To trade shit traffic for shit traffic. Also very productive.

Thank you ... I will add them in my next "round".

As said before this was not part of this test. There are several reasons, among them technical ones (I am just switching payment processors :Graucho )

Maybe I will include those figures in my next test.

I think that is true for most internet businesses!

How can anybody make any conclusions, then you dont want to show how many sales each traffic source is?

My index page is a php script and traffic is counted in one of the first lines of the script. So I would even count traffic where a surfer decides to press [stop] in his browser.

Please have a look at our site: http://www.jennycards.com and decide yourself if it's a "paysite" or a "freesite". I believe it's something in between.
Actually we have surfers who buy on their first visit, surfers who use the site a long time and never pay ... and some who use it for free and after some time eventually purchase a membership.

As my site doesn't fit in any of the usual categories I simply wanted to mayke my own conclusions.

It's definitely up to you to decide if my figures lead to any conclusions for you.

They do it for me.

My comments were more general in nature, and didn't apply specifically to your site. Jennycards.com is a good example of a site that "filters and scrubs" console traffic, but I think we had that conversation when you originally approached us to buy exit traffic.

And, to all those "traffic broker haters" out there, despite what you may think, not *all* brokers are selling shit traffic that they cannot convert themselves. In fact, we keep between 40%-60% of our traffic for ourselves, and sell the rest to diversify our revenue streams. Our long-term buyers will tell you that they definitely make money from our traffic!

Jennycards is providing a good service (as Choker is) to separate the good from the crap.

This has got to be one of the most important posts on this board in a lonnnnnng time.

I don't know why I don't listen to myself sometimes but this post is highly reassuring.

Years and years ago I learned one thing:

Traffic is only as good as it's good for you.

I've had big sites link to me and some traffic converted and some didn't.

Yet my biggest discoveries were:

Hunt your own targetd audience. You don't need 8 billion goo gob people who won't pony up for shit. You need a solid 1-5,000 who will. That's your foundation. But you'll only get that if you have something worth interest. Umpteen similar content sites ain't shit. It's a first-come-first-traffic scenario which is hit or miss at best.

That's where site design comes in. I've seen sites with the same content but one is attractive and the other looked like it was put together by Uncle Fester on crack.

So I stayed away from the traffic brokers until I could see that they had targeted niche specific traffic and that there was a reputable watchdog in the industry to maximize ROI.

So I worked my traffic hunt with stealth. I don't do my site full time like many but I like to be precise. Fan base is the key. Thats' what separates the chaff from the wheat. Happy fans means loot in hands.

So several weeks ago I started another traffic safari. Doing what I used to do and adding new twists like trading links for free art and original content. I did that years ago with Horny Hank and Blacks On Blondes. I really liked working with Hank and recently started up with him again because he's fun to work with and I actually ENJOY doing a free toon series for him. These tactics bring me traffic of interest. Add to that other targeted niche communications via the web I've found that 'control' means efficient ROI.

Now if a site is starting out and you need to publicize perhaps a traffic broker is neato-nifty.

Earlier this week I got listed on the Hun. It'll still take me days to figure out what happened where and what the conversion ratio is if any. I found quickly who your friends and enemies are once you do get listed by the Hun. It's an experience I'll never forget and am optimizing should he list me again one day.

Bottom line I've found is traffic isn't always what it's cracked up to be, but the webmaster and his support and affiliates had better be.

You started this thread, no me. I just can't figure what the point is. It is not about sale, it is not about prod. You claim you get US/CA if you can't. You did't buy US/CA at sexzity even that i do sell it.
So the point is vary hard to figure, but if i make a excel calulation, to see what a click on your site cost you this is the result:

Name, 1 click, 5 click
fcptraffic 0,001212 0,000808
Sex.com 0,045871 0,027385
Google 0,013824 0,009748
sexzity 0,003423 0,001589
adulttrafficsale 0,001391 0,000623
hits2biz 0,004603 0,002586
Trafficshop 0,014711 0,001918
Adulttrafficgenerator 0,017692 0,001538
Hitsup 0,007776 0,00736
E-webtraffic 0,001556 0,000376

Damn thats a real good post. Thanx a lot :) I'l know who to buy from :P

Yea but there are questions and there is ABUSE . Some customers talk to you an hour before spending 100 $ . On that 100 $ you have to give away 60 $ for expense and 30 $ to your designer . you end up with 10 $ and you have to pay the rent for you business ? nah ...

