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Resolute · 02-11-2004, 11:48 AM

InterCept Signs Letter of Intent to Sell Merchant Services Division
Wednesday February 11, 9:15 am ET

ATLANTA, Feb. 11 / -- InterCept, Inc. (Nasdaq: ICPT - News), a leading provider of technology products and services for financial institutions and merchants, today announced that it has entered into a letter of intent for the sale of its merchant services division, InterCept Payment Solutions (IPS). A management group from IPS led by its Chief Executive Officer, John M. Perry, will be part of the purchase group, along with a third party provider of merchant payment services for both traditional and web-based merchants. The proposed purchase price is $37.4 million, consisting of cash, a promissory note, and assumed liabilities. The sale, which is expected to close by the end of February 2004, is subject to execution of a definitive agreement and satisfaction of customary closing conditions.

As a result of the sale of the division, InterCept will incur a non-cash charge of approximately $135 million, prior to the recognition of any associated tax benefits. InterCept expects to recognize these amounts on its financial statements for the fourth quarter and year ended December 31, 2003. End
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I think this is a good and positive thing !! Intercept didn't want to know about Ibill and it was neglected for many reasons. Now Ibill under the management of a strong team headed by John Perry can do what Ibill does best !! I am VERY Confident in this development and am sure it will benefit webmasters.. Resolute T i m.

02-11-2004, 11:49 AM

link?

VideoVoyeur · 02-11-2004, 11:51 AM

And IF and thats and IF they would decide to NOT do processing for adult sites...

heh... Think about that for a minute...

smokingjoey69 · 02-11-2004, 11:51 AM

Anyone who considers John Perry and his Atlanta cronies a "strong team" has never met them.

Wonder if he's going to continue his plan to drop the internet work and go "brick and mortar"? Does anyone really think a fledgling company will maintain offices in Nashville, Delaware, and Florida while Perry's home is in Atlanta?

SteveLightspeed · 02-11-2004, 11:52 AM

Spoiled milk doesn't magically get better.

If Ibill ever paid the money they owed me, I might have a higher opinion of them.

Now that John Thorpe has left, I've pulled all our processing from them completely.

CCbill and Epoch understand the word TRUST, Ibill doesn't.

Steve Lightspeed

[illnet]-Romeo · 02-11-2004, 11:52 AM

I sale this sig space

Peaches · 02-11-2004, 11:53 AM

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040211/finan...tercept_1.html

axelcat · 02-11-2004, 11:53 AM

Is this true?

VideoVoyeur · 02-11-2004, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by axelcat
Is this true?

Ya

VideoVoyeur · 02-11-2004, 11:55 AM

NEW YORK, Feb 11 (Reuters) - InterCept Inc. (NasdaqNM:ICPT - News), which offers banks electronic fund transfer and other services, on Wednesday said it entered a letter of intent to sell its InterCept Payment Solutions merchant services division to its chief executive and others for $37.4 million.
The Atlanta-based company said the purchase price includes cash, a promissory note and assumed liabilities. It said it expects to take a $135 million charge from the sale, prior to tax benefits, for the fourth quarter ended Dec. 31, 2003.

Geexus iBill was 135 Million in the hole and never told anyone?

icedemon · 02-11-2004, 11:58 AM

More info at
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/tic...mbo l=US:ICPT

NetRodent · 02-11-2004, 11:59 AM

No, Intercept lost $135 million on the purchase and sale of iBill.

Sosa · 02-11-2004, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
NEW YORK, Feb 11 (Reuters) - InterCept Inc. (NasdaqNM:ICPT - News), which offers banks electronic fund transfer and other services, on Wednesday said it entered a letter of intent to sell its InterCept Payment Solutions merchant services division to its chief executive and others for $37.4 million.
The Atlanta-based company said the purchase price includes cash, a promissory note and assumed liabilities. It said it expects to take a $135 million charge from the sale, prior to tax benefits, for the fourth quarter ended Dec. 31, 2003.

Geexus iBill was 135 Million in the hole and never told anyone?

OUCH

VideoVoyeur · 02-11-2004, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent
No, Intercept lost $135 million on the purchase and sale of iBill.

And now think about that, why would anyone take a 135 Million dollar cut selling a business.

