Why isn't anyone talking about Russia's "War Games?"

[Pornwolf]

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Russia is testing it's nuclear weapons to quote, "Be prepared to defend itself against terrorists." They say they believe nuclear war to be inevitable.

Something is very wrong with that picture.


Unfortunately on the news channels all I am hearing are dumb stories about Martha Stewart, Michael Jackson, and another friggin bible movie.

Why isn't anyone talking about this?

[beemk]

what site is that on? i havent heard anything about it.

[shima]

How come European newspapers never said SHIT about this?
Probably another bull.

[Pornwolf]

Here's a link to several credible US and European news sources.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&lr....xjhfrdy2.html

You would think there would be several pages of results instead of the few listed. It's very stange for news like this to be kept quiet. Actually, that might be the best thing to do to kept the peace. If the Heartland knew of this we would go directly back to having the sentiment we had during the cold war for our Russian friends.

[shima]

Don't worry, Russians won't strike first.
And besides, doesn't US tests their nuclear weapons saying the same lame excuse?

[kenny]

Originally posted by shima
Don't worry, Russians won't strike first.
And besides, doesn't US tests their nuclear weapons saying the same lame excuse?

US hasnt tested in a LONG time.

Last ones tested where H-bombs in the ocean.. I believe

[beemk]

Originally posted by shima
Don't worry, Russians won't strike first.

whew! i was worried for a second. now since you told me i'm 100% relieved.

[kenny]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Click here for the story

Russia is testing it's nuclear weapons to quote, "Be prepared to defend itself against terrorists." They say they believe nuclear war to be inevitable.

Something is very wrong with that picture.


Unfortunately on the news channels all I am hearing are dumb stories about Martha Stewart, Michael Jackson, and another friggin bible movie.

Why isn't anyone talking about this?

Same thing about when they developed that laser missile defense weapon. Nothing on the major news channels. They had plenty of time for Scot Peterson though.

Its because that is what most people (sadly) want to see. And they have to compete and pay bills too

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by shima

And besides, doesn't US tests their nuclear weapons saying the same lame excuse?

Uh, no. Read a few more of the links to see their whole excuse. They are basically saying they are preparing to fight us... in not so many words. It's a very strange and unexpected situation.

[shima]

oh my god! oh my god! what to do?! what to do?????

Name me at least 1. decent reason for Russia to start a fight against US

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by kenny


Same thing about when they developed that laser missile defense weapon. Nothing on the major news channels. They had plenty of time for Scot Peterson though.

Its because that is what most people (sadly) want to see. And they have to compete and pay bills too

I really didn't give a damn about Peterson killing his wife... though Laci was a hottie so it's a loss to us all. I didn't know them and neither did most people so I don't see why we were supposed to care enough to want to hear about it every quarter hour.

What I do care about seems to be the things that aren't getting reported. What the hell is going on!?

[shima]

Stop the histeria. Noone is going to attack ya.
If some drunk ass general said something pretty stupid this isn't a reason to start calling all Russians bad. I thought you guys were so well over the Cold War by now..
From what I learned while I spent in States 1.5 years you guys have a propaganda way worse than in Germany at Hitler's time.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by shima
Name me at least 1. decent reason for Russia to start a fight against US

Hell, I don't know. I'm not running around like chicken little but the whole situation is a bit strange for 2004 don't you think? 1984 yes, but we aren't supposed to be reading stories like this in 2004:

Officially, the Russian military tried to disavow claims that the exercises are aimed at the United States. Initial reports in some Russian media quoted some military officials as saying they would focus on antiterrorist operations.

But a senior Defense Ministry official, speaking on condition of anonymity, jeered at the explanation. "Strategic bombers would be fighting terrorists? That's ridiculous," he said.

The military later revised its account. "The enemy is imaginary," Colonel General Yuri Baluyevsky, the first deputy chief of the General Staff, told reporters recently. "There is no hint whatsoever that the enemy is the United States, or any other country."

But Andrei Frolov, a nuclear specialist at Moscow's PIR Center for Policy Studies, said that maneuvers of such scope could have no other target.

"Who else would the strategic bombers and strategic missiles be launched against?" Frolov said. Large-scale exercises are planned many months in advance, and the current maneuvers seem to reflect a general strengthening of the military since Putin, a former KGB officer, came into power four years ago.

Taken from the Boston Globe's Boston.com

[kenny]

Originally posted by Pornwolf


I really didn't give a damn about Peterson killing his wife... though Laci was a hottie so it's a loss to us all. I didn't know them and neither did most people so I don't see why we were supposed to care enough to want to hear about it every quarter hour.

What I do care about seems to be the things that aren't getting reported. What the hell is going on!?

All their effort goes into following popular cases like MJ and Peterson. If they dont cover ever ground breaking inch, they risk losing ratings to another news network.

I strongly agree with you.. but unfortunately the majority of people only turn on the news to see the same ridiculous BS covered. They love to gossip about simple dramatic stuff like a on going reality soap opera

Ground breaking news! MJ stands on his Jeep

[kenny]

Originally posted by shima
Stop the histeria. Noone is going to attack ya.
If some drunk ass general said something pretty stupid this isn't a reason to start calling all Russians bad. I thought you guys were so well over the Cold War by now..
From what I learned while I spent in States 1.5 years you guys have a propaganda way worse than in Germany at Hitler's time.