The people who ask the most questions are often small buyers . Big buyers know what they want.

Stop beeing on the defensive ... Yes you can compare it if you show the price paid for it :)

People don't only buy the traffic for sales . They also buy it to boost their TGP trades etc. Productivity is important too .

I just had a look at your site and saw that you were in fact offering country filtered traffic. I apologize that I didn't notice that before. I promise to include some of this in my next test.

Still it remains unclear why I am missing some 15% of the traffic I had bought from you while other brokers were much closer to what they were supposed to deliver.

Thank you so much for this point. I am glad I am not the only one.

Yes, i am defensive, the reason is simple:

1. the site is to a half paysite, witch my traffic is useless on. I have NEVER anyones that my traffic convert on a paysite. If anybody have ask i have being ornest, nomatter that i did't make the sale.

2. To make a post to a where convertions is everything, it would have be most fair to tell how many signups it made on each broker. If any broker made 10 signups, i bet that broker would like that posted!

3. Any traffic sources has it forces and something it is useless for.
Exit traffic to a paysite is useless. Google addword is very expensive to feed a tgp site. US target traffic is useless to a german dialer page.

Maby your site have being down, i dont know. But i know every single exit is send.

Yes i know.
google addword prod: 65.52%
sexzity prod: 8.2%

But if you look at the cost per click. addword cost: $0.013824 a click from sexzity cost $0,003423
You can't read that out of the list posted.

You can if you do your own math. That "magic" figure very much depends on the type of your site.
For example: Chinese traffic may be attractive for a chinese TGP while I consider it negative for my english language paysite.

Yes
Here is the first...
"N. American: Anything else than North American traffic does not convert for me. If possible I am always buying country filtered traffic."

Why didnt you buy americans only?

Wow! Not only does this thread have solid data instead of the usual bs, there are cool ass sigs on here too!

Jennycards, I definitely wanna talk to you!
:)

I'm a professional cartoonist and I might have something for you.

You don't even have the dignity to tell who you got US/CA traffic from and who you got unfiltered from.

I think that jennycards was believed they were buying "unfiltered" from everyone. At least, that's what they got from us.

What you've done was a lot of work, and you put nice effort into it, however..

How can you compare Traffic sources to traffic brokers to autosurf traffic, and which ones of them did you buy US traffic from and which were world traffic or "other".

Your results, although did take a lot of work, are basically worthless.

You're comparing exit to popunder to clicked to autosurf, and I'm sorry, but this just doesn't fly.

It makes no sence at all, and it's perfectly clear that you knew nothing about the differences in traffic before you started this.

The hardest thing for me when working with a new person is to try to get them to understand that "traffic" is not "traffic".

You have some good sources on there who are made to look like shit because you're comparing them to different traffic types.

You are also reporting on the basis of USA traffic, when you bought USA traffic from some sources and not from others.

Comparing apples to oranges doesn't work, and although I understand what you were trying to accomplish, ane the effort involved, again, your results are utterly worthless. :(

Again it depends what your goal is. For example, if your objective is to boost your ranking on a public counter so that you attract customers to pre-pay more for ads and gallery spots (the more traffic you have, the more they will pay per spot/add), it could make sense to trade shit traffic for shit traffic.

And you would be suprised just how many huge TGPs and other sites do exactly that.

Thaffic to make the counter go boom I call it :)

You want to know what the saddest part of this is? People read the first post or two in a thread and form an opinion based on that.

Whether it's fact, fiction or bullshit, people read things and form a lasting opinion because of what someone posted.

Sometimes it's inadvertant on the poster's part, and sometimes it's intentional. It causes damage that's unrepariable in many cases, and some poeple actually start threads for that purpose.