Something was wrong there, very wrong for them to do that...

Rick Latona · 02-11-2004, 12:03 PM

If anyone knows how to get ahold of John Perry I would greatly appreciate his contact information to be emailed to me at rick AT dollars.com.

Resolute · 02-11-2004, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
If anyone knows how to get ahold of John Perry I would greatly appreciate his contact information to be emailed to me at rick AT dollars.com.

Sure you can get him by call the main Ibill switch

Giorgio_Xo · 02-11-2004, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
If anyone knows how to get ahold of John Perry I would greatly appreciate his contact information to be emailed to me at rick AT dollars.com.

CJBill?

Resolute · 02-11-2004, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by axelcat
Is this true?

Sure Is !!

Resolute · 02-11-2004, 12:27 PM

Scoreman posted this on another thread .... So True !!

The Intercept iBill experiment looks to have finally been ended. Intercept now just needs to take a huge charge, and settle a sizable docket of lawsuits.

One thing that has always been good with iBill is that they paid out reliably. We never had issues with monies that iBill collected on, including reserves, and this issue was perhaps tops on our list of what we wanted in a processor. All has not be so great though. When iBill was purchased by Intercept, real development of adult went into a complete stall. In particular they havent done anything with Revshare, they havent pushed Next Gen out, they havent expanded their incorporation of alternative billing options.

What we did see with them that was good was that they spent a good amount of their energies on relationship building with the card associations, they cleaned up their portfolio and jettisoned alot of higher chargeback clients making the scrub easier on the remainder. The call center that handles customer inquiries also improved imo.

We will miss the financial transparency as I doubt we will be able to see the level of disclosure as to their financial health as well as their fine status with the card associations. To this day we know what they were fined by Mastercard, but that number is unknown for CCBill/Paycom/Jettis etc.

In taking their company private I would hope that the new management would learn from history as what were some of iBill's shortcomings when they were previously a privately held company. Alot of the issues that emerged when old iBill was sold to Intercept came from lack of oversight and a solid system of checks and balances. In their quest for volume, alot of times poor decisions were made (such as the Babenet fiasco). We want the guys who handle our monies to be taking a more conservative route instead of aggressive moves that can endanger the entire portfolio if improperly executed.

GonePhishing · 02-11-2004, 12:30 PM

Wow, that was a huge ass move mang!

Rictor · 02-11-2004, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Spoiled milk doesn't magically get better.

If Ibill ever paid the money they owed me, I might have a higher opinion of them.

Now that John Thorpe has left, I've pulled all our processing from them completely.

CCbill and Epoch understand the word TRUST, Ibill doesn't.

Steve Lightspeed

Wow.

DatingGold · 02-11-2004, 12:37 PM

I wouldn't think a private company would invest that much money into a company that has a large % of their portfolio in the adult business and then drop the adult portfolio.

Either way any business should always have a backup plan.

Peaches · 02-11-2004, 12:58 PM

Just thought I'd sneak in here and mention that there's a company who has been processing checks for years, does nothing but checks and you don't pay unless the check goes through.

Just email me and I can get answers to any questions you have and get you set up!

VideoVoyeur · 02-11-2004, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches
Just thought I'd sneak in here and mention that there's a company who has been processing checks for years, does nothing but checks and you don't pay unless the check goes through.

Just email me and I can get answers to any questions you have and get you set up!

Let me guess is it achdebit.com ???

Peaches · 02-11-2004, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
Let me guess is it achdebit.com ???

What gave it away?!!

DatingGold · 02-11-2004, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches
Just thought I'd sneak in here and mention that there's a company who has been processing checks for years, does nothing but checks and you don't pay unless the check goes through.

Just email me and I can get answers to any questions you have and get you set up!

thread hijacking, spam, completely unrelated

woodman · 02-11-2004, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smokingjoey69
Anyone who considers John Perry and his Atlanta cronies a "strong team" has never met them.

Wonder if he's going to continue his plan to drop the internet work and go "brick and mortar"? Does anyone really think a fledgling company will maintain offices in Nashville, Delaware, and Florida while Perry's home is in Atlanta?

Spoken like a true ex-employee who was shown the door. Did it hit your ass hard on the way out?

sexsup · 02-11-2004, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
And IF and thats and IF they would decide to NOT do processing for adult sites...