I am buying nuclear shelters as I type... CUZ WE ALL GONNA DIE!!!

[Danny Dukes]

PROPAGANDA

[shima]

Pornwolf,

You don't suppose they'd be training to fight against the elephants in south africa. Of corse they are aiming for the US, as it is pretty powerful. Its not a threat at the moment, but who knows when it might become one.
Don't worry I can give you 110% garantee that US has the same plans against Russia. And about 180 countiries. Its the part of Military Defense system in any country.

[Pornwolf]

See, that's the problem... propaganda normally gets covered well in the news. I usually get in at least an hour or two of news daily and I haven't heard a peep about this all day. Does that make this propaganda?

I'm just wondering why no one has made any mention of this in our news?

[shima]

because its a usual thing. Nothing new about it.

[just a punk]

Ha-ha! What's bullshit!!!

[Pornwolf]

Where are you from Shima?

[just a punk]

Originally posted by Danny Dukes
PROPAGANDA

Yep! I consider PROPAGANDA everything that wasn't published HERE All other news sources aren't true

[justfreemovies]

not worried by this one bit
but not surprised


think logicaly

america attacked iraq for supposedly having weapons

im not worried because by the time they make up their minds

we would have done nuked them

imagine that
if we nuke russia

who is going to fuck with us
it will be over

no one will ever doubt us again
thats what we need more fear

there is only one world power now

russia must have a bug up their ass, or feel embarassed or something

they lost the right to call themselves a worthy advasary years ago

just my

[Pornwolf]

I totally agree with justfreemovies. Even though we took a very reckless way about doing it, thanks to Afghanistan and Iraq, no one wants to fuck with us right now and many nations fear us. Is that a good thing, yes and no. We won't know if it was more good than bad for a decade but we definitely mad a positioning statement to the world that made the Russians a bit jumpy.


I am still wondering why this isn't in the news? It seems like the press could have a field day with this subject.

[kenny]

Originally posted by justfreemovies
not worried by this one bit
but not surprised


think logicaly

america attacked iraq for supposedly having weapons

im not worried because by the time they make up their minds

we would have done nuked them

imagine that
if we nuke russia

who is going to fuck with us
it will be over

no one will ever doubt us again
thats what we need more fear

there is only one world power now

russia must have a bug up their ass, or feel embarassed or something

they lost the right to call themselves a worthy advasary years ago

just my

All the other countries in the world would fuck with us

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by kenny


All the other countries in the world would fuck with us

Only if they joined together. Separately they just mutter under their breath something about "those damn Americans" while they make trade concessions and tailor their public policy to our whims. That's the bad part about what we did though, we created a tone of resentment that could come back to bite us on our asses in a major way.

[justfreemovies]

if there is any truth to this that proves they plan to attack us
the cia is already all over it

if they find probable cause
we would most likely launch nukes withing the hour, minimum
or by monday morning max lol

im sure there are alot of major phone calls going down right now
and bush's lil limp wristed ass is prolly hide'n in a bunker surfin some beastiality sites
while us hard working country boys are getting worked up and ready to fight

thats the way shit goes around our country
the east coaster's start the shit
then the good ole boyz gotta go out and solve it

my again

[Pornwolf]

Hahaha, that would be funny. I'm pretty sure everyone knows no one is going to attack anyone but that still doesn't excuse cold war era type nuclear posturing.

[shima]

I'm suprised at you guys. You thought that ~3 mln people Russian army is simply sitting in their khazarmas?
Please tell me that you don't think the same about US boys.

[Pornwolf]

I thought they were standing in bread lines or something. Maybe shaking down business owners for the Russian mob or other shady corrupt things. That is what they do now a days right?

[just a punk]

Don't see any revelation here. Russia has developed and improved its nuclear (and other!) weapon for long-long time without interruption. For now Russia has the most powerful ballistic missiles with separating warheads (I mean the ones called "Satan"). According to scientific predictions, those missiles will be unachievable the US PRO for at least 20 years or so. However these missiles already treated as outdated, and Russian scientists are working strongly on newer ones. These works were never stopped, and they will never be stopped in future until at least one other country has WMD or just a powerful army. Only a full idiot can think that Russia has lost its power. This is so fondly... For now, Russia has enough weapons (both nuclear and non-nuclear) to destroy the ENTRIE WORLD but not just the USA or any other country.

[Pornwolf]

So are you saying Russia has more advanced technology than us? Are you serious? You can't possibly believe that (unless you are from Eastern Yurop).

[justfreemovies]

i think russia is fucking stupid for even saying anything about it
now they dont have a chance

3 million people army dont imply anything other than we would have to drop maybe a few more bombs than we did on hiroshima

hope the russian prez knows what he is getting into

im sure the us more than has technology to overcome their defenses lol

[shima]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
So are you saying Russia has more advanced technology than us? Are you serious? You can't possibly believe that (unless you are from Eastern Yurop).

Yep, I guess if NASA is currently flying with Russian rockets to he orbit explains it.

