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Xplicit 02-24-2004 02:35 PM
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Dirty F 02-24-2004 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Socks
"Oh wait, i bet you are one of those "responsible" gun owners."

Are you a responsible knife owner? Or could a child move a chair, open a drawer, grab a knife and maim themselves?

Are you a responsible pill owner? Or could a child climb on the toilet, then onto the counter, then open the cabinet?

Are you a responsible tree owner? Kids like to climb trees. Trees are very dangerous to small children.
Listen egghead, did you just read my previous reply. Guess not, go read it now.

iroc409 02-24-2004 02:37 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by sperbonzo
America is notorious for its culture of gun violence. Guns sometimes do cause terrible harm, and many kids are killed every year in gun accidents. But public service announcements and news stories make it seem as if the accidents kill thousands of kids every year.

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, however, fewer than 100 kids 15 and under are killed in gun accidents every year. Of course that's horrible, and I understand why demonstrators say we need more gun control.

But guess what? The Centers for Disease Control recently completed a review of studies of various types of gun control: background checks, waiting periods, bans on certain guns and ammunition. It could not document that these rules have reduced violent crime.

In the meantime, swimming pools kill twice as many children, and household chemicals kill four times as many.

The government wants to say things like the Brady Gun Control Law are making a difference, but they aren't. Maximum security felons interviewed in New Jersey scoffed at measures like the Brady law. They said they'll have no trouble getting guns if they want them.

A Justice Department study confirmed what the prisoners said. But get this: the felons say that the thing they fear the most is not the police, not time in prison, but, you, another American who might be armed.

It's a reason many states are passing gun un-control. They're allowing citizens to carry guns with them; it's called concealed carry or right to carry. Some women say they're comforted by these laws.

Many people are horrified at the idea of concealed carry laws, and predict mayhem if all states adopt these laws.
But surprise, 36 states already have concealed carry laws, and not one reported an upsurge in gun crime.

And meanwhile 2.5 MILLION crimes are averted every year in the US by law-abiding gun owners?.85% the mere presence of a firearm stopped the criminal?.without it having to be fired.

did you sign the online petition supporting the sunset of the AWB?

Head 02-24-2004 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Battuss


Gunshot wounds inpact severely on the criminal justice as well as health care systems. Some basic statistics are important in understanding the magnitude and severity of the social and economic burden to the U.S.

In the U.S. for 1998, there were 30,708 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 17,424; Homicide 12,102; Accident 866; Undetermined 316. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, but has since declined steadily.(CDC, 2001) However, firearms injuries remain the second leading cause of injury-related death in the U.S., particularly among youth (Cherry et al, 1998).

The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improper use of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)

The rates of firearms deaths in the U.S. vary significantly by race and sex. The national average is 11.3 deaths per 100,000 population. The highest rate is 41.6/100,000 for African-American males, more than double the rate of 16.2/100,000 for white males. For females in the U.S., the rate is 3.3/100,000. (CDC, 2000) In contrast, death rates from firearms for western European nations range from 0.1 to 0.5/100,000.

Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000) for Young Males in Selected Countries - 1993
http://medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/jpeg2/FOR112.gif

Firearms Deaths by Mode of Death for Children <15 Years of Age
Top 10 Countries - Rate per 100,000
Now lets see the difference between countries where they are legal (US) and the countries where its illegal (basically the rest of the countries shown here)
http://medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/jpeg2/FOR114.gif


Oh wait, i bet you are one of those "responsible" gun owners.
read this carefully before you make up your mind!

TheJimmy 02-24-2004 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Battuss


In every similar thread people come up with excuses like this. Knives can kill you, water can kill you, cars can kill you. Sure they can but they arent made to kill you. Guns are. The examples people give are part of our society. So is dieing. Thats life. Its natural. Guns arent.

human nature is natural...

the need for protection is real...

it is sad that people die, and I agree there are a lot of NUTS with guns, but you know what, there are a lot of people I wish wouldn't BREED, or drive cars, or waste the oxygen that you and I share...


but that's not reality....reality is that there are sick fucks in the world and there is a need for protection...


if we could get rid of all armies, and guns, and war, and violence, I'd TOTALLY be with you on being anti-gun....


but until we develop a pill to control human NATURE....it's not gonna happen :/





PS: in a country that doesn't have a large gun violence issue, sure, there is probably not a great need to be armed....however on this side of the pond that doesn't hold true and it's kinda late to reverse it now...

roybucks 02-24-2004 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by erehwon


Heh, a shotgun is ideal for protecting the home, only a crazy person will stick around after hearing a round racked into the chamber. If they stay, there will be one half of a bad guy here, and another half just a little downrange... :1orglaugh
word. i think hunter s. thompson wrote that in his book on home defence.. only alternately loaded with slug and shot.

sperbonzo 02-24-2004 02:52 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by iroc409



did you sign the online petition supporting the sunset of the AWB?
I'd like to.....where do I find it?

iroc409 02-24-2004 03:01 PM
it's not really the best wordage, but i doubt a lawyer wrote it. still, it might get the point across. imho, the awb is almost useless, mostly damaging lawful gun owners.

