Should we help out NEWBIES ? - GoFuckYourself.com

bdld · 02-19-2004, 11:00 AM

With the economy here in the US being as bad as it is, and countless amounts of people losing their regular 9-5 jobs, many folks are staying at home and somehow end up becoming "adult industry newbies" trying to make a quick buck..

1. Are the wave of newbies cutting into our profits and must we offer no help at all to them? Do we kick them while they're down to secure our own bottom line?

2. Or do we offer help, have them sign up as affiliates under us, guide them and keep them under your wing having them generate referral revenue for you but being careful never to reveal your secrets to them for fear they may become a direct competitor in the future.

3. Or just be kind and generous and assist them with their every need in the hopes that they may become the next millionaire and will return the favor years later?

DeadFidel · 02-19-2004, 11:33 AM

I just had my first $100 week, so I don't consider myself a newbe any longer. So I say... FUCKEM!!!

Seriously, I think this may be a nice thread. There will be those that help, those that tell you to fuck off, and those that will give you adice just to throw you into a crazy loop.

Also there are other boards that actually give out some helpful info, the differance is that here the info is a lot better, but it takes a lot of reading between the lines to comprehend.

My adice to anyone, newbe or not, is to eat up the big boys transfer cost. Simple as that. (Talk about reading between the lines)

Minte · 02-19-2004, 11:35 AM

I helped a newbie last summer and got fucked over.

If you want to get an education..layout your tuition first..then get schooled

sumphatpimp · 02-19-2004, 11:36 AM

newbiewebmasters.com

DeadFidel · 02-19-2004, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Minte
I helped a newbie last summer and got fucked over.

If you want to get an education..layout your tuition first..then get schooled

Second sentence was a good thought, but how was a newbe able fuck you over? With respect to your GFY born on date, I am curious.

I don't thing there is much of a middle grown in this biz.
So many variables needed to succeed. Besides the book and classroom general knowlegde, (html, flash, design etc.) there is so much unwritten and mislead info such as, traffic, SE's, tricks, and a 100 other etcs that a simple bone here and there will not provide competition that should make you worry.
This is a tough gig not for the weak at heart.
Never mind the balls needed to ask a girl to spread her legs for you.

I had a couple of beers...sorry

Minte · 02-19-2004, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadFidel

Second sentence was a good thought, but how was a newbe able fuck you over? With respect to your GFY born on date, I am curious.

Because litigation is pending,i can't go into details.Other than,a new webmaster took over a paysite that has been online since 1997.Agreements were made between us regarding a percentage of ownership of the site.Those agreements have been violated.

StuartD · 02-19-2004, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bdld
With the economy here in the US being as bad as it is

it is??

I hadn't noticed

$5 submissions · 02-19-2004, 02:14 PM

We can help anyone out, regardless of their experience level. http://www.webmasterlabor.com/rates.html

whether its saving time or outsourcing a specialized task, we can do it to help webmasters take their business to another level.

So... on that point, we're not afraid to "Be their Bitch" as you put it in your poll

Lykos · 02-19-2004, 02:49 PM

Yes if we know how yes...but i am only photographer and don't know to do anything else..

bdld · 02-19-2004, 04:47 PM

i guess if you run an affiliate program more newbies is a good thing... until they open up an affiliate program of their own.

Basic_man · 02-19-2004, 04:48 PM

Don't help! You didn't help me!

LasseKongos · 02-19-2004, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadFidel
I just had my first $100 week, so I don't consider myself a newbe any longer. So I say... FUCKEM!!!

Seriously, I think this may be a nice thread. There will be those that help, those that tell you to fuck off, and those that will give you adice just to throw you into a crazy loop.

Also there are other boards that actually give out some helpful info, the differance is that here the info is a lot better, but it takes a lot of reading between the lines to comprehend.

My adice to anyone, newbe or not, is to eat up the big boys transfer cost. Simple as that. (Talk about reading between the lines)

LOL

$100 week and you are not a newbie? belive me - you are

Ambergirl · 02-19-2004, 04:55 PM

My motto:

Help the newbie if they are willing to do what it takes to succeed.

Not to get all Karma on yer asses, but what comes around goes around...you help some newbie and someone else will come along and help you. To quote Happy Gilmore "what comes around, goes around....all good things" ;)

Seriously, I've been an adult webmaster for 8 years...and yesterday's newbie is today's big boy. So help out where you can without allowing it to take away the time needed for your own shiznit.

And by all means, don't EVER be anyone's bitch!

Dveron · 02-19-2004, 05:02 PM

The basics are all pretty much laid out there now for newbies coming into the biz to find. So many tutorials, articles, free hosting, free content etc from sponsors.

If they can't get going with all that is made available to them and make some money to reinvest there is no hope for them anyway imho.

Doc911 · 02-19-2004, 05:47 PM

I believe a lot of times a newbie will ask stupid questions because they are to lazy to look it up for themselves.

Perhaps this is why they lost that 9-5 and are looking to the adult industry to make a quick buck.

I've tried to help a few but they pretty much all end up the same.

Newbie: how do i find a good sponsor?
Doc911: do a search for adult webmaster resources. It should give you a few websites to browse through.
Newbie: thats no help at all.

I mean I could have told him to search google for "sponsors"

myjah · 02-19-2004, 05:50 PM

everyone needs a little help, but you can't help everyone.

StuartD · 02-19-2004, 05:51 PM

If you fear competition from a newbie, then you probably aren't in any position to be helping one.

NBDesign · 02-19-2004, 05:53 PM

Only the worthy ones.

bdld · 02-19-2004, 07:14 PM

sometimes i just feel like telling them to take photoshop, business, and programming classes at a community college to scare them off..

MrIzzz · 02-19-2004, 07:20 PM

everyone is always a n00b forever. there are only people who know different things better. there is no one person who knows everything. so in all of your years of experience i bet you find out new things every day. what would happen if someone didnt wanna teach you something new. you would go someplace else til you learned it. and maybe you just lost out on a new biz opportunity because you didnt wanna help someone

02-19-2004, 07:30 PM

I had help. I have no problem helping others as long as they are as driven as I am.

Rictor · 02-19-2004, 07:32 PM

When I got into this business, I didn't ask anyone for help. I taught myself html, I don't myself about search engines, I taught myself about traffic generation. Too many people want you to give them all the answers. Fuck em. And fuck the people that give them those answers. There's no work ethic in this business anymore.

axelcat · 02-19-2004, 07:34 PM

Nobody heled me a few years ago when I came into the industry,
But I would help newbies out if they need help

Head · 02-19-2004, 07:35 PM

More webmasters to sell traffic to.

Head · 02-19-2004, 07:36 PM

More webmasters to sell traffic to!

MichaelP · 02-19-2004, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ambergirl
My motto:

Help the newbie if they are willing to do what it takes to succeed.

Not to get all Karma on yer asses, but what comes around goes around...you help some newbie and someone else will come along and help you. To quote Happy Gilmore "what comes around, goes around....all good things" ;)

Seriously, I've been an adult webmaster for 8 years...and yesterday's newbie is today's big boy. So help out where you can without allowing it to take away the time needed for your own shiznit.

And by all means, don't EVER be anyone's bitch!

Well said. I do agree

MichaelP · 02-19-2004, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dveron
The basics are all pretty much laid out there now for newbies coming into the biz to find. So many tutorials, articles, free hosting, free content etc from sponsors.

If they can't get going with all that is made available to them and make some money to reinvest there is no hope for them anyway imho.

Also a good point. I started in this biz in 96, some will remember X-pics (ha memories, 25 cents per click, Newsgroups, etc..)

It seams that everything is easy now, free this, free that ...

BTW, did somebody heard about Mario Carmona latelly ?

But I do agree on one thing, more webmaters, more business, there is so many porn surfer out there, i do believe there is a place for everyone who wants to move traffic...

taboo_gal · 02-19-2004, 08:18 PM

The only thing you stand to lose by helping someone is possibly patience.

Some people are just dense and/or lazy. Otherwise you stand to gain a business partner, good friend or resource.