Here's a nice little example, true or not, some people read the first post and it sticks.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=232369

I disagree. Traffic brokers have to know that a large number of (potential) customers have not bought traffic before and have little or no idea what to expect for their money. But knowing that, even those who may be legitimate do little to dispel the confusion. Few sites have much useful information and trying to get it through direct contact is often like pulling teeth.

Which makes any information useful and although cost per click is only part of the story, it is an important part. Unless someone is simply trying to pad his counter to con advertisers, ultimately he is buying clicks. It doesn't matter whether he is trying to sell something or build trades, if surfers don't click, nothing is going to happen.

For sure, if I had a specific project of my own in mind, these numbers only give me a starting point. But at least now I have that.

Every traffic know what hes traffic is best to used on.

Please note, jennycards, did't provide you with any infomation on what one click cost on her site.
She did't tell you what convert or what did't
She did't tell who she paid country traffic from and who she brought unfiltered from.

So the 3 things there realy count, she did't tell you.

And what i can read you thing to leave out information, is just okay to rate brokers on?

1) Of course I know that I can't directly compare clicked traffic to popups. But there is the price which is supposed to "normalize" the results. So at the end of the day, I dont care where the traffic is coming from as long as it does to me what I want.

2) I though I had done everything to get U.S. traffic. If this is not the case (for Sexzity) I apologize for this. I promise to do better next time.
Nevertheless: Even if I don't ask for a specific country, getting 99% chinese traffic is close to screwing. Or getting all traffic from only 2% different IP addresses? :Graucho

Nice stats! I'll keep it for further look! thank you! :thumbsup

Thanks for posting that. I have really enjoyed reading this thread!

indeed, thanks :winkwink:

O.K. ... I made my homework this morning and am posting some additional information about the traffic I had bought.
You can see now if the respective site is offering country filtered traffic, if I had opted for this type of traffic and how the traffic is advertised on their website.

Hope that makes a few things clearer.

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You are welcome to contact me on os{at}jennycards.com .

Did my last post answer some of your questions?

Interesting post :)

Now, jennycards, your post as interesting as it is, is missing some points. One of them is that without ROI, there's no possible comparation, specially when you're mixing different types of traffic. On the other hand, traffic, as different as it can be, can be compared easily. Just take the amount of traffic you bought (no matter which kind), the CPM and the ROI and you've enough data to know what works better for you. You can add additional variables (we do) to measure different things, but this is not philosophy, it's pure maths: if I invest 60 bucks in Google traffic and get 150 in return and I invest 60 bucks in exit traffic and get 200, then things are more than clear. After all, I couldn't care less if the traffic has great CTR, or multiplies by 1000 or whatever. I just care about the relation between gain over investment. Simple as ABC, everything else is just blabbling, I don't buy traffic to say "traffic froma A is better than traffic from X". I buy it to make me money.

As for my experience on this, I never bought to some of these names, and now I see this stats, I won't touch them even with a 10 feet pole, so your data is very useful for me on that aspect. But I bought a lot of traffic to some of these names and some that you don't mention, and I've very similar figures. Personally, I think Ravo's fpctraffic is the best, not counting Google and sex.com. Sexzity and AST are fine if you filter their traffic heavily and divert it to a pool of options (which of course I won't tell :winkwink: ), not the best traffic but not worthless either. One of my partners is testing Trafficshop right now, waiting for feedback on it. I see you had pretty fair results with hits2biz, our experience was really bad, which leads me to another lost point: not all target pages will work the same. And that's when your stats are no fair for the traffic sellers, because a lot of people who reads your post prolly won't read further or take the time to research a little.

Anyway, all in all, very interesting post. :)

And some last words of advice: there are some few good traffic sellers. But be very careful when you buy traffic, specially from unknown people, it's an activity where scamming and cheating is the common rule

As you could see, my whole spending for this test was tiny. My intention was to find good traffic sellers for larger campaigns in the future.

And of course, I am very curious to learn which sellers you have good experiences with ... if you don't want to post them, email me on os(at)jennycards.com :winkwink: