Can good graphics work be successfully outsourced overseas? - GoFuckYourself.com

bluff · 02-22-2004, 11:31 PM

I've seen several outsourced sites and most are mediocre at best. Will it ever reach a point where paying $100 for a design that would normally cost $3000 in the US is a reality?

Jarmusch · 02-22-2004, 11:38 PM

You want design work that would cost $3K in the US done for $100? Man, you must be the biggest cheapskate ever.

bluff · 02-22-2004, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jarmusch
You want design work that would cost $3K in the US done for $100? Man, you must be the biggest cheapskate ever.

It's not me, bro. It's the MARKET.

shima · 02-23-2004, 12:40 AM

No it will not.
I don't know what country in the world might have such a cheap internet connection, food, and utilities. Maybe somewhere in central Africa there are countries that match the criteria, but I seriously doubt you can find any webdesigners there.

xxxoutsourcing · 02-23-2004, 12:45 AM

We don't outsource that cheap.....

You have to use outsourcing to your advantage, which the smart boys do!

It's the wankers that don't get it..... AIIII come on!

MadCap · 02-23-2004, 12:45 AM

outsorced designs suck god for templates and maybe banners

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-23-2004, 12:46 AM

Ya want innovation? Buy American.

Ya want clones Outsource.

Doctor Dre · 02-23-2004, 12:47 AM

Fuck all that outsource shit . Keep the money in the country.

The Truth Hurts · 02-23-2004, 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
Ya want innovation? Buy American.

Ya want clones Outsource.

7/8ths of the american shit is clones.
lol.

BRISK · 02-23-2004, 12:56 AM

My outsourced employee made me 24 of some of the best banners I've ever seen, and I didn't even hire him for graphics, I hired him for just general webmaster stuff. One day I didn't have any work for him to do and he asked what else I needed done and I asked if he could make banners, he said yes and I sent him the photos to make into banners. I was surprised how good they were when I got them back from him.

Total banners produced that day = 24

Cost of producing the banners = $32

Cost per banner = $1.33

MetaMan · 02-23-2004, 12:57 AM

lol every single Design site that isnt run by the "designer" is russians doing your design work.

Ironhorse · 02-23-2004, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by BRISK
Total banners produced that day = 24

Cost of producing the banners = $32

Cost per banner = $1.33

Amount of money going back to support your genius economy = $0

BRISK · 02-23-2004, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by Ironhorse

Amount of money going back to support your genius economy = $0

The amount of time I've spent caring = 0:00

harvey · 02-23-2004, 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
Ya want innovation? Buy American.

Ya want clones Outsource.

Funny cos (according to almost any designer in the world, awards, magazines and galleries) most innovative design comes from Europe and Japan.

On another note: IBM PC were innovative, then came the clones. Today, most PCs are clones, they do exactly the same work (or even better) than an IBM PC, at as low as 1/3 of the price. I've 4 PC, all of them clones. Do they do the work? Absolutely yes. Do I need an IBM? No. Could I buy an IBM? Yes. Will I buy it? not at all

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-23-2004, 01:04 AM

Bla bla bla...

European designers? Hahaha

Japanese designers???

Laughing even harder...

BRISK · 02-23-2004, 01:05 AM

Fact: there are skilled designers everywhere in the world.

You can't judge a countries ability to produce good designers by looking at 5-6 outsourcing sites.

bhutocracy · 02-23-2004, 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by bluff
I've seen several outsourced sites and most are mediocre at best. Will it ever reach a point where paying $100 for a design that would normally cost $3000 in the US is a reality?

no that leaves no room for the outsourcing companies cut!
In general the outsourcing companies just aren't as good. although of course there are always exceptions to the rules and you will find individuals who are very good in places like russia or like wherever that gablu guy is from. I think in general it's best to leave basic stuff to them and do higher end stuff locally.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-23-2004, 01:12 AM

Listen...

Ya guys are retarded.
First of the concept of porn tour came from where? USA.

Guess what..
The tour concept really did not change for a good 6 years, only now they are changing a little bit as the nich amateur markets are gaining ground.

AKA the Scrolling tour concept.

Scrolling tour concept originated in the US as well...

How do I know? I started it. Don't believe me fine. I dont fuckin care really...

Where did the latest tour concept come from? It also came from the US...
I helped innovate that as well.
What that innovation is the people on top of there game know is true. The innovative idea I provided will evolve tours all over...

But point is...
Your following my trails...

BRISK · 02-23-2004, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
Listen...

Ya guys are retarded.
First of the concept of porn tour came from where? USA.

Guess what..
The tour concept really did not change for a good 6 years, only now they are changing a little bit as the nich amateur markets are gaining ground.

AKA the Scrolling tour concept.

Scrolling tour concept originated in the US as well...

How do I know? I started it. Don't believe me fine. I dont fuckin care really...

