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[xwebdesigner]

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[Rodent]

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[Webmasterbaby]

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[boneprone]

Always hear this from the fucking fools.

Maybe we should get rid of all free porn?
Turn everything to pay per view?

Obviously you see no value in free porn.

While we are at it should we ban free TV?
This way Movie Films will flourish? Or put all sports on pay per view?

Like free television networks, free sites are limited to what they bring us. Without free "stuff" would as many people have TV's just to order payperview? Would people still have internet if they had to pay for everything they wanted to see?

The answer is no.. Not in the large scale it is at today. There is a fine dynamic the free sites on the net and the free TV networks provide for pay sites on the net and cable networks.

It all starts with free. Free gives the population access, access to get to these pay sites, and drives intrest and money these pay sites would not have otherwise.


Would movies like Pearl Harbor, Planet of the Apes, Artifical Intellgence and all other movies this summer make the millions of dollars it will with out advertising on the free medians of media? Hell no..

These payperviews, movies, concerts, and pay porn sites all need free medians to promote and attract market share to thier product.

Do you think People would run out and buy the fucking back street boys music or pay to see them in concert if it werent for seeing them free on MTV, or hearing them free on the Radio??

Hell no..

There is a fine dynamic at work here, to just simply say free is not good is a very ignorant statment for a very complex dynamic.

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[boneprone]

In addition free still seems to be doing quite well.. Payed advertisement space on many tgps are still top $$ in price, tgp gallery listings on free tgps still get signup ratios that are very profitable..


In my opinion the pay per view industry and way of bussiness has single handly destroyed the boxing industry.. Once a very profitable sport on free Television networks, is now a dying hurting bussiness. A sport without the spotlight it once had.

Sure people in Vegas, and die hard boxing fans say the sport is great, but your avarge Joe doesnt know even know who Roy Jones Jr. is.. And many critics have been saying for over 15 years he is the best pound for pound fighter..

Why is there no attetnion on him, because the free media has been shunned away from fighters. You want boxing, you pay for it on payper view or special cable networks.

Now look at the talent less annoying back street boys.. You hear their fucking music sooo damn much on the radio it makes my nuts itch! You figure how could they make soo much $$ in selling music that sucks especially if it is saturated on the radio waves and MTV FOR FREE! Yet these bastards are non talent CD selling machines!!

Make access to them more difficult and get rid of the free access to see them on MTV, and hear them on the radio, they are nobodys. Not making the crazy loot that they make now..

Go figure.



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[mischief]

Aside from making some excellent points, I don't believe I've ever seen you carry on so long without mentioning itchy nuts.

[mischief]

oops, I missed that itchy nuts comment near the end of your second post, still, it's a record I'm sure.

[titmowse]

oh boney!

I think you are getting to the heart of what the gods of internet marketing completely lost site of.

Just like teevee and newspapers and magazines, the ads pay for everything. You give em someting they want and they will suffer the advertizing.

These Ecommerce boobs thought they could invent some whole new, way of marketing. A whole new, way of trade. A special world where every one would live and buy all their possessions through their cleverly named portals.

The internet is just another boob tube. We get the same things in cyberspace we get from teevee: entertainment & information enveloped between repetitive auto suggestions on what floor wax to buy.

yer so deep boney!

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[Tucks]

Interesting take on the situation boneprone. I'd agree, there is a necessity for free sites in order to stimulate demand and provide a (cost effective) means for promoting premium services. The problem is the new demand generated by these free sites is lagging behind the supply created by these same hundreds of thousands of new free sites.

Online porn is shifting from a service model to a commodity model, with no differentiation in perceived quality between free and pay sites. It used to be galleries were full of shitty pics, with upsells to sponsors who offered better pics, movies, streaming videos, etc. It was a model that clearly worked as the old-timers like to point out ("I remember back in '96, you just tossed some banners on a page and...."). Now there's movie posts with a dozen 5Meg films updated daily There's also much less innovation going on. 'Voyeurdorm' type-stuff, TGP's, link lists, email programs - those were all innovative when they arrived and helped keep the industry 'fresh'. But you don't see much innovation anymore, just mimics (624 TGP's listed at DMOZ). Innovations now are things like dialers (no offense), homepage hijacking and more sophisticated CJ scripts. Effective in a way, but not exactly stuff that grows an industry.

Porn's just becoming a commodity, same thing as selling salt. Nowadays a surfer believes he can find the same quality pics, movies, streaming videos, etc. on free sites as the paysites - so why pay? Note I said the surfer *believes* that to be the case, not saying it is the case. And the biggest reason for that is so many of the premium sites are completely inept at building a brand name, and so many free site webmasters are pushing these sites. Using your analogies, imagine 100,000 MTV stations pushing 400 different boy bands, or 20000 TV stations advertising 250 different movies - each claiming to be this summer's blockbuster. The consumer wouldn't buy into any of them.

Lack of developing brand recognition is a huge problem, but there are a few exceptions in the industry. Best, I'd say, is the folks at voyeurweb.com who have created THE brand name for voyeur fans. AP seems to know what's going on, with a consistent-looking banners over the years and focusing on one site in one niche. The Jennacash thing looks like it has great potential to build a recognizable brand name among surfers. But then there's the MaxCash's and Cybererotica's, each pushing 50 paysites, with 200 different styles of banners. Consumers see that stuff and will learn to ignore it, if they haven't already.

That said, bitching about free sites is a complete waste of time since absolutely nothing is going to slow it down. It's going to be up to the sponsors to develop products that entice a surfer to rise above the free smut.