They will go out of the biz in 1 sec

MarkIBill · 02-11-2004, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rick Latona
If anyone knows how to get ahold of John Perry I would greatly appreciate his contact information to be emailed to me at rick AT dollars.com.

Rick, just hit you on ICQ.

scoreman · 02-11-2004, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
Geexus iBill was 135 Million in the hole and never told anyone?

I hope you are better at running your sites than analyzing press releases.

Peaches · 02-11-2004, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DatingGold

thread hijacking, spam, completely unrelated

Yeah, how silly of me - people processing their checks through Ibill and want to leave surely wouldn't be looking for another processor...........

scoreman · 02-11-2004, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoVoyeur
And IF and thats and IF they would decide to NOT do processing for adult sites...

heh... Think about that for a minute...

This one is even better than the last.

Ok the minute is up, and I see new investors coming into to buy iBill and why.....? Oh yeah they plan to kick the business making up 90% of their profit to the curb. LOL . Riiigggght.

Like I said before I hope you are a better webmaster than these gems you threw out are showing.

DatingGold · 02-11-2004, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peaches

Yeah, how silly of me - people processing their checks through Ibill and want to leave surely wouldn't be looking for another processor...........

was a joke.. everyone knows wts is good

Peaches · 02-11-2004, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DatingGold
was a joke.. everyone knows wts is good

Whew!

OK, then I will still love you.

Rich · 02-11-2004, 01:38 PM

Hopefully the new owners will have a clue about customer support.

dirtysouth · 02-11-2004, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Giorgio_Xo

CJBill?

Domain: CJBILL.COM
Purchase Confirmation: Thank you for shopping with us.

Ray@TastyDollars · 02-11-2004, 01:52 PM

Does anyone think this will affect their UK division(Ibill Eu)?

Scoreman, I would really like to hear your opinion on this.

thx,
Ray

Juicy D. Links · 02-11-2004, 01:55 PM

I had sex with Ibill

goBigtime · 02-11-2004, 04:38 PM

Hmmmm interesting.

Does the "Intercept Payment Solutions Merchant Services Division" consist of the portion that is Ibill? or the portion that is not Ibill? Anyone call for clarification?

It's curious why the "Ceo and others" want to spend ~$40mil of their own money to buy that portion of the company from shareholders.

ICPT got screwed when they bought Ibill -- Visa regulations were right around the corner & that took a huge chunk out of the value of the deal. Maybe it was already known, disclosed & calculated into the deal -- but I doubt it.

So my question is what is about to happen to the 'Payment solutions merchant services divsion' (and all the other divisions that stockholders will be left holding).... if anything?

Alot of people talk about crazy things set to happen in March regarding CC processing.... well this is very indicative of *something* being up.

goBigtime · 02-11-2004, 04:42 PM

Quote:

InterCept said the purchase group includes Chief Executive John Perry, other management, and a third-party merchant payment services provider.

Oh shit... I see what happend

johnny1 · 02-11-2004, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by scoreman

This one is even better than the last.

Ok the minute is up, and I see new investors coming into to buy iBill and why.....? Oh yeah they plan to kick the business making up 90% of their profit to the curb. LOL . Riiigggght.

Like I said before I hope you are a better webmaster than these gems you threw out are showing.

I Totaly agree!!

Doctor Dre · 02-11-2004, 07:01 PM

It can only get better !

smokingjoey69 · 02-11-2004, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodman
Spoken like a true ex-employee who was shown the door. Did it hit your ass hard on the way out?

Yes, I am an ex-employee, fairly high up the ladder and lots of contact with your apparent hero, John Perry.

And no, I never wait long enough to let a door hit me in the ass, cause I move too fast! Landed a great job in less than a week paying a lot more for a very stable company.

Perry plans to drop adult. Good luck with your next processor. smartass.

Sausage · 02-11-2004, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smokingjoey69

Perry plans to drop adult. Good luck with your next processor. smartass.

?!

tony286 · 02-11-2004, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by smokingjoey69
Yes, I am an ex-employee, fairly high up the ladder and lots of contact with your apparent hero, John Perry.