Where did the latest tour concept come from? It also came from the US...
I helped innovate that as well.
What that innovation is the people on top of there game know is true. The innovative idea I provided will evolve tours all over...

But point is...
Your following my trails...

I don't think anyone is expecting outsourced designers to innovate on existing tour design concepts.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-23-2004, 01:18 AM

Most of you think that color, transpositions and cool looking text does it.

Truth is it matters a fuck not really.
All that can eat shit. It dont matter.
Presentation only goes so far.

Content and interest and money folks thats all there is to it.

harvey · 02-23-2004, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
Listen...

Ya guys are retarded.
First of the concept of porn tour came from where? USA.

Guess what..
The tour concept really did not change for a good 6 years, only now they are changing a little bit as the nich amateur markets are gaining ground.

AKA the Scrolling tour concept.

Scrolling tour concept originated in the US as well...

How do I know? I started it. Don't believe me fine. I dont fuckin care really...

Where did the latest tour concept come from? It also came from the US...
I helped innovate that as well.
What that innovation is the people on top of there game know is true. The innovative idea I provided will evolve tours all over...

But point is...
Your following my trails...

Illicit · 02-23-2004, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bluff

It's not me, bro. It's the MARKET.

In other words, dont hate the playa, hate the game.

sexsup · 02-23-2004, 01:23 AM

If you find a good designer it is possible, but 100$ vs 3000$ I'm not sure the quality will be the same

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-23-2004, 01:26 AM

Dont get me wrong I am not againstout sourcing...

Like I said.

Ya need innovation find an American Designer that understands porn.

Ya need the innovation multiplied and repeated outsource.

It still comes to minds and in my opinion The US has demonstrated the lead in Technology and innovation from day one.

Will it change?
Not for a while but eventually yes. It will have to.

bhutocracy · 02-23-2004, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexsup
If you find a good designer it is possible, but 100$ vs 3000$ I'm not sure the quality will be the same

lol of course not. not to that extent anyways.

BlackHole · 02-23-2004, 01:29 AM

Outsourcing means the end of your lifestyle..

If everyone did it, we would all be out of jobs tomorrow

harvey · 02-23-2004, 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
Dont get me wrong I am not againstout sourcing...

Like I said.

Ya need innovation find an American Designer that understands porn.

Ya need the innovation multiplied and repeated outsource.

It still comes to minds and in my opinion The US has demonstrated the lead in Technology and innovation from day one.

Will it change?
Not for a while but eventually yes. It will have to.

BRISK · 02-23-2004, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
Dont get me wrong I am not againstout sourcing...

Like I said.

Ya need innovation find an American Designer that understands porn.

Ya need the innovation multiplied and repeated outsource.

It still comes to minds and in my opinion The US has demonstrated the lead in Technology and innovation from day one.

Will it change?
Not for a while but eventually yes. It will have to.

What is your opinion of www.dickmansdesign.com ?

He's in Brazil I believe, so he wouldn't qualify according to your statement.

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 02-23-2004, 01:32 AM

Ya know what I tell most people that contact me for design work?

I hear what they want...
If its not somthing I find intrigueing or somthing that sounds like it has some room for innovation or somthing different I tell em outsource it or provide a hand off to other designers.

BRISK · 02-23-2004, 01:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BlackHole
Outsourcing means the end of your lifestyle..

If everyone did it, we would all be out of jobs tomorrow

Outsourcing has greatly improved my lifestyle (and my bank account)

Mr.Fiction · 02-23-2004, 01:38 AM

You can get quality work all over the world. $100? No way.

digifan · 02-23-2004, 01:45 AM

Banners, maybe an hpa

The Truth Hurts · 02-23-2004, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ

Scrolling tour concept originated in the US as well...

How do I know? I started it.

not for nothing, being that we're buddies and all, but I know a couple people that would dispute that claim.

toddler · 02-23-2004, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
Dont get me wrong I am not againstout sourcing...

Like I said.

Ya need innovation find an American Designer that understands porn.

Ya need the innovation multiplied and repeated outsource.

It still comes to minds and in my opinion The US has demonstrated the lead in Technology and innovation from day one.

Will it change?
Not for a while but eventually yes. It will have to.

Day one? which day was that? You're both wrong and insulting to think that americans are the 'lead'. Military spending does not equate genius. Yes there are some damn smart people here, and have been. There have also been damn smart people elsewhere.

Who and where was HTTP the protocol created by? <---thats just one small example.

thekebie · 02-23-2004, 02:29 AM

If by over seas you mean accross the Atlantic and not the pacific, then yes.

bigdog · 02-23-2004, 04:15 AM

Doesn't http://www.envisionext.com/ outsource all their design work?

mammy · 02-23-2004, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigdog
Doesn't http://www.envisionext.com/ outsource all their design work?

work is done by envisionext designers

and what the fucken problem if someone can do better then americans for lower price?

i think it doesn't metter where the people u cooperate with are living

fuck that

just a punk · 02-23-2004, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by shima
No it will not.
I don't know what country in the world might have such a cheap internet connection, food, and utilities. Maybe somewhere in central Africa there are countries that match the criteria, but I seriously doubt you can find any webdesigners there.