The Heron · 02-19-2004, 08:20 PM

Uh yea, I like to help the competition everytime I can... NOT. Newbies are bad, just like all you other fuckers! I just tolerate you fags cause you have something to offer maybe.

Doc911 · 02-19-2004, 08:40 PM

I actually appreciated the post a while back about doing the gallerys. He offered 10 dollars for each 25 gallery's. Thats 20-30 dollars an hour for someone to sit at home and "WORK". Even if you tottaly fucked off, you could make 10 bucks an hour.

Thats the kinda help a newbie needs.

If he came into this business thinking he was going to be doing anything else, he needs to go back to McDonalds and beg for his job back.

Thats where we all started even if we didn't work for the man. We got our own content, bought or free from affiliate programs. We made our own gallerys; some for TGP's, some for free sites, more for AVS's. And then we prayed. and if nothing happened we did it again and again.

At least offering them a sweet deal like that teaches them how to do it and "guaranty's" a cash flow.

thehornydevil · 02-19-2004, 09:02 PM

Personally, I'd rather find things out for myself. I expect to have my sites completely up by March 15th, and I think when I get my first check it'll be a lot better than if someone took me by the hand and showed me what to do. I spent the last few months reading up at resource sites, and just now I feel I'm ready to give the biz a serious shot. The most "help" I get is when people post here about sponsors or traffic brokers that scam their customers.

I can't help but laugh when someone posts a thread like "I need movie sponsors!". If you're too lazy to find your own damn sponsor, how are you ever gonna make money with them? And... I think I've hit the line limit for the attention span of the board population, so here's where I stop.

PiMpIn-4-LiFe · 02-19-2004, 09:10 PM

thats cool if a fool dont wanna help me out. That just makes my thrive to learn and grow bigger. But half of the mofo's on here dont know shit anyway. They just tallk a lot of shit and just post stats. The whole key to this biz people is networking. so next time you dont wanna help a noob you might be pushin his sponser program down the road lookin to make a quick buck to feed you in your family.......WORD!!!!!!!!!!

bdld · 02-20-2004, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thehornydevil
Personally, I'd rather find things out for myself. I expect to have my sites completely up by March 15th, and I think when I get my first check it'll be a lot better than if someone took me by the hand and showed me what to do. I spent the last few months reading up at resource sites, and just now I feel I'm ready to give the biz a serious shot. The most "help" I get is when people post here about sponsors or traffic brokers that scam their customers.

that's the right attitude

mule · 02-20-2004, 02:16 AM

I voted for the second option. It's not my exact opinion, but it's the closest.

I've become very wary of helping newbies. It's cost me a lot of wasted time, I have masses of unproductive referrals. Lately my attitude is more to only help people that allready know something, so that we can supplement each other's knowledge...in some areas I'm still very much a newbie myself, in others I consider myself an expert.

Mishi · 02-20-2004, 04:22 AM

Most folks who are willing to do the research are worth helping. It can be overwhelming to know what to read and where to find it. The signal-to-noise ratio is pretty intense and the noise reads a lot like the signal.

That said...there are a lot of newbies who ignore every bit of advice they're given and all but demand to be hand-held every step of the way. They can...well, go fuck themselves.

I know the notorious "bumped threads" aren't well-liked around here - I hate them too - but it's amusing to see some of the folks who now claim to be hardened veterans behaving like, well, newbies.

I've only been at this for less than three years. I consider myself a newbie. A seasoned newbie, but still. I'm far from being above asking for help, and I will remember those who help me, and I will remember those who don't.

Just my

Mishi · 02-20-2004, 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by thehornydevil
I can't help but laugh when someone posts a thread like "I need movie sponsors!". If you're too lazy to find your own damn sponsor, how are you ever gonna make money with them? And... I think I've hit the line limit for the attention span of the board population, so here's where I stop.

That's one way to look at it, but as you gain more experience, you may learn that the people asking these types of questions are the ones who HAVE done the research, and are tired of reading hype, and want their peers' opinions. Not always, but often.

My

added to yours. Now we have 4!

mule · 02-20-2004, 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mishi
My added to yours. Now we have 4!