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?AWB

smack 02-24-2004 03:02 PM
that's a nice fuckig piece!!!!!!!

DTK 02-24-2004 03:06 PM
Americans aren't more violent than other people.....


We're just better shots :tongue:

iroc409 02-24-2004 03:08 PM
stand up for your rights.

Quote:

In October 2002, sniper shootings terrorized the citizens of Washington D.C., Maryland and Virginia. The gun that was used in the attacks, the Bushmaster XM15, is a perfect example of a post-ban assault weapon made specifically to evade the 1994 law. This horrific incident exemplifies why the Assault Weapons Ban needs to be reauthorized and strengthened. The current ban is set to expire on September 13, 2004 unless Congress and the President act to pass new legislation.
do you honestly think that these crimes happened merely because of a bushmaster xm15?

NO, plain and simple. they would have found another means of such. a bolt-action sniper/hunter would have been just as dangerous.

and if you read about what anti-gun folks want to do to replace the awb, it's much more stringent and crazy than the previous version, including lowering the amount of rounds allowable in an auto shotgun, and making things like a ruger mini-14 and a completely stock sks classified as "assault rifles" (i believe the SKS is on the atf's 'curio & relic' list, and is hardly an assault rifle).

if you classify an sks as an assault rifle (in its original form), you also have to add the m1 carbine, m1 garand, and any semiautomatic hunting rifle of any sort on the market, as assault rifles, regardless of the historical value or intended use.

Socks 02-24-2004 03:30 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Battuss


Listen egghead, did you just read my previous reply. Guess not, go read it now.
Dude, do you usually stop writing half-way through your post to read the one-liners posted after you start writing?

And do you really think that once I read the post by Battuss I would magically change my views, your highness?

Dirty F 02-24-2004 03:47 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Socks


Dude, do you usually stop writing half-way through your post to read the one-liners posted after you start writing?

And do you really think that once I read the post by Battuss I would magically change my views, your highness?
On your knees bitch.

Socks 02-24-2004 03:48 PM
Do you say that to all the men you meet?

jas1552 02-24-2004 03:53 PM
Why the hell would anyone give a shit (let alone get so angry) when someone they don't know and who lives in another country gets a gun? Must be some kind of brainwashing because it sure isn't rational.

abyss_al 02-24-2004 03:56 PM
good luck finding that gun in .50 cal
make sure the state you live in allows it

pussyluver 02-24-2004 03:59 PM
Buttus, please report the stats for auto related accidents etc.

Some obvious thoughts. Would no gun equal no suicide? I doubt it. Would we have more knife related crime without guns? For sure. Could go on, but why? It wouldn't change your mind.

Point one is the bad guys will always have guns. Point two, you're not taking my right to own one away.

Rictor 02-24-2004 04:37 PM
I was really pissed off last night...I went to buy a gun and they told me I had to wait! BUT I'M ANGRY NOW!! Now I'm twice as pissed. If I had my gun, they wouldn't treat me like this.

abyss_al 02-24-2004 04:44 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Battuss


Gunshot wounds inpact severely on the criminal justice as well as health care systems. Some basic statistics are important in understanding the magnitude and severity of the social and economic burden to the U.S.

In the U.S. for 1998, there were 30,708 deaths from firearms, distributed as follows by mode of death: Suicide 17,424; Homicide 12,102; Accident 866; Undetermined 316. This makes firearms injuries one of the top ten causes of death in the U.S. The number of firearms-related injuries in the U.S., both fatal and non-fatal, increased through 1993, but has since declined steadily.(CDC, 2001) However, firearms injuries remain the second leading cause of injury-related death in the U.S., particularly among youth (Cherry et al, 1998).

The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improper use of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)

The rates of firearms deaths in the U.S. vary significantly by race and sex. The national average is 11.3 deaths per 100,000 population. The highest rate is 41.6/100,000 for African-American males, more than double the rate of 16.2/100,000 for white males. For females in the U.S., the rate is 3.3/100,000. (CDC, 2000) In contrast, death rates from firearms for western European nations range from 0.1 to 0.5/100,000.

Firearms Death Rate (per 100,000) for Young Males in Selected Countries - 1993
http://medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/jpeg2/FOR112.gif

Firearms Deaths by Mode of Death for Children <15 Years of Age
Top 10 Countries - Rate per 100,000
Now lets see the difference between countries where they are legal (US) and the countries where its illegal (basically the rest of the countries shown here)
http://medlib.med.utah.edu/WebPath/jpeg2/FOR114.gif


Oh wait, i bet you are one of those "responsible" gun owners.
Looks like someone used the wand tool in Photoshop to get rid of the white background

DVTimes 02-24-2004 04:45 PM
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