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chowda · 02-07-2004, 11:24 AM

i know the traffic is there.

i know that credit cards are not there.

i would assume productivity is somewhere average

but would it be profitable in terms of sales?

Rhino22 · 02-07-2004, 11:26 AM

sure, why not!

Pipecrew · 02-07-2004, 11:27 AM

Quote:

i know that credit cards are not there.

Quote:

but would it be profitable in terms of sales?

02-07-2004, 11:27 AM

who knows chowdude, it might just be the "next big thing"

go for it

{fusion} · 02-07-2004, 11:27 AM

they got credit cards, just there own like great wall card ect

seen it done with cash4china.com but no idea how there sites do.

traffic is cheap but i think would be tough battle

chowda · 02-07-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally posted by Pipecrew

dialers. sms.

Strife · 02-07-2004, 11:55 AM

I double dog dare you to try it

Vitasoy · 02-07-2004, 11:57 AM

sure, why not

strobi · 02-07-2004, 11:58 AM

can you write chinese?

playa · 02-07-2004, 12:07 PM

it might be good investment,

serve them free porn and get a good base of bookmarkers

and in the next ten years when communism falls in china more people start getting credit cards, then you'll be thehun of chinese surfers

chowda · 02-07-2004, 12:10 PM

i wonder if thehun.cn is available...

sexsup · 02-07-2004, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chowda
...would it be profitable in terms of sales?

If you know how to sell to them the answer is yes of course

candidpublishinginc · 02-07-2004, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by playa
it might be good investment,

serve them free porn and get a good base of bookmarkers

and in the next ten years when communism falls in china more people start getting credit cards, then you'll be thehun of chinese surfers

Communism more or less fell in China on the economic front. It still there on a political and social level, but there is a lot of $$$ in China.

A growing number have Yuan debit cards, although not compatible with Visa/Mastercard it also doesn't have the bullshit either like chargebacks.

We are working on a billing solution that will not require (but will accept) Yuan debit cards so you can bill ALL Chinese Internet surfers.

Expect to see it late 2004 early 2005.

Lykos · 02-07-2004, 03:34 PM

Go for it

some_idiot · 02-07-2004, 03:59 PM

Mei you cha bei. Se qing bu fa.

Ai you, Wo de zhong wen bu hao!

Tight · 02-07-2004, 04:17 PM

To answer that question, you need to consider a few points here:

Traffic wise, Chinese internet traffic is huge and still one of the fastest growing region in the world.

But look at the GDP per capita there, you really cant expect many ppl to sign up for $20+ per month. Yes, there are lots of really rich ppl in China, but they are all in clusters of those biggest cities.

If you are gonna do it, you need a way to only let in traffic from big cities. (Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing, etc)

One really hard problem to solve is that the Chinese government has cencership regarding to what sites that mainland ppl can have access to, a lot of places in China cant access CNN for example. And they update this list all the time, so if your TGP got big enough and its marked as not appropiate then they will just block you from mainland traffic.

Believe me, if it is any easier, a lot of ppl including myself would have already done something with it.

candidpublishinginc · 02-07-2004, 06:59 PM

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Originally posted by Tight
To answer that question, you need to consider a few points here:

Traffic wise, Chinese internet traffic is huge and still one of the fastest growing region in the world.

But look at the GDP per capita there, you really cant expect many ppl to sign up for $20+ per month. Yes, there are lots of really rich ppl in China, but they are all in clusters of those biggest cities.

If you are gonna do it, you need a way to only let in traffic from big cities. (Hong Kong, Shanghai, Beijing, etc)

One really hard problem to solve is that the Chinese government has cencership regarding to what sites that mainland ppl can have access to, a lot of places in China cant access CNN for example. And they update this list all the time, so if your TGP got big enough and its marked as not appropiate then they will just block you from mainland traffic.

Believe me, if it is any easier, a lot of ppl including myself would have already done something with it.

You more or less have it. However here's a few points

1. Hong Kong is a seperate semi autonomous territory with its own legal system, economy, border, and currency however it is under Chinese administration.

The GDP per capita in Hong Kong is comparable to Europe, Canada, and the U.S. Hong Kong has the freest economy in the world.

Also they have Visa/Mastercard there.

2. As far as mainland cities go.....the GDP per capita is closer to $10k. Most Chinese surfers have money to spend since they can afford Internet access at $20 (dialup) to $40 (DSL) a month.

For most Chinese 300 Yuan a month ($37) is a bit much for a paysite. But they will be willing to pay 300 Yuan for a year for example.

Also almost no one has a Visa/Mastercard. So it is tough to convert Chinese traffic even if the paysite content is localized. You need to accept Yuan debit cards....or even better.....come up with a solution that will accept other forms of payment that are easily accessible to every Chinese surfer. That is what we are coming up with.

3. Having your TGP or paysite blocked is really not much of a risk. China is more interested in blocking political sites, but has shown little interest to block porn sites. Most of the big porn sites are not blocked. Even sex.com isn't blocked.

4. Dialers are not a good solution because China compresses its telephone circuts for international calls. This is great for voice traffic but bad for data meaning that most modem to modem calls won't sync up and if they do it's slower than 9.6 killobits.

abyss_al · 02-07-2004, 07:08 PM

i have one:

www.21asian.com

lock · 02-07-2004, 07:17 PM

After playing a bit with asian traffic i would pass.

candidpublishinginc · 02-07-2004, 07:19 PM

Tight,

What have you tested your Chinese traffic with so far? Just curious.

beemk · 02-07-2004, 07:19 PM

theres only 1 way to find out.

Pervypete · 02-07-2004, 07:25 PM

I just signed up for a trade with that one.

- it's interesting, this thread about conversions vs productivity from the far east.

Hell, let's give it a try

wimpy · 02-09-2004, 05:32 PM

china will never be a big market because they all fileshare big time. Piracy in china is just a way of life, they all do it.

None have credit cards, they all fileshare. Bad combo.

cocky · 02-09-2004, 05:36 PM

post your results

icu33774 · 02-09-2004, 05:40 PM

chowda might be on to something. hw many visiotor come to your website and cant read english?

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