why the hell are bayonet lugs illegal??

[iroc409]

seriously, wtf? i know some places you can't have a bayonet lug _AT ALL_, here i think it's only legal if you have a pre-ban weapon.

but seriously, you already have a gun, the knife isn't the part that does the shooting. aside from that, most bayonets aren't really that sharp.

i mean, i can mostly understand why someone would whine about a collapsable stock (although when you have a fairly full-sized rifle attached, it's still somewhat difficult to conceal)... but really, a bayonet lug?

i can even understand the dislike of a flash hider/muzzle brake more than a freaking bayonet lug...

[twistyneck]

True patriots ignore laws like that.

[gornyhuy]

Its kind of fucked up that its ok for law enforcement to have bayonet lugs.... wtf? If the cops need to bayonet someone something really fucked up is going down.

[Stephen]

Nothing like being up close and personal

[iroc409]

meh, i guess it has to do with the atf's definition of an assault rifle. rifles not intended for assault-like purposes don't generally come with such attachments.

but still, having to cut off a piece of a "curio/relic" item just to make it legal would suck ass. but still, it's not like a person is going to go on a bayonet rampage, lol.

good reason for not living in nyc or cali

[AaronM]

[iroc409]

Originally posted by gornyhuy
Its kind of fucked up that its ok for law enforcement to have bayonet lugs.... wtf? If the cops need to bayonet someone something really fucked up is going down.

i could be mistaken, but i think you can get light attachments for ar-style rifles for bayonets.

not that i could really think of a good use for a bayonet on that type of rifle, especially for law enforcement. and, since most light mounts aren't attached to the lug, i guess i can't justify them for law enforcement either.


but i don't think i've heard of a crime that involved a criminal going psycho with a bayonet

[PenisFace]

It's funny, bayonet lugs are illegal, but the ak47 you want to attach the bayonet to is more than acceptable.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by PenisFace
It's funny, bayonet lugs are illegal, but the ak47 you want to attach the bayonet to is more than acceptable.

Actually....AK47's are on the ban list.

Try again.

[BV]

wont let them in with flash supresors or pistol grips either

[SYNIKAL]

Originally posted by AaronM

Nice High Gravity Beer

[iroc409]

Originally posted by AaronM


Actually....AK47's are on the ban list.

Try again.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the semiauto ak's are only banned if they meet the requirements of the atf's definition of an assault rifle. i know i can walk into the local store and buy my flavor of ak, but the new ones meet the '94 gun laws' requirements, much like the ar rifles/carbines.

also, in many areas, you can still own the pre-ban versions with the extra goodies, but i think that's more up to state law.

i guess in some states you can't have any of the extra goodies, wether the atf says so or no (items like bayonet lugs, muzzle brakes and grenade launchers).

[gornyhuy]

Some friends of mine had a couple of belt-fed water-cooled tripod mounted machine guns (can't remember the designation) totally legit with papers and all that stuff in Virginia... we used to shoot targets out in this guys property about 5 years ago. They also had pretty much every machine gun and semiautomatic hand gun that exists...

What is the deal now? Do you think they had to turn those in? How does the ban work in those cases?

They had AKs, M16, M10, M11, they ALMOST bought a mini-gun, but decided they weren't that fucking crazy after all.


gooood times.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by iroc409


correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the semiauto ak's are only banned if they meet the requirements of the atf's definition of an assault rifle. i know i can walk into the local store and buy my flavor of ak, but the new ones meet the '94 gun laws' requirements, much like the ar rifles/carbines.

also, in many areas, you can still own the pre-ban versions with the extra goodies, but i think that's more up to state law.

i guess in some states you can't have any of the extra goodies, wether the atf says so or no (items like bayonet lugs, muzzle brakes and grenade launchers).

Yes, you are right...However..My understanding is that AK47's are banned BUT there are similar weapons such as the Mac 90 which are not banned but are often confused with AK47's.

[AaronM]

Originally posted by gornyhuy
Some friends of mine had a couple of belt-fed water-cooled tripod mounted machine guns (can't remember the designation) totally legit with papers and all that stuff in Virginia... we used to shoot targets out in this guys property about 5 years ago. They also had pretty much every machine gun and semiautomatic hand gun that exists...

What is the deal now? Do you think they had to turn those in? How does the ban work in those cases?