Here ya go:

If we keep it up, we can sell this thread on eBay

Mishi · 02-20-2004, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mule

Here ya go:
If we keep it up, we can sell this thread on eBay

I think it's a plan!

mule · 02-20-2004, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mishi

I'll see your 4 and raise you 2

graphicsbytia · 02-20-2004, 10:31 AM

Of course you should help newbies.. where would we all be without them? The newbies promote our affiliate programs, they buy content, they do all the work that we used to do when we were new..

Then there's the Kharma thing... my happiness depends on how I affect others, so helping out a newbie is something I do all the time, and it's paid off for me in many ways, I have a network of friends where all I have to do is ask and they'll do just about anything for me..

There is no such thing as an unselfish act, so I won't claim I do it out of the goodness of my heart.. I do it for me.. so I feel good.. and when I feel good, I work good.. it just makes sense to me

wtfent · 02-20-2004, 12:36 PM

Quote:

I just had my first $100 week, so I don't consider myself a newbe any longer. So I say... FUCKEM!!!

$100 week, huh? Dont spend it all in one place.

KaLi · 02-20-2004, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadFidel
I just had my first $100 week, so I don't consider myself a newbe any longer. So I say... FUCKEM!!!

Seriously, I think this may be a nice thread. There will be those that help, those that tell you to fuck off, and those that will give you adice just to throw you into a crazy loop.

Also there are other boards that actually give out some helpful info, the differance is that here the info is a lot better, but it takes a lot of reading between the lines to comprehend.

My adice to anyone, newbe or not, is to eat up the big boys transfer cost. Simple as that. (Talk about reading between the lines)

Are you serious? Damn big ballin now man, you'll be one of the big boys in a matter of days!! Seriously, $100 week? I guess we all gotta start somewhere

Least ur not doing what most n00bs do, and scream for joy when they get a $20 check from ccbill.

KeWLKaT · 02-20-2004, 01:15 PM

i'm a fuckin newbie, i dont even own a profit makin site lol

View Poll Results: Should we help out NEWBIES ?
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be their BITCH	9	12.50%
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02-19-2004, 11:00 AM	#1
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	Should we help out NEWBIES ? With the economy here in the US being as bad as it is, and countless amounts of people losing their regular 9-5 jobs, many folks are staying at home and somehow end up becoming "adult industry newbies" trying to make a quick buck.. 1. Are the wave of newbies cutting into our profits and must we offer no help at all to them? Do we kick them while they're down to secure our own bottom line? 2. Or do we offer help, have them sign up as affiliates under us, guide them and keep them under your wing having them generate referral revenue for you but being careful never to reveal your secrets to them for fear they may become a direct competitor in the future. 3. Or just be kind and generous and assist them with their every need in the hopes that they may become the next millionaire and will return the favor years later?

02-19-2004, 11:35 AM	#3
Minte Babemeister Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Madison Posts: 7,081	I helped a newbie last summer and got fucked over. If you want to get an education..layout your tuition first..then get schooled __________________ You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.

02-19-2004, 02:14 PM	#8
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	We can help anyone out, regardless of their experience level. http://www.webmasterlabor.com/rates.html whether its saving time or outsourcing a specialized task, we can do it to help webmasters take their business to another level. So... on that point, we're not afraid to "Be their Bitch" as you put it in your poll __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

02-19-2004, 02:49 PM	#9
Lykos Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: World Posts: 31,027	Yes if we know how yes...but i am only photographer and don't know to do anything else.. __________________

02-19-2004, 11:33 AM	#2
DeadFidel Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: This was my wife circa 2002 Posts: 6,760	I just had my first $100 week, so I don't consider myself a newbe any longer. So I say... FUCKEM!!! Seriously, I think this may be a nice thread. There will be those that help, those that tell you to fuck off, and those that will give you adice just to throw you into a crazy loop. Also there are other boards that actually give out some helpful info, the differance is that here the info is a lot better, but it takes a lot of reading between the lines to comprehend. My adice to anyone, newbe or not, is to eat up the big boys transfer cost. Simple as that. (Talk about reading between the lines)

02-19-2004, 11:36 AM	#4
sumphatpimp Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,235	newbiewebmasters.com

02-19-2004, 04:47 PM	#10
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	i guess if you run an affiliate program more newbies is a good thing... until they open up an affiliate program of their own.

02-19-2004, 04:48 PM	#11
Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	Don't help! You didn't help me! __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !

02-19-2004, 04:55 PM	#13
Ambergirl Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: East Coast Baby Posts: 1,269	My motto: Help the newbie if they are willing to do what it takes to succeed. Not to get all Karma on yer asses, but what comes around goes around...you help some newbie and someone else will come along and help you. To quote Happy Gilmore "what comes around, goes around....all good things" ;) Seriously, I've been an adult webmaster for 8 years...and yesterday's newbie is today's big boy. So help out where you can without allowing it to take away the time needed for your own shiznit. And by all means, don't EVER be anyone's bitch!

02-19-2004, 05:02 PM	#14
Dveron Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver Posts: 2,794	The basics are all pretty much laid out there now for newbies coming into the biz to find. So many tutorials, articles, free hosting, free content etc from sponsors. If they can't get going with all that is made available to them and make some money to reinvest there is no hope for them anyway imho. __________________ Adult Comics Club - Updated Bi-Daily. 60% Recurring Payouts. Exclusive Comic Content.

02-19-2004, 05:47 PM	#15
Doc911 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If i was up your ass you'd know Posts: 3,695	I believe a lot of times a newbie will ask stupid questions because they are to lazy to look it up for themselves. Perhaps this is why they lost that 9-5 and are looking to the adult industry to make a quick buck. I've tried to help a few but they pretty much all end up the same. Newbie: how do i find a good sponsor? Doc911: do a search for adult webmaster resources. It should give you a few websites to browse through. Newbie: thats no help at all. I mean I could have told him to search google for "sponsors" __________________ For PHP/MySQL scripts ICQ 161480555 or email [email protected]

02-19-2004, 05:50 PM	#16
myjah Back in the harbor Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 11,482	everyone needs a little help, but you can't help everyone. __________________ VP of Marketing AVN Media Network Skype: AVNJill [email protected]

02-19-2004, 05:51 PM	#17
StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	If you fear competition from a newbie, then you probably aren't in any position to be helping one. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter

02-19-2004, 05:53 PM	#18
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02-19-2004, 07:14 PM	#19
bdld $100,000 Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 11,452	sometimes i just feel like telling them to take photoshop, business, and programming classes at a community college to scare them off..

02-19-2004, 07:20 PM	#20
MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	everyone is always a n00b forever. there are only people who know different things better. there is no one person who knows everything. so in all of your years of experience i bet you find out new things every day. what would happen if someone didnt wanna teach you something new. you would go someplace else til you learned it. and maybe you just lost out on a new biz opportunity because you didnt wanna help someone __________________ WHO WANTS TO PLAY GRAB-ASS?

02-19-2004, 07:30 PM	#21
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	I had help. I have no problem helping others as long as they are as driven as I am.

02-19-2004, 07:32 PM	#22
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	When I got into this business, I didn't ask anyone for help. I taught myself html, I don't myself about search engines, I taught myself about traffic generation. Too many people want you to give them all the answers. Fuck em. And fuck the people that give them those answers. There's no work ethic in this business anymore.

02-19-2004, 07:34 PM	#23
axelcat Adult Locals Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 25,450	Nobody heled me a few years ago when I came into the industry, But I would help newbies out if they need help

02-19-2004, 07:35 PM	#24
Head Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Starship Enterprise Posts: 8,278	More webmasters to sell traffic to. __________________

02-19-2004, 07:36 PM	#25
Head Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Starship Enterprise Posts: 8,278	More webmasters to sell traffic to! __________________

02-19-2004, 08:18 PM	#28
taboo_gal Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 151	The only thing you stand to lose by helping someone is possibly patience. Some people are just dense and/or lazy. Otherwise you stand to gain a business partner, good friend or resource. __________________

02-19-2004, 08:20 PM	#29
The Heron Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 4,488	Uh yea, I like to help the competition everytime I can... NOT. Newbies are bad, just like all you other fuckers! I just tolerate you fags cause you have something to offer maybe.

02-19-2004, 08:40 PM	#30
Doc911 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: If i was up your ass you'd know Posts: 3,695	I actually appreciated the post a while back about doing the gallerys. He offered 10 dollars for each 25 gallery's. Thats 20-30 dollars an hour for someone to sit at home and "WORK". Even if you tottaly fucked off, you could make 10 bucks an hour. Thats the kinda help a newbie needs. If he came into this business thinking he was going to be doing anything else, he needs to go back to McDonalds and beg for his job back. Thats where we all started even if we didn't work for the man. We got our own content, bought or free from affiliate programs. We made our own gallerys; some for TGP's, some for free sites, more for AVS's. And then we prayed. and if nothing happened we did it again and again. At least offering them a sweet deal like that teaches them how to do it and "guaranty's" a cash flow. __________________ For PHP/MySQL scripts ICQ 161480555 or email [email protected]

02-19-2004, 09:02 PM	#31
thehornydevil Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 165	Personally, I'd rather find things out for myself. I expect to have my sites completely up by March 15th, and I think when I get my first check it'll be a lot better than if someone took me by the hand and showed me what to do. I spent the last few months reading up at resource sites, and just now I feel I'm ready to give the biz a serious shot. The most "help" I get is when people post here about sponsors or traffic brokers that scam their customers. I can't help but laugh when someone posts a thread like "I need movie sponsors!". If you're too lazy to find your own damn sponsor, how are you ever gonna make money with them? And... I think I've hit the line limit for the attention span of the board population, so here's where I stop.

02-19-2004, 09:10 PM	#32
PiMpIn-4-LiFe Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 157	thats cool if a fool dont wanna help me out. That just makes my thrive to learn and grow bigger. But half of the mofo's on here dont know shit anyway. They just tallk a lot of shit and just post stats. The whole key to this biz people is networking. so next time you dont wanna help a noob you might be pushin his sponser program down the road lookin to make a quick buck to feed you in your family.......WORD!!!!!!!!!!

02-20-2004, 02:16 AM	#34
mule Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: hamsterdam Posts: 6,085	I voted for the second option. It's not my exact opinion, but it's the closest. I've become very wary of helping newbies. It's cost me a lot of wasted time, I have masses of unproductive referrals. Lately my attitude is more to only help people that allready know something, so that we can supplement each other's knowledge...in some areas I'm still very much a newbie myself, in others I consider myself an expert. __________________ Converting like a mofo

02-20-2004, 04:22 AM	#35
Mishi Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,054	Most folks who are willing to do the research are worth helping. It can be overwhelming to know what to read and where to find it. The signal-to-noise ratio is pretty intense and the noise reads a lot like the signal. That said...there are a lot of newbies who ignore every bit of advice they're given and all but demand to be hand-held every step of the way. They can...well, go fuck themselves. I know the notorious "bumped threads" aren't well-liked around here - I hate them too - but it's amusing to see some of the folks who now claim to be hardened veterans behaving like, well, newbies. I've only been at this for less than three years. I consider myself a newbie. A seasoned newbie, but still. I'm far from being above asking for help, and I will remember those who help me, and I will remember those who don't. Just my __________________ Looking for PHP/MySQL solutions? Check out Cyboriginal - custom scripts, installation services and more.

02-20-2004, 10:31 AM	#40
graphicsbytia Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 2,618	Of course you should help newbies.. where would we all be without them? The newbies promote our affiliate programs, they buy content, they do all the work that we used to do when we were new.. Then there's the Kharma thing... my happiness depends on how I affect others, so helping out a newbie is something I do all the time, and it's paid off for me in many ways, I have a network of friends where all I have to do is ask and they'll do just about anything for me.. There is no such thing as an unselfish act, so I won't claim I do it out of the goodness of my heart.. I do it for me.. so I feel good.. and when I feel good, I work good.. it just makes sense to me

02-20-2004, 01:15 PM	#43
KeWLKaT Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: F-Town Posts: 130	i'm a fuckin newbie, i dont even own a profit makin site lol __________________