Will Shaving Increase now that CB pain is going to increase? - GoFuckYourself.com

reynold · 01-26-2004, 05:35 PM

Also with slow death of popups and cross sells rumored to be on the way out, 2 things can happen........keep payouts the same but increase shave OR lower payouts

What's your opinion?

reynold · 01-26-2004, 06:33 PM

Rolo · 01-26-2004, 07:49 PM

In time the PPS cash cow will produce less and less milk - no matter how hard you try to squeeze the teats, so if affiliates want the same payout, then they will have to choose:

1. Tighter affiliate control, more shaving etc.
2. New business model

Lower overall payouts would make the industry stronger, since it would clear the way for new sponsor concepts, new billing options/methods etc. however right now most affiliates would rather get paid $35 on a low cost CC trial, then try to shape the future.

At the end it doesn´t really matter, since evolution takes no prisoner - given a long enough timeline, then we are all doomed

detoxed · 01-26-2004, 07:53 PM

DatingGold doesnt have any cross sells in the first place, and popups arent a major source of income at all. No lowering of payouts for us!

Rich · 01-26-2004, 08:03 PM

It already has.

Theo · 01-26-2004, 08:07 PM

| lower cb ratio = higher retain ratio = more money made |

icedemon · 01-26-2004, 08:19 PM

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Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
| lower cb ratio = higher retain ratio = more money made |

Just wondering why you feel a lower chargeback ratio means a higher retention ratio?

Theo · 01-26-2004, 08:25 PM

if you isolate fraud, cross sales etc paysites that retain more than the industry average seem to have extremely small cb %

I can't back it up with numbers, but that's the feedback im receiving from paysite owners. You can see a logic from the surfers point of you as well on this.

big paysite owners your thoughts please

corvette · 01-26-2004, 08:27 PM

soul, icq me please

45471840

Rictor · 01-26-2004, 08:30 PM

Nah, this isn't new. The per sign-up programs new this was coming.

reynold · 01-26-2004, 09:06 PM

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Originally posted by Rich
It already has.

I wonder when all the $10 micropay sites will start causing a chain reaction........

icedemon · 01-26-2004, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
if you isolate fraud, cross sales etc paysites that retain more than the industry average seem to have extremely small cb %

I can't back it up with numbers, but that's the feedback im receiving from paysite owners. You can see a logic from the surfers point of you as well on this.

big paysite owners your thoughts please

Those that isolate fraud, no cross sales, updated daily with good content, etc. mean lower chargebacks. But lower chargebacks doesn't mean longer retention (or more money). Chargebacks have nothing to do with retention that I can think of. If a site doesn't retain customer now, they won't either when they find a way to lower chargebacks.

I bet alot of these chargebacks are from just not canceling customers when they request it or giving them a refund when they complain.

You might be thinking that they will lower chargebacks by making their site better, therefore the retention will be better. I think they'll then more likely cancel them when they request it rather than spend money to make their site better.

Theo · 01-26-2004, 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by icedemon

I bet alot of these chargebacks are from just not canceling customers when they request it or giving them a refund when they complain.

I think so too. But how many surfers will skip a refund request and go directly get a cb because they found disappointing the members area? Even webmasters among us go get a cb when the service wasnt what they expected. (we saw such thread yesterday). I'm afraid there are lot of 'em..... By meeting surfers expectations you retain them more and keep the cb levels lower. I cant tell if the difference is that noticable overall.

Will shaving increase or not? If a sponsor managed till now to stay below visa % limits, has a high per trial payout with no shaving going on......I can tell there's still room for improving and meeting surfers expectations. How many sponsors are like these? A couple. For the moment i'm staying with them.

