visa steps up with another rule about websites, but this is for the better - GoFuckYourself.com

brand0n · 02-14-2004, 11:26 AM

got this from Epoch

New IPSP Rule From Visa Effective Immediately
Today, Epoch learned of a new rule being enforced at all IPSP's. This time the rule
has nothing to do with chargeback ratios or fines and is simply a procedural change.
Visa has instituted a new procedure for adding new sites to client portfolios.

Effective immediately, IPSP's are required to submit all new domains requesting
credit card processing to Visa for approval. This new Visa registration process means
it will now be necessary for sites to allow for additional lead time when setting up
marketing for a new site. We expect this process to be fairly expedient and believe
that site approvals should only require two business days for approval.

Nothing is changing regarding the way new sites should be submitted to Epoch for
set-up. The registration submission process is handled by Epoch once you submit
a new site for processing. The only difference is that we can no longer promise same
day set up for new URL's.

a step in the right direction with this one.

Murphy_Dog · 02-14-2004, 11:28 AM

Maximillion · 02-14-2004, 11:28 AM

visa.... what a headache

BV · 02-14-2004, 11:32 AM

I don't think punishing honest webmasters with bullshit rules in order to police dishonest webmasters is considered taking a step in the right direction.

sexsup · 02-14-2004, 11:34 AM

Slowly Visa is replacing IPSP's

brand0n · 02-14-2004, 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by BV
I don't think punishing honest webmasters with bullshit rules in order to police dishonest webmasters is considered taking a step in the right direction.

this wont bother any honest webmasters what so ever. its going to stop your kiddy shit, your beast shit, rape all that shit that gives us all a bad name.

hershie · 02-14-2004, 11:35 AM

What happens when they start delaying the approval process more and more?

fuelcell · 02-14-2004, 11:36 AM

big FUCKING brother stay out of my business

polish_aristocrat · 02-14-2004, 11:38 AM

So the word "teen" won't be accepted anymore?

brand0n · 02-14-2004, 11:42 AM

im sure teen will be, but not pr3teen ya know?

polish_aristocrat · 02-14-2004, 11:44 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
im sure teen will be

really?

brand0n · 02-14-2004, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

really?

sure why not.. you think it wont be?

hershie · 02-14-2004, 11:45 AM

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Originally posted by brand0n
im sure teen will be

Bold statement.

Michaelious · 02-14-2004, 11:47 AM

Well if it stops dishonesty and 'ilegal' sites then thats good, but if it slows done the whole process then maybe thatwill justcos headaches

Elli · 02-14-2004, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by sexsup
Slowly Visa is replacing IPSP's

I agree. They're using the IPSP as a scapegoat and paper-pusher, but if they (visa) is needed for approval anyway, then what is stopping visa from dropping the ipsp step?

Sig Whore · 02-14-2004, 11:52 AM

While this is a step in the right direction unfortunately it will have little or any effect on the dishonest adult webmaster.

for example say i own the domain www.sexychicks.com all i have to do by this new procedure is to say Epoch this is the domain i am going to use fair enough, wait two days and have processing up and running for your new paysite.

what is to stop me altering the members area of the site once my processing application is completed? absolutely nothing so, i put up a 'fake' tour on the domain for the application process and then as soon as my application is approved i switch out all of the tour pages and members area to a CP site see what i am getting at?

Visa seem to be missing the forest because of all the trees in the way here just my

TheJimmy · 02-14-2004, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by sexsup
Slowly Visa is replacing IPSP's

yupppp

was only a matter of time....

wyldblyss · 02-14-2004, 11:54 AM

My worry would be delays. Two days doesn't sound bad but there are no promises. Visa could end up taking weeks to approve a site.

polish_aristocrat · 02-14-2004, 11:54 AM

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Originally posted by Sig Whore
While this is a step in the right direction unfortunately it will have little or any effect on the dishonest adult webmaster.

for example say i own the domain www.sexychicks.com all i have to do by this new procedure is to say Epoch this is the domain i am going to use fair enough, wait two days and have processing up and running for your new paysite.

what is to stop me altering the members area of the site once my processing application is completed? absolutely nothing so, i put up a 'fake' tour on the domain for the application process and then as soon as my application is approved i switch out all of the tour pages and members area to a CP site see what i am getting at?

Visa seem to be missing the forest because of all the trees in the way here just my

wow, a clever post by SH. You prolly forgot to log out and log in to your old nick before making that post.