Totally agree. But I doubt there is such a country in Africa. Just recently I saw on TV that even a small Afghan shop-keeper earns about $200-$250 a month. But there are no Web designers in Afghanistan for sure. There is no Internet as well

As about the European companies. We (Mature Design) are located in Eastern Europe, and we do lots of Web design for the US customers. However we'll never do something for $100 that would normally cost $3000. Be sure, no one will do such a job even for $1000

just a punk · 02-23-2004, 05:27 AM

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Originally posted by Doctor Dre
Fuck all that outsource shit . Keep the money in the country.

Tell this to the US onanists who buy their membership at foreign porn sites

CyberSan · 02-23-2004, 06:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by AlienQ
Bla bla bla...

European designers? Hahaha

Japanese designers???

Laughing even harder...

How stupid can one guy be?

just a punk · 02-23-2004, 06:36 AM

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Originally posted by CyberSan

How stupid can one guy be?

Some day he'll grow up. Just let him a time

02-22-2004, 11:31 PM	#1
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02-23-2004, 12:46 AM	#7
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02-23-2004, 12:56 AM	#10
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	My outsourced employee made me 24 of some of the best banners I've ever seen, and I didn't even hire him for graphics, I hired him for just general webmaster stuff. One day I didn't have any work for him to do and he asked what else I needed done and I asked if he could make banners, he said yes and I sent him the photos to make into banners. I was surprised how good they were when I got them back from him. Total banners produced that day = 24 Cost of producing the banners = $32 Cost per banner = $1.33 __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

02-23-2004, 01:04 AM	#15
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Bla bla bla... European designers? Hahaha Japanese designers??? Laughing even harder... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-22-2004, 11:38 PM	#2
Jarmusch Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 12,464	You want design work that would cost $3K in the US done for $100? Man, you must be the biggest cheapskate ever.

02-23-2004, 12:40 AM	#4
shima Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Office, as usual Posts: 1,753	No it will not. I don't know what country in the world might have such a cheap internet connection, food, and utilities. Maybe somewhere in central Africa there are countries that match the criteria, but I seriously doubt you can find any webdesigners there.

02-23-2004, 12:45 AM	#6
MadCap Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: 137771650 Minneapolis MN Posts: 2,357	outsorced designs suck god for templates and maybe banners

02-23-2004, 12:57 AM	#11
MetaMan I AM WEB 2.0 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 28,682	lol every single Design site that isnt run by the "designer" is russians doing your design work.

02-23-2004, 01:05 AM	#16
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	Fact: there are skilled designers everywhere in the world. You can't judge a countries ability to produce good designers by looking at 5-6 outsourcing sites. __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

02-23-2004, 01:12 AM	#18
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Listen... Ya guys are retarded. First of the concept of porn tour came from where? USA. Guess what.. The tour concept really did not change for a good 6 years, only now they are changing a little bit as the nich amateur markets are gaining ground. AKA the Scrolling tour concept. Scrolling tour concept originated in the US as well... How do I know? I started it. Don't believe me fine. I dont fuckin care really... Where did the latest tour concept come from? It also came from the US... I helped innovate that as well. What that innovation is the people on top of there game know is true. The innovative idea I provided will evolve tours all over... But point is... Your following my trails... __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-23-2004, 01:18 AM	#20
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Most of you think that color, transpositions and cool looking text does it. Truth is it matters a fuck not really. All that can eat shit. It dont matter. Presentation only goes so far. Content and interest and money folks thats all there is to it. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-23-2004, 01:23 AM	#23
sexsup Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,004	If you find a good designer it is possible, but 100$ vs 3000$ I'm not sure the quality will be the same

02-23-2004, 01:26 AM	#24
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Dont get me wrong I am not againstout sourcing... Like I said. Ya need innovation find an American Designer that understands porn. Ya need the innovation multiplied and repeated outsource. It still comes to minds and in my opinion The US has demonstrated the lead in Technology and innovation from day one. Will it change? Not for a while but eventually yes. It will have to. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

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BlackHole So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ Posts: 8361 Posts: 129	Outsourcing means the end of your lifestyle.. If everyone did it, we would all be out of jobs tomorrow

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AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	Ya know what I tell most people that contact me for design work? I hear what they want... If its not somthing I find intrigueing or somthing that sounds like it has some room for innovation or somthing different I tell em outsource it or provide a hand off to other designers. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

02-23-2004, 01:38 AM	#31
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02-23-2004, 02:29 AM	#35
thekebie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: The Hood of Burquitlam, BC Posts: 1,046	If by over seas you mean accross the Atlantic and not the pacific, then yes.

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bigdog Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,964	Doesn't http://www.envisionext.com/ outsource all their design work?