And no, I never wait long enough to let a door hit me in the ass, cause I move too fast! Landed a great job in less than a week paying a lot more for a very stable company.

Perry plans to drop adult. Good luck with your next processor. smartass.

How come you just show up now? If you have been in the industry for a while. The only real business for third party billers is adult, getting a merchant account for nonadult was a piece of cake.

McVisa · 02-11-2004, 08:27 PM

More on this:

http://www.pimpcafe.com/article2/art...p?article=1656

Paul Dinin · 02-11-2004, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dirtysouth

Domain: CJBILL.COM
Purchase Confirmation: Thank you for shopping with us.

You sneaky fucker.

Cogitator · 02-11-2004, 09:12 PM

i used to work for iBill as well. You're correct in that iBill basically existed because it processed for porn. If you're non-adult, there are any number of processors that'll take 2-3% instead of 10-15% of your money. I don't get why someone would want iBill just to process normal stuff. Very low margin at this point. Of course, just because John Perry wants to buy it now isn't any real indicator of success. He's the one that made Intercept buy them before and they're taking a 135 million dollar charge. His timing has kind of sucked in the past :-)

Ozzymosis1 · 02-11-2004, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Spoiled milk doesn't magically get better.

If Ibill ever paid the money they owed me, I might have a higher opinion of them.

Now that John Thorpe has left, I've pulled all our processing from them completely.

CCbill and Epoch understand the word TRUST, Ibill doesn't.

Steve Lightspeed

Fuck IBill.

They have owed me a pretty large sum of money for a long time know...

jimmyf · 02-11-2004, 09:36 PM

ibill will not be around much longer, 7 months, a year.

02-11-2004, 11:48 AM	#1
Resolute Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,143	Breaking News - Ibill Sold InterCept Signs Letter of Intent to Sell Merchant Services Division Wednesday February 11, 9:15 am ET ATLANTA, Feb. 11 / -- InterCept, Inc. (Nasdaq: ICPT - News), a leading provider of technology products and services for financial institutions and merchants, today announced that it has entered into a letter of intent for the sale of its merchant services division, InterCept Payment Solutions (IPS). A management group from IPS led by its Chief Executive Officer, John M. Perry, will be part of the purchase group, along with a third party provider of merchant payment services for both traditional and web-based merchants. The proposed purchase price is $37.4 million, consisting of cash, a promissory note, and assumed liabilities. The sale, which is expected to close by the end of February 2004, is subject to execution of a definitive agreement and satisfaction of customary closing conditions. As a result of the sale of the division, InterCept will incur a non-cash charge of approximately $135 million, prior to the recognition of any associated tax benefits. InterCept expects to recognize these amounts on its financial statements for the fourth quarter and year ended December 31, 2003. End ------------------------------------------------------- I think this is a good and positive thing !! Intercept didn't want to know about Ibill and it was neglected for many reasons. Now Ibill under the management of a strong team headed by John Perry can do what Ibill does best !! I am VERY Confident in this development and am sure it will benefit webmasters.. Resolute T i m. __________________ [email protected] ICQ 325624405

02-11-2004, 11:52 AM	#5
SteveLightspeed Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Lightspeedworld Posts: 7,940	Spoiled milk doesn't magically get better. If Ibill ever paid the money they owed me, I might have a higher opinion of them. Now that John Thorpe has left, I've pulled all our processing from them completely. CCbill and Epoch understand the word TRUST, Ibill doesn't. Steve Lightspeed __________________ Abra-cadabra!

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02-11-2004, 11:59 AM	#12
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02-11-2004, 11:51 AM	#3
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	And IF and thats and IF they would decide to NOT do processing for adult sites... heh... Think about that for a minute...

02-11-2004, 11:51 AM	#4
smokingjoey69 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 5	Anyone who considers John Perry and his Atlanta cronies a "strong team" has never met them. Wonder if he's going to continue his plan to drop the internet work and go "brick and mortar"? Does anyone really think a fledgling company will maintain offices in Nashville, Delaware, and Florida while Perry's home is in Atlanta?

02-11-2004, 11:53 AM	#7
Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/040211/finan...tercept_1.html

02-11-2004, 11:53 AM	#8
axelcat Adult Locals Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Coast Posts: 25,450	Is this true?

