.

Jews = elves = obviously superior to the "humans" but check out how they are all going to Valinor because now its the "Fourth Age...the Age of Man".... Ethnic/religious separation (with some token exceptions ie., Frodo, Bilbo, and Gandalf joining the elves).

Classic antisemitism--play up Jews' obvious (and well documented) superiority in technology/trade/culture then separate them. Kinda mirrors European history from the fall of Rome to the Third Reich.

ok now i know you're taking the piss and are just a troll lol.

[Mr. Marks]

Originally posted by bhutocracy


ok now i know you're taking the piss and are just a troll lol.

Its no laughing matter. Are you trying to laugh off the millenia of oppression Jews have suffered at the hands of Christian Europeans? Is it really a belly buster LOL moment to think about how European kingdoms invite Jews in to develop the local economy then 'separate' or kick them out after they have done their job? Jews have been kicked out of 55 countries throughout the millenia and this is the pattern. From the time of Joseph in Egypt to Jews in Rome to Jews in Poland to Jews in the Pale... always the same story. Pretty shabby treatment for the great people that brought us Einstein, Spinoza, Freud, Salk, Weinberg, and a disproportionate number of ground breaking scientists/philosophers/musicians throughout the ages.

Antisemitic exploitation brought to the screen... courtesy of Return of the King. Maybe they should change the title to Return of the Reich.

[com]

well if that's so, sig heil motherfucker.. it was an awesome set of books and an awesome movie series. some people aren't happy unless there's conflict surrounding them.

[Reak]

Originally posted by papichulo
Interesting how the differing "races" are all white and the orcs, goblins, trolls, etc are non white.

Then again, Hollywood is no stranger to demonization. How I'd love to watch a movie told from the point of view of an Orc captain. Perhaps, it would start with how they were an oppressed minority for so long and how elves/humans conspired to rob them of their birthright

The movie is like the book. If the book says they are white, we cant make them black in the movie right ? And i think its stupid of you to think such a movie have racist toughs. It's fantasy, and Orcs, those arent even humans, so wtf are you talking about ?

[titmowse]

"Trolls are only counterfeits, made by the Enemy in the Great Darkness, in mockery of Ents, as Orcs were of Elves."
(The Two Towers, p. 89)

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by papichulo


Its no laughing matter. Are you trying to laugh off the millenia of oppression Jews have suffered at the hands of Christian Europeans? Is it really a belly buster LOL moment to think about how European kingdoms invite Jews in to develop the local economy then 'separate' or kick them out after they have done their job? Jews have been kicked out of 55 countries throughout the millenia and this is the pattern. From the time of Joseph in Egypt to Jews in Rome to Jews in Poland to Jews in the Pale... always the same story. Pretty shabby treatment for the great people that brought us Einstein, Spinoza, Freud, Salk, Weinberg, and a disproportionate number of ground breaking scientists/philosophers/musicians throughout the ages.

Antisemitic exploitation brought to the screen... courtesy of Return of the King. Maybe they should change the title to Return of the Reich.

Actually it's YOU who I think it's piss funny - sorry mate, you're a good troll and i'll give you that, but a troll nonetheless! have fun with anyone stupid enough to reply further and enjoy the temporary attention you poor starved thing

[Mr. Marks]

Originally posted by Reak


The movie is like the book. If the book says they are white, we cant make them black in the movie right ? And i think its stupid of you to think such a movie have racist toughs. It's fantasy, and Orcs, those arent even humans, so wtf are you talking about ?

Peter Jackson took a LOT of liberties with the books in making these movies. If you read the books, you wouldn't have made the statement above. Particularly, he edited out Bombadil, he also played up the 1 footnote mention of Arwen to become a full character in the narrative.

What was preventing him from reflecting the ethnic/cultural/religious diversity that is the modern day world? If he was to pander to female viewer demographics, what was preventing him from reaching out to blacks and other minorities?

[TDF]

Originally posted by titmowse
"Trolls are only counterfeits, made by the Enemy in the Great Darkness, in mockery of Ents, as Orcs were of Elves."
(The Two Towers, p. 89)

gosh,thats an interesting tidbit

[Mr. Marks]

Your guilt burns just as the Ring turned Smeagol.... into Gollum.

Stop defending hatred and ignorance and start looking at things the way they truly are....


only then shall you be truly free (Tao Te Ching)

Originally posted by bhutocracy


Actually it's YOU who I think it's piss funny - sorry mate, you're a good troll and i'll give you that, but a troll nonetheless! have fun with anyone stupid enough to reply further and enjoy the temporary attention you poor starved thing

[Mr. Marks]

Originally posted by toodamnfli



gosh,thats an interesting tidbit

exactly. almost as interesting as reading Herbert Spencer-inspired racist tracks from the 20's and 30's arguing that blacks/latins/mestizos/asians/indians/jews were just "perversions' of the pure Nordic - Teutonic ideal.

[Reak]

Originally posted by papichulo



Peter Jackson took a LOT of liberties with the books in making these movies. If you read the books, you wouldn't have made the statement above. Particularly, he edited out Bombadil, he also played up the 1 footnote mention of Arwen to become a full character in the narrative.

I didn't read the books, but i but i dont smell the word racist for letting Bombadil out, wich is probelly a blackguy ?

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by Reak


I didn't read the books, but i but i dont smell the word racist for letting Bombadil out, wich is probelly a blackguy ?

hahah no he isn't.. but the elves aren't like jews either. For one they've got excellent eyesight.

[titmowse]

Originally posted by papichulo


exactly. almost as interesting as reading Herbert Spencer-inspired racist tracks from the 20's and 30's arguing that blacks/latins/mestizos/asians/indians/jews were just "perversions' of the pure Nordic - Teutonic ideal.

tolkien's series was a retelling of celtic lore. how many "blacks/latins/mestizos/asians/indians/jews" appear in celtic lore?