Monitor the billing practises of your sponsor. If you notice a serious change while the payouts remain the same start to worry about :-)

I'm expecting to see the impact of popupblocker on the new IE update. No doubt 2004 is gonna be again the year of drastical changes. Afterall its the adult industry

BradShaw · 01-26-2004, 10:07 PM

Shaving is a myth. When peoples biz is down, they yell shave and are wrong 99% of the time.

corvette · 01-26-2004, 10:34 PM

keep a close eye on your affiliates and give them a reasonable payout for their traffic, don?t have misleading billing tactics, offer good value in the members area and regularly update, use a good web host, offer good customer support, take responsibility for running and managing ALL aspects of your business...run a good business and you will have low chargebacks

xxxdesign-net · 01-26-2004, 11:57 PM

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Originally posted by icedemon

Just wondering why you feel a lower chargeback ratio means a higher retention ratio?

lower cb = satisfied clients

Matt_WildCash · 01-27-2004, 01:01 AM

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Originally posted by corvett
keep a close eye on your affiliates and give them a reasonable payout for their traffic, don?t have misleading billing tactics, offer good value in the members area and regularly update, use a good web host, offer good customer support, take responsibility for running and managing ALL aspects of your business...run a good business and you will have low chargebacks

True that, we are at 0.09% right now, no trials selling quality product & lots of updates = almost no chargebacks.

chAos · 01-27-2004, 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Shaving is a myth. When peoples biz is down, they yell shave and are wrong 99% of the time.

I will diasagree on your myth senario... that has been something that has been around forever .. but i will say that if you actually have a site that is worth a shit then your retention ratio will be better hence you will be able to keep a great % program and not ever have to think about shaving a webmaster ..

Rich · 01-27-2004, 12:31 PM

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Originally posted by BradShaw
Shaving is a myth. When peoples biz is down, they yell shave and are wrong 99% of the time.

Funny how Mark De seems to think most programs DO shave. hmm, who's right...

bluff · 02-06-2004, 02:28 PM

Shaved pussy is better than shaved stats... unfortunately, both may be shaved close soon.

01-26-2004, 05:35 PM	#1
reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	Will Shaving Increase now that CB pain is going to increase? Also with slow death of popups and cross sells rumored to be on the way out, 2 things can happen........keep payouts the same but increase shave OR lower payouts What's your opinion?

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reynold Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Global Traveler Posts: 51,271	bump

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01-26-2004, 10:34 PM	#15
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	keep a close eye on your affiliates and give them a reasonable payout for their traffic, don?t have misleading billing tactics, offer good value in the members area and regularly update, use a good web host, offer good customer support, take responsibility for running and managing ALL aspects of your business...run a good business and you will have low chargebacks __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

01-26-2004, 07:49 PM	#3
Rolo Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 555	In time the PPS cash cow will produce less and less milk - no matter how hard you try to squeeze the teats, so if affiliates want the same payout, then they will have to choose: 1. Tighter affiliate control, more shaving etc. 2. New business model Lower overall payouts would make the industry stronger, since it would clear the way for new sponsor concepts, new billing options/methods etc. however right now most affiliates would rather get paid $35 on a low cost CC trial, then try to shape the future. At the end it doesn´t really matter, since evolution takes no prisoner - given a long enough timeline, then we are all doomed

01-26-2004, 07:53 PM	#4
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	DatingGold doesnt have any cross sells in the first place, and popups arent a major source of income at all. No lowering of payouts for us!

01-26-2004, 08:03 PM	#5
Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	It already has.

01-26-2004, 08:07 PM	#6
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	\| lower cb ratio = higher retain ratio = more money made \|

01-26-2004, 08:25 PM	#8
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	if you isolate fraud, cross sales etc paysites that retain more than the industry average seem to have extremely small cb % I can't back it up with numbers, but that's the feedback im receiving from paysite owners. You can see a logic from the surfers point of you as well on this. big paysite owners your thoughts please

01-26-2004, 08:30 PM	#10
Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Nah, this isn't new. The per sign-up programs new this was coming.

02-06-2004, 02:28 PM	#20
bluff Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Bluffville Posts: 6,253	Shaved pussy is better than shaved stats... unfortunately, both may be shaved close soon.