StuartD · 02-14-2004, 11:55 AM

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Originally posted by Maximillion
visa.... what a headache

catchy, but I don't think that slogan will catch on.

Rankings · 02-14-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by hershie

Bold statement.

if teen is no good what about young

doober · 02-14-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by sexsup
Slowly Visa is replacing IPSP's

I have observed this aswell, maybe this is where they are heading

Roger · 02-14-2004, 12:07 PM

Let me get this straight. Now Visa has to approve my site? How is that supposed to be good?

sexsup · 02-14-2004, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by doober

I have observed this aswell, maybe this is where they are heading

Basically it is a good choice for them, they will earn more than now, but this means that in some years ccbill, ibill, etc etc will be a remembrance

Mr.Fiction · 02-14-2004, 12:15 PM

Anyone who thinks this is good is an idiot.

If the content is illegal, then Visa or the police have every right to go after the person doing it, but censorship based on arbitrary words will help no one.

Wait until they start going after the "bondage" and "bdsm" scene. We'll see how "good" some of you think it is then.

Sig Whore · 02-14-2004, 12:16 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Wait until they start going after the "bondage" and "bdsm" scene. We'll see how "good" some of you think it is then.

trust me the outcome of the sweet trial whether us webmasters like it or not WILL have an effect on this matter.. mark my words if the sweets are found guilty of obscenity charges then all bondage related sites a we currently know them will cease to exist

hershie · 02-14-2004, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
Anyone who thinks this is good is an idiot.

If the content is illegal, then Visa or the police have every right to go after the person doing it, but censorship based on arbitrary words will help no one.

Wait until they start going after the "bondage" and "bdsm" scene. We'll see how "good" some of you think it is then.

How come there was no Press Release by Visa, Epoch... as to what kind of commitment Visa has made to this new process to get your site processing. Have they set budgets and manpower aside to show they will make things run smoothly or just an open ended commitment of two days? If they wanted to, they could delay approval for sites like BDSM or Bondage instead of just refusing, so as to protect themselves from lawsuits or whatever for refusing to process. If they really cared about being fair with the porn industry, they would set a policy to use the Supreme Court's definition of what is illegal in reviewing/approving sites, not their own shifting values on what is acceptable.

Doc911 · 02-14-2004, 12:50 PM

good thing i got my spanking this morning.

but i hear you on the sweet thing that sucks.

brand0n · 02-14-2004, 09:51 PM

xxxdesign-net · 02-14-2004, 09:53 PM

would that apply tp ASV programs... ?

Digipimp · 02-15-2004, 12:56 AM

I don't see how this is a step in the right direction and I can't see how anyone else does either. What qualifies to the people at VISA to say what site is alright and what site is not. They don't do this to anyone but adult businesses and why. Well it's because it's the first step to censorship.

TheDoc · 02-15-2004, 01:27 AM

I think this is to only approve a domain name for processing, not the site/content, that is the processors job.

Tam · 02-16-2004, 10:56 AM

Actually the last 2-3 sites we added at CCBill have had to go thru this review process and we haven't experienced any REAL delays. My newest one I submitted to be done yesterday afternoon and it was accepted and added by the time I got up this morning.

I don't like the extra policing, BUT if this is what it takes to get the SHIT out of this industry and make more room for the good ones, then so be it. The ones of us that run honest sites/programs won't really have anything to worry about. It's a little more of a headache, I agree..... but a small price to pay when you think about it. I'll gladly pay that price.

And all they really did that was anything extra than what they did before, because I called CCBill and asked them......... is they go into your members area and make sure that what you are selling on the outside is what you have on the inside. I had a site I submitted WHILE I was doing the members area of one of my sites to get it all done, and they emailed me and said the members area didn't match the tour as in what I was offering.... so I called them when I got the members area completed and they processed it on the spot. So it isn't too bad!!

Raven · 02-16-2004, 11:12 AM

We just went through the same process with CCBill.....our sites have to be VISA compliant before being accepted for billing.

The environment is not good for words like 'young' 'teen', either used separately or together. I do believe site approval will depend on usage of certain words.

Co-ed may be the better term, since the US got a case of the hysterics.

BV · 02-16-2004, 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by Tam
Actually the last 2-3 sites we added at CCBill have had to go thru this review process and we haven't experienced any REAL delays. My newest one I submitted to be done yesterday afternoon and it was accepted and added by the time I got up this morning.

I don't like the extra policing, BUT if this is what it takes to get the SHIT out of this industry and make more room for the good ones, then so be it. The ones of us that run honest sites/programs won't really have anything to worry about. It's a little more of a headache, I agree..... but a small price to pay when you think about it. I'll gladly pay that price.

And all they really did that was anything extra than what they did before, because I called CCBill and asked them......... is they go into your members area and make sure that what you are selling on the outside is what you have on the inside. I had a site I submitted WHILE I was doing the members area of one of my sites to get it all done, and they emailed me and said the members area didn't match the tour as in what I was offering.... so I called them when I got the members area completed and they processed it on the spot. So it isn't too bad!!

Yep we just went thru the same thing, not too aggravating just another few steps to delay you when your working.

So is this new Visa rule? or is VISA going to inspect it again after it passes CCBill's reviewer?

and exactly how is this going to stop dishonest webmasters from changing stuff afterwards?

Trax · 02-16-2004, 11:40 AM

"but this is for the better"

yes?? why??

HeadPimp · 02-16-2004, 11:42 AM

Someone needs to take a lesson from the rap industry on semantics...

You listen rap songs and they are always talking about gettting fucked or sucked, but they have new slang for it, so the censors can't do shit.

So you can't use teen or young... Just start using a different term till it sticks...

body · 02-16-2004, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by Maximillion
visa.... what a headache

icedemon · 02-16-2004, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sexsup
Slowly Visa is replacing IPSP's

Yep. Started with the $750 startup fee. Visa wants everybody to get their own merchant account and do away with IPSPs.

MasterBlogger · 02-16-2004, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by brand0n
got this from Epoch

New IPSP Rule From Visa Effective Immediately
Today, Epoch learned of a new rule being enforced at all IPSP's. This time the rule
has nothing to do with chargeback ratios or fines and is simply a procedural change.
Visa has instituted a new procedure for adding new sites to client portfolios.

Effective immediately, IPSP's are required to submit all new domains requesting
credit card processing to Visa for approval. This new Visa registration process means
it will now be necessary for sites to allow for additional lead time when setting up
marketing for a new site. We expect this process to be fairly expedient and believe
that site approvals should only require two business days for approval.

Nothing is changing regarding the way new sites should be submitted to Epoch for
set-up. The registration submission process is handled by Epoch once you submit
a new site for processing. The only difference is that we can no longer promise same
day set up for new URL's.

a step in the right direction with this one.

Yep ... and the final step before there will be ...
NO AROUSED GENITALS OR REPRODUCTIVE FLUIDS ON ANY DIRECTLY ACCESSED DOMAIN NAME.

Oh well ... who would have thought?
roflmao

Webby · 02-16-2004, 03:28 PM

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visa steps up with another rule about websites, but this is for the better

A good thing??? I seriously doubt that!!!

There is always a reason for "simple procedural changes" and little doubt it is not to the benefit of any VISA "client".

NetRodent · 02-16-2004, 05:57 PM

How is this new? I know iBill's been doing it for atleast a year and I'm pretty sure CCBill's been doing it as well.

02-14-2004, 11:26 AM	#1
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	visa steps up with another rule about websites, but this is for the better got this from Epoch New IPSP Rule From Visa Effective Immediately Today, Epoch learned of a new rule being enforced at all IPSP's. This time the rule has nothing to do with chargeback ratios or fines and is simply a procedural change. Visa has instituted a new procedure for adding new sites to client portfolios. Effective immediately, IPSP's are required to submit all new domains requesting credit card processing to Visa for approval. This new Visa registration process means it will now be necessary for sites to allow for additional lead time when setting up marketing for a new site. We expect this process to be fairly expedient and believe that site approvals should only require two business days for approval. Nothing is changing regarding the way new sites should be submitted to Epoch for set-up. The registration submission process is handled by Epoch once you submit a new site for processing. The only difference is that we can no longer promise same day set up for new URL's. a step in the right direction with this one. __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

02-14-2004, 11:28 AM	#2
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02-14-2004, 11:28 AM	#3
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02-14-2004, 11:36 AM	#8
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02-14-2004, 11:38 AM	#9
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	So the word "teen" won't be accepted anymore? __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

02-14-2004, 11:32 AM	#4
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	I don't think punishing honest webmasters with bullshit rules in order to police dishonest webmasters is considered taking a step in the right direction.