[Elli]

Yeah they should make King Arthur be Latino in the next Excalibur remake.

Come on people. It's not like it's an African tale being told with white folks acting it out, like in all the Jesus movies and Ben Hur, etc etc. It's a British tale based on Celtic lore/literature, and most Celts that I've read about were pretty pale, what with the pissing down rain and whatnot.

Go pick on Man of La Mancha with Peter O'Toole, who was an Irishman playing a Spaniard. (Remember the joke was always on Manuel in Fawlty Towers? Those were awful!)

[jollyperv]

This is the dumbest thread I've read in weeks.

[EZRhino]

Originally posted by mech
And in the Matrix Trilogy everyone from Zion was muscular and black and their savior was a white skinny loser. Chew on that.

[Ironhorse]

Actually in the first book and movie, when they're on Weathertop and Frodo puts on the ring, right before he gets stabbed, Tolkien clearly describes the Ringraiths as being white, with pale faces.

If anything, the moral is that these 'white guys' (Nazgul) corrupted all the other races, which is how the orcs were made..they were corrupeted from elves a long time before.

[com]

Originally posted by papichulo
Your guilt burns just as the Ring turned Smeagol.... into Gollum.

Stop defending hatred and ignorance and start looking at things the way they truly are....


only then shall you be truly free (Tao Te Ching)

quit top posting

[butcherboy]

Come on man!

This is ridiculous!
Why on every movie should be at least one black,indian and etc in main role!?!!?

I can't imagine Frodo as a negro....

[com]

Originally posted by butcherboy
Come on man!

This is ridiculous!
Why on every movie should be at least one black,indian and etc in main role!?!!?

I can't imagine Frodo as a negro....

I could, think about beatle juice playing frodo... that wouldve been hilarious

[Ironhorse]

Although did anyone see the MadTV take on racism in the first movie? That was hilarious, I wish I coud see it right now

[sacX]

Originally posted by papichulo
Interesting how the differing "races" are all white and the orcs, goblins, trolls, etc are non white.

Then again, Hollywood is no stranger to demonization. How I'd love to watch a movie told from the point of view of an Orc captain. Perhaps, it would start with how they were an oppressed minority for so long and how elves/humans conspired to rob them of their birthright


As you can tell.... Im a big fan of "The Master and Margarita"

It wasn't made in Hollywood

[fuzebox]

Daily dose of comedy.

Original poster cannot be serious.

[com]

Originally posted by fuzebox
Daily dose of comedy.

Original poster cannot be serious.

sadly it appears as though he is

[Mr.Fiction]

Originally posted by com


i mean shit if everyone just whent around minding their own business and stop complaining about how unjust and prejudice everyone else is... you'd probably have it alot easier

If only Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi would have shut their mouths and minded their own business, the world would be a better place, right?

[CamChicks]

before the age of automobiles and aeroplanes and ocean liners,
it was pretty tough for people from dark-skinned parts of the world
to travel to light-skinned parts of the world, and vice versa.

People need to remember it was geography that caused
humankind to look different from eachother in the first place.

[com]

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction


If only Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi would have shut their mouths and minded their own business, the world would be a better place, right?

Im talking about modern day. Blacks are no longer forced to sit on the back of the bus, there's quite a difference. I am not saying there isn't still racism... shit I've encountered racist black cops. The main thing you have to realise is they act the way they act because of their perception of the situation or past experience. It's not you.

[DWB]

Originally posted by mech
And in the Matrix Trilogy everyone from Zion was muscular and black and their savior was a white skinny loser. Chew on that.

That's because Will Smith turned down the roll of Neo to make Men In Black.

[Bansheelinks]

Originally posted by Ironhorse
Actually in the first book and movie, when they're on Weathertop and Frodo puts on the ring, right before he gets stabbed, Tolkien clearly describes the Ringraiths as being white, with pale faces.

If anything, the moral is that these 'white guys' (Nazgul) corrupted all the other races, which is how the orcs were made..they were corrupeted from elves a long time before.

Good point, Ironhorse. The idiot who started this thread is laughable. This is easily the best trilogy ever made and ROTK is one of the best movies of all time.........there is so much in the series it really boggles the mind.......there will always be mental midgets like this thread starter around to nitpick. Tolkien's works were about the human condition, not the racial condition.

Its why people will keep reading the books for several hundreds more years, and why LOTR series of books were voted the books of the century in Britain..........people could choose from any 20th century titles they wanted, and LOTR alone garnered over 40% of the vote in TOTALITY. That is amazing. People will read Tolkien for many more years and in five minutes, we will forget about the mentally challenged twit who started this thread.

Adios.

[Sausage]

Originally posted by Bansheelinks

Good point, Ironhorse. The idiot who started this thread is laughable. This is easily the best trilogy ever made and ROTK is one of the best movies of all time.........there is so much in the series it really boggles the mind.......there will always be mental midgets like this thread starter around to nitpick. Tolkien's works were about the human condition, not the racial condition.

Its why people will keep reading the books for several hundreds more years, and why LOTR series of books were voted the books of the century in Britain..........people could choose from any 20th century titles they wanted, and LOTR alone garnered over 40% of the vote in TOTALITY. That is amazing. People will read Tolkien for many more years and in five minutes, we will forget about the mentally challenged twit who started this thread.

Adios.

Well said !

However, unfortunately we are getting more and more narrow minded leftie wierdo's looking for a problem or a reason to cry 'racial injustice' and they are getting louder.

If idiots like this get more vocal, movies like LOTR will be banned in 10 years time.

[SomeCreep]

hmm, there werent any black people in that film. I guess back then, black people didnt exist yet.