They had AKs, M16, M10, M11, they ALMOST bought a mini-gun, but decided they weren't that fucking crazy after all.


gooood times.

Pre banned shit is grandfathered in for most cases. The Class 3 weapons you are referring to all have special federal requirements to own and the ban would not change anything with those.

[iroc409]

hrm, i know about the mac 90's, but i was in a local store a week ago that were selling what they labeled as ak47's. from what little i've seen around, they're not completely banned (although they may be due to local laws).

at any rate, they may have had some mac 90's, but they had a russian ak and a new ak. the only thing that i thought was odd, the new one was in a strange caliber if i remember right, like 5.54 or 5.56x39, something like that. seemed odd at the time.

the new one of course complies with the assault weapons ban of '94.

i don't really know a ton about ak's, because they haven't really much interested me until lately. what's the deal with like the SAR-1 & 2's? perhaps the standard ak is banned completely, but these are more politically correct versions available to the public?

the new one i believe was of US manufacture, so that would make sense. in '94 i know clinton banned almost all munitions imports from china, so it's probably much more difficult these days to get anything from that neck of the woods.

anyways, not sure i'd spend $600 on a brand new plasticy-cool ak when i could spend an extra $200 on a rock river arms car-15 20" hbar. not sure why, but they switched from bushwacker to rra, said they're more reliable than bw, and they claim as good or better build than colt. who knows. no muzzle brakes like the bushwackers tho :/

edit: on a more interesting note, i guess the awb expires in sept '04?? i highly doubt that it will not be re-newed, but there can always be hope

and i see it sounds like that class 3 firearms manufactured after may 19, 86 cannot be owned by civilians at all,, that's messed up. if you're going to go through all that work to obtain them, and pay their exorbitant prices for the item itself, you should be able to have it, lol.

[Mr Pheer]

I've got an M2 BAYONET... CURRENT ARMY ISSUE

gonna ebay it

[AaronM]

Originally posted by iroc409
hrm, i know about the mac 90's, but i was in a local store a week ago that were selling what they labeled as ak47's. from what little i've seen around, they're not completely banned (although they may be due to local laws).

They can still be bought and sold. The are just not allowing them to be imported anymore.

[iroc409]

Originally posted by AaronM


They can still be bought and sold. The are just not allowing them to be imported anymore.

that would make perfect sense, and the new ones being domestic are legal, of course

my guess is it was 5.45x39, i think that's what the new one was.

[radical]

I remember my bayonet used to come flying off when we where live firing with the SA 80!! fucking useless but funny to see your bayonet flying down a range

[iroc409]

Originally posted by radical
I remember my bayonet used to come flying off when we where live firing with the SA 80!! fucking useless but funny to see your bayonet flying down a range

lol... what?

i don't have that problem

[erehwon]

The 1994 Assault Weapons Ban prohibits manufacturers from producing firearms with more than one of the following assault weapon features:

Rifles

Folding/telescoping stock
Protruding pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Threaded muzzle or flash suppressor
Grenade launcher

Pistols

Magazine outside grip
Threaded muzzle
Barrel shroud
Unloaded weight of 50 ounces or more
Semi-automatic version of a fully automatic weapon

Shotguns

Folding/telescoping stock
Protruding pistol grip
Detachable magazine capacity
Fixed magazine capacity greater than 5 rounds

Assault weapons and ammunition clips holding more than 10 rounds produced prior to September 13, 1994, were "grandfathered" in under the law and can still be possessed and sold.

The bill bans, by name, the manufacture of 19 different weapons:

Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
Colt AR-15;
Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
SWD M-10; M-11; M-11/9, and M-12;
Steyr AUG;
INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, AND TEC-22;
revolving cylinder shotguns such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12.

As far as fully automatic or Class III weapons go, You have to live in a state where Class III weapons are legal.

* You have to be a US citizen.
* At least 21 yoa.
* Never been convicted of a Felony or Domestic Violence.
* Never been disshonarbly discharged from the military.
* Never been adjuticated mentally defective.

This is just the cliff notes version, many of your questions can be answered in James Bardwell's FAQ on NFA laws at:

http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.e...st/nfa_faq.txt

I haven't bought any yet, but they are excellent longterm investments, one of the best gun sales sites is Guns America at:
http://www.gunsamerica.com

...and the next time you are in Las Vegas, make it a point to stop in at American Shooters if you want to fire just about any Class III subgun you'd ever want to. http://www.AmericanShooters.com

Counter-Strike players will be in heaven there, except there is wasn't a FN P-90 the last time I was there.

[BrettJ]

Originally posted by erehwon

Grenade launcher

Where do they get this shit.

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Some Overused Cliches

"You can get a lot further with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone."
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"Ted Kennedy's car's killed more people than my gun."
Anon.

"Keep honking--I'm reloading!"
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"Gun control means using both hands."

[Ash@phpFX]

you americans and your fucking gun obsession. no wonder there are so many bloosy shootings over there

[- Jesus Christ -]

Originally posted by asher
you americans and your fucking gun obsession. no wonder there are so many bloosy shootings over there

Seriously.... asshole... shut your face before I shoot you....



(YOU)

[iroc409]

i'm not very inclined to get into a gun control debate, or why us americans are so horribly, incorrigibly evil because we enjoy owning firearms (for defense, hunting and sport).

anyways, most of those weapons are available in two different forms.

you can still buy ak's and ar's. either you buy a pre-ban (which are generally quite expensive), which has been "grandfathered". you do have to be somewhat careful with those though, because the burden of proof is generally on you, not law enforcement to prove that it's a pre-ban.

or, you can buy a newer (domestic) model that isn't covered in the definition of an assault rifle.

off the top of my head, the def of an assault rifle is one that is semiautomatic, with a detachable magazine (or i believe also a box mag with more than 10 round capacity). it also has to have 2 of the following: a collapsable stock, flash suppressor (different yet very similar to a muzzle brake), bayonet lug, or grenade launcher.

and before everyone goes psycho over grenade launchers, they're not exactly as easy to use as to go down to the local gun store and buy a bunch of grenade rounds for.

the US grenade launchers are only legal as flare launchers, 37mm, which is different from the military 40mm grenade round.

older style military rifles used a totally different type of grenade launcher, which isn't readily fired (it's very different than say an m203, they use the old muzzle-mounted style). hard to explain, but look at a yugo m59/66, you'll see what i'm talking about. doesn't look much like a grenade launcher. although i hear you can launch golf balls off it pretty damn well...

also, you can't have a rifle (or technically termed a carbine) with a barrel shorter than 16".

[Why]

we get laws like this because we have failed to excercise our rights to vote and carry arms. and raised too many children to be scared of everything and everyone. and allowed the media to scare everyone into thinking some jackass with a gun is behind every corner.

this is what happens when paranoid delusional people get elected into government offices.

and what is it with every dipshit calling any gun that is black and has wood on it and remotely looks dangerous an 'AK-47'

but the question of the day is still.... when will we realize that guns DONT kill people, stupid mother fuckers with GUNS kill people.

outlawing them wont solve the problem.

[Why]

furthermore, any red blooded patriotic american would have to have his gun removed from his cold dead hand before he gave up his gun rights.

[iroc409]

Originally posted by Why
we get laws like this because we have failed to excercise our rights to vote and carry arms. and raised too many children to be scared of everything and everyone. and allowed the media to scare everyone into thinking some jackass with a gun is behind every corner.

this is what happens when paranoid delusional people get elected into government offices.

and what is it with every dipshit calling any gun that is black and has wood on it and remotely looks dangerous an 'AK-47'

but the question of the day is still.... when will we realize that guns DONT kill people, stupid mother fuckers with GUNS kill people.

outlawing them wont solve the problem.

we best remember that, because if the democrats get back in office next time around, that's probably going to be on the agenda again... getting rid of more guns.

[Why]

Originally posted by iroc409





we best remember that, because if the democrats get back in office next time around, that's probably going to be on the agenda again... getting rid of more guns.

quite the rock and a hard place. cause if bush stays in there we can all kiss our asses goodbye, and some will be kissing the big mofo next to them.

[iroc409]

Originally posted by Why
quite the rock and a hard place. cause if bush stays in there we can all kiss our asses goodbye, and some will be kissing the big mofo next to them.

quite, indeed. perhaps tho with the awb expiring in a few months, the gun control craze can blow over in time.

and if they do get into office, maybe they'll be too busy with other things to worry about it, but i doubt it. they always find time for gun control

damned if you do, damned if you don't...

[Rorschach]

Originally posted by BrettJ
"Keep honking--I'm reloading!"
seen on bumper sticker