02-14-2004, 11:34 AM	#5
sexsup Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,004	Slowly Visa is replacing IPSP's

02-14-2004, 11:35 AM	#7
hershie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,642	What happens when they start delaying the approval process more and more?

02-14-2004, 11:42 AM	#10
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	im sure teen will be, but not pr3teen ya know? __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

02-14-2004, 11:47 AM	#14
Michaelious Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 6,720	Well if it stops dishonesty and 'ilegal' sites then thats good, but if it slows done the whole process then maybe thatwill justcos headaches __________________

02-14-2004, 11:52 AM	#16
Sig Whore So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 789	While this is a step in the right direction unfortunately it will have little or any effect on the dishonest adult webmaster. for example say i own the domain www.sexychicks.com all i have to do by this new procedure is to say Epoch this is the domain i am going to use fair enough, wait two days and have processing up and running for your new paysite. what is to stop me altering the members area of the site once my processing application is completed? absolutely nothing so, i put up a 'fake' tour on the domain for the application process and then as soon as my application is approved i switch out all of the tour pages and members area to a CP site see what i am getting at? Visa seem to be missing the forest because of all the trees in the way here just my

02-14-2004, 11:54 AM	#18
wyldblyss Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Buck Starts Here Posts: 5,779	My worry would be delays. Two days doesn't sound bad but there are no promises. Visa could end up taking weeks to approve a site.

02-14-2004, 12:07 PM	#23
Roger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: MetroCity Posts: 3,181	Let me get this straight. Now Visa has to approve my site? How is that supposed to be good?

02-14-2004, 12:15 PM	#25
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Anyone who thinks this is good is an idiot. If the content is illegal, then Visa or the police have every right to go after the person doing it, but censorship based on arbitrary words will help no one. Wait until they start going after the "bondage" and "bdsm" scene. We'll see how "good" some of you think it is then. __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

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02-14-2004, 09:51 PM	#29
brand0n been very busy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: the queen city Posts: 26,983	bump __________________ want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

02-14-2004, 09:53 PM	#30
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	would that apply tp ASV programs... ?

02-15-2004, 12:56 AM	#31
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	I don't see how this is a step in the right direction and I can't see how anyone else does either. What qualifies to the people at VISA to say what site is alright and what site is not. They don't do this to anyone but adult businesses and why. Well it's because it's the first step to censorship. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

02-15-2004, 01:27 AM	#32
TheDoc Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Currently Incognito Posts: 13,827	I think this is to only approve a domain name for processing, not the site/content, that is the processors job. __________________ ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825 It's all disambiguation

02-16-2004, 10:56 AM	#33
Tam Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: In your face Posts: 8,488	Actually the last 2-3 sites we added at CCBill have had to go thru this review process and we haven't experienced any REAL delays. My newest one I submitted to be done yesterday afternoon and it was accepted and added by the time I got up this morning. I don't like the extra policing, BUT if this is what it takes to get the SHIT out of this industry and make more room for the good ones, then so be it. The ones of us that run honest sites/programs won't really have anything to worry about. It's a little more of a headache, I agree..... but a small price to pay when you think about it. I'll gladly pay that price. And all they really did that was anything extra than what they did before, because I called CCBill and asked them......... is they go into your members area and make sure that what you are selling on the outside is what you have on the inside. I had a site I submitted WHILE I was doing the members area of one of my sites to get it all done, and they emailed me and said the members area didn't match the tour as in what I was offering.... so I called them when I got the members area completed and they processed it on the spot. So it isn't too bad!!

02-16-2004, 11:12 AM	#34
Raven Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 6,874	We just went through the same process with CCBill.....our sites have to be VISA compliant before being accepted for billing. The environment is not good for words like 'young' 'teen', either used separately or together. I do believe site approval will depend on usage of certain words. Co-ed may be the better term, since the US got a case of the hysterics. __________________ Raven ~RETIRED~

02-16-2004, 11:40 AM	#36
Trax [----------------------] Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 14,486	"but this is for the better" yes?? why??

02-16-2004, 11:42 AM	#37
HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	Someone needs to take a lesson from the rap industry on semantics... You listen rap songs and they are always talking about gettting fucked or sucked, but they have new slang for it, so the censors can't do shit. So you can't use teen or young... Just start using a different term till it sticks...

02-16-2004, 05:57 PM	#42
NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	How is this new? I know iBill's been doing it for atleast a year and I'm pretty sure CCBill's been doing it as well. __________________ "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --H.L. Mencken