02-11-2004, 11:55 AM	#10
VideoVoyeur So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 2,181	NEW YORK, Feb 11 (Reuters) - InterCept Inc. (NasdaqNM:ICPT - News), which offers banks electronic fund transfer and other services, on Wednesday said it entered a letter of intent to sell its InterCept Payment Solutions merchant services division to its chief executive and others for $37.4 million. The Atlanta-based company said the purchase price includes cash, a promissory note and assumed liabilities. It said it expects to take a $135 million charge from the sale, prior to tax benefits, for the fourth quarter ended Dec. 31, 2003. Geexus iBill was 135 Million in the hole and never told anyone?

02-11-2004, 12:03 PM	#15
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02-11-2004, 12:27 PM	#19
Resolute Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,143	Scoreman posted this on another thread .... So True !! The Intercept iBill experiment looks to have finally been ended. Intercept now just needs to take a huge charge, and settle a sizable docket of lawsuits. One thing that has always been good with iBill is that they paid out reliably. We never had issues with monies that iBill collected on, including reserves, and this issue was perhaps tops on our list of what we wanted in a processor. All has not be so great though. When iBill was purchased by Intercept, real development of adult went into a complete stall. In particular they havent done anything with Revshare, they havent pushed Next Gen out, they havent expanded their incorporation of alternative billing options. What we did see with them that was good was that they spent a good amount of their energies on relationship building with the card associations, they cleaned up their portfolio and jettisoned alot of higher chargeback clients making the scrub easier on the remainder. The call center that handles customer inquiries also improved imo. We will miss the financial transparency as I doubt we will be able to see the level of disclosure as to their financial health as well as their fine status with the card associations. To this day we know what they were fined by Mastercard, but that number is unknown for CCBill/Paycom/Jettis etc. In taking their company private I would hope that the new management would learn from history as what were some of iBill's shortcomings when they were previously a privately held company. Alot of the issues that emerged when old iBill was sold to Intercept came from lack of oversight and a solid system of checks and balances. In their quest for volume, alot of times poor decisions were made (such as the Babenet fiasco). We want the guys who handle our monies to be taking a more conservative route instead of aggressive moves that can endanger the entire portfolio if improperly executed. __________________ [email protected] ICQ 325624405

02-11-2004, 12:30 PM	#20
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Peaches Old broad Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Away Posts: 13,933	Just thought I'd sneak in here and mention that there's a company who has been processing checks for years, does nothing but checks and you don't pay unless the check goes through. Just email me and I can get answers to any questions you have and get you set up!

02-11-2004, 11:49 AM	#2
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	link?

02-11-2004, 01:38 PM	#35
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Hopefully the new owners will have a clue about customer support.

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02-11-2004, 04:38 PM	#39
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	Hmmmm interesting. Does the "Intercept Payment Solutions Merchant Services Division" consist of the portion that is Ibill? or the portion that is not Ibill? Anyone call for clarification? It's curious why the "Ceo and others" want to spend ~$40mil of their own money to buy that portion of the company from shareholders. ICPT got screwed when they bought Ibill -- Visa regulations were right around the corner & that took a huge chunk out of the value of the deal. Maybe it was already known, disclosed & calculated into the deal -- but I doubt it. So my question is what is about to happen to the 'Payment solutions merchant services divsion' (and all the other divisions that stockholders will be left holding).... if anything? Alot of people talk about crazy things set to happen in March regarding CC processing.... well this is very indicative of something being up.

02-11-2004, 08:27 PM	#46
McVisa Registered User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 38	More on this: http://www.pimpcafe.com/article2/art...p?article=1656

02-11-2004, 09:12 PM	#48
Cogitator Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 672	i used to work for iBill as well. You're correct in that iBill basically existed because it processed for porn. If you're non-adult, there are any number of processors that'll take 2-3% instead of 10-15% of your money. I don't get why someone would want iBill just to process normal stuff. Very low margin at this point. Of course, just because John Perry wants to buy it now isn't any real indicator of success. He's the one that made Intercept buy them before and they're taking a 135 million dollar charge. His timing has kind of sucked in the past :-) __________________ - this space intentionally left blank - Last edited by Cogitator; 02-11-2004 at 09:16 PM..

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