[just a punk]

Originally posted by justfreemovies
3 million people army dont imply anything other than we would have to drop maybe a few more bombs than we did on hiroshima

Where did you learn history, at the cattle-shed?..

[justfreemovies]

if we re-mobilized the troups we have in afghanistan and iraq still
and pointed just them toward russia

we could prolly already have 1/4 of the battle won

not to mention our special forces and "secret" mach 5+ plains in developement

we could be dropping bombs from nevada to russia in like ten minutes

im sure they weve got some other sneaky shit our government doesnt even want us to know about lol

[shima]

Originally posted by justfreemovies
i think russia is fucking stupid for even saying anything about it
now they dont have a chance

3 million people army dont imply anything other than we would have to drop maybe a few more bombs than we did on hiroshima
lol

ha-fuckin-ha-fuckin-ha.
Very fucking funny. Get serious.

[just a punk]

Originally posted by shima

Yep, I guess if NASA is currently flying with Russian rockets to he orbit explains it.

100% correct! Unfortunately lots of people can't see those evident facts and they used to believe in propaganda

[shima]

Originally posted by justfreemovies
if we re-mobilized the troups we have in afghanistan and iraq still
and pointed just them toward russia

we could prolly already have 1/4 of the battle won

not to mention our special forces and "secret" mach 5+ plains in developement

we could be dropping bombs from nevada to russia in like ten minutes

im sure they weve got some other sneaky shit our government doesnt even want us to know about lol

You know, Hitler had technology, he had troops. Guess what? He sucked.
Napoleon did too.

[shima]

Fighting poor people in Afganistan or Iraq is real thing )
1 moron with an AK47 against Navy Seals, yeeah! What a victory! Fucking Even fight.

[just a punk]

Originally posted by justfreemovies
if we re-mobilized the troups we have in afghanistan and iraq still
and pointed just them toward russia

we could prolly already have 1/4 of the battle won

not to mention our special forces and "secret" mach 5+ plains in developement

we could be dropping bombs from nevada to russia in like ten minutes

im sure they weve got some other sneaky shit our government doesnt even want us to know about lol

How long you think you will stay alive after Russian nuclear strike back? 20-30 minutes... You are so funny man... How old are you?

[Pornwolf]

Shima, how long has your family had a continuous supply of toilet paper? It's a relatively new luxury for you, no?

[just a punk]

Originally posted by shima
Fighting poor people in Afganistan or Iraq is real thing )
1 moron with an AK47 against Navy Seals, yeeah! What a victory! Fucking Even fight.

I still remember the similar "victory" in Vietnam. Hevy-armored arny with super technology against naked guerillas with AK47...

[shima]

Ok lets see now.. Technology...
Ok, whats the best figher in the world? F22? Buahamuahaa, piece of JUNK! Costs $72mln bucks.
Taken down easily by Mig31 (cost $18mln bucks)
Ok, whats next... hmm helicopters? Ok, what do you have to offer against Mi24 Hind? The one that can drill a hole in a solid cement wall 1 meter deep within 10 seconds, simply shooting at it.
Anything against KA50 Cobra? This is the one that can turn over without falling down.
Tanks. Whatcha got? Russians latest technology drives over 110km/h and hit the target at this speed. Any analogs?

[just a punk]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Shima, how long has your family had a continuous supply of toilet paper? It's a relatively new luxury for you, no?

I see this is inaccessible for you even now? Nothing personal man - I love some good humour

[justfreemovies]

im just saying how a feel about the situation
not trying to get an argument going

i think this shit is funny
and i think nothing will happen anyways
but do you think the us actualy stopped making weapons too?
anyone would be a fool to think so

eh you dont have to agree with me or even like what im saying
if you dont like it ignore it and no harm done


but i am proud to say i love my country
but also have to regretably say i hate my countries politicians

lol

i dont care anymore last time i talk in this thread
was a good read though
thanx go out to the initial poster

[shima]

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Shima, how long has your family had a continuous supply of toilet paper? It's a relatively new luxury for you, no?

Haha, for your information, USSR was providing us with Free University education, and Free medicare. Fucking hater

[Pornwolf]

I'm not really going to jump deep into this conversation beacuse I don't pay enough attention to war tech to have fun with you guys but just so you commies know, we even have private citizens that own Migs over here. It's no big deal to us. No matter what you do you can be sure we are at least one step ahead of the world when it comes to tech.

[shima]

What I really mean to say is this:
Both Americans and Russians love their countries.
I lived in both US and Russia, and I can tell that people are all the same everywhere. Its just the politicians that make us look different, sometimes bad. But overall people are all the same.

Fuck it, I'm not going to tell you to Fuck off, no matter what you say about me. If you are one fucker that can't stand others I don't care. I won't blame the whole nation for 1 person.

Peace.

[Pornwolf]

Originally posted by shima

Haha, for your information, USSR was providing us with Free University education, and Free medicare. Fucking hater

Yah, but no toilet paper? Hell, Cuba has that free stuff too. But if you have no toilet paper you are stinkin like a mid-evil civilization. I'm glad you people finally got that taken care of. Bravo!