[loster]

Supply and Demand. Work with it ;-)

Like was mentioned by bone, tucks, and tit, bitching rarely accomplishes anything. What determines your success is your ability to understand the industry's direction, and how well you act on that knowledge to stay ahead of the competition. You need to be able to innovate and distribute positive ideas in ways that are beneficial to all that are involved. You have to be on the ball. Take care of that, and the rest of the industry will figure itself out.

Have a great day,
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[ammo325]

This is the way I see it. Free porn is there obviously as it always has been. But the potential for generating signups is still strong for several reasons.

First, the average porn surfer spends alot of time trying to find just the right kind of shit to get off on, so eventually they will whip out the CC when something catches the eye.

Second, Dialers, consoles, cj sites, and automatic changes to the browser settings give someone the feeling that they need to surf securely, this can always be done in a pay site.

And lastly, alot of the content starts to look the same to the average surfer, once paying for a site and entering, the splash page alone is enough to say to them "I look good and will always have fresh shit for you to choke the chicken on, enjoy"

So as long as we have the average surfer we will always have the average member!


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[titmowse]

ah! ah! but we have something else to consider: who are we marketing to?

there are still thousands of newbies a day logging onto the internet for the first time. they will buy anything once.

there are millions of experienced porn surfers who know where the free stuff is. they will pay only for a unique and quality product.

the experienced users will become the norm. as many people that own televisions now will, eventually have an internet-enabled device.

the newbie well is drying up.



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[Muff]

ok, who Stole Boneprones Password and posted that intelligent reply?


Nice post if it was really the one and only.

[boneprone]

my nuts itch

[wolfshade]

Pay per pic sounds good also

Every pic behind a dialer

Wolfshade

P.S.

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[Kimmykim]

"Would movies like Pearl Harbor, Planet of the Apes, Artifical Intellgence and all other movies this summer make the millions of dollars it will with out advertising on the free medians of media? Hell no.. "
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They don't show the entire movie on the trailer, just a tiny bit that's been selected to tease and taunt the viewer into wanting more and being ready to pay for it.

Free is a problem in this industry -- more on the webmaster side than the surfer side tho.

Any time you have an industry that has an entry level commitment of 0 dollars, you're asking for the rock bottom of the working world to enter into it, since just like mlm or other deals like it, people get attracted to the something for nothing philosophy and many of those people are going to make nothing anyway. They just screw up the business for the legitimate balance in the industry.

Why should a webmaster care that the industry is teaching surfers to be smarter and cutting dollars out of our own pocket in the process?

They get free content, free hosting, free advice, free food and booze at shows, you name it. Then they go out and steal more content, abuse the freehosts they use, bitch about the fact that the free content is stale and the freehost gets the best banner spots.

I'm not against teaching a man to fish but it sure would be nice if he'd at least buy his own fishing rod and some bait every once in a while.

[SABAI]

alelluyah kimmy !!!

i totally agree with you....

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[Ludedude]

Hey, I resemble that remark

NOTE--->

I agree 100% Kim; so what are the big time operators going to do to teach the new people right from wrong?

Maybe someone should speak to the terra people for starters...

grinning, ducking and running...

PS. Yes, I pay for hosting on a dedicated box
and I own over 45,000 licensed pics.

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[Rose]

Kimmykim
I couldnt say it better..

[titmowse]

ah! ah! but see, here's what i'm thinking. the same kind of surfer that actually signs up from tgp clicks is the newbie!

eventually if not already many of those that saw incredible profits from their gallery submissions or tgp sites are seeing now, a marked decline in actual sign-ups.

so, if this is what i believe to be a now experienced market, then we have to address these surfers. what do we do with them?

do we cut em off completely and tell em: only pixilated images for you now buddy!

do we give them just enough to tease, kind of like the sample tray at the local deli?

do we continue to fool them into sales with guerilla marketing tactics?

what? what?



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[Rose]

Ludedude
Terra is only very little part of problem.
I dont know who "xwebdesigner" is
but he said exactly what 99% surfers are
thinking.And we can only blame ourselves.

[Kimmykim]

Terra's not the only one, pick ANY of the freehosts and no matter how well they police themselves they are still full of stolen and other illegal content -- I'm a firm believer in percentages and if X% of the people running paysites are theives then that same X% of the freehosters are too... and there's so many more freehosters that for the 10 complaints I got yesterday for CI on Cavecreek or CCBill stuff, I'll bet the freehosts got 1000.

I'm not sure that the big programs can do a single thing to teach thieves not to steal ludedude -- and in my mind there's a gap the size of the Grand Canyon between a newbie making an honest mistake before he knows the rules or the law and a repeat offender who's always getting notice of theft. No one's going to teach the latter anything since he already knows what he's doing.

There are lots of people who started on free hosts, free content etc, who went out and bought their fishing rods and bait, just like you ludedude, it's the one's who don't and won't make enough to ever care about their business that I'd like to see shot

[Kimmykim]

or at least poked in the eye with a fish hook...

;P

[ldinternet]

Originally posted by Rose:
Ludedude
Terra is only very little part of problem.
I dont know who "xwebdesigner" is
but he said exactly what 99% surfers are
thinking.And we can only blame ourselves.

xwebdesigner is matt40oz, x-rated, etc etc.

Apparently his name is "Alex Shapalov" from Russia.

You'll find him in the hall of shame after he tried to rip off Amateur Pages. He's just stirring shit.

[pr0]

wHATeverrrr im about to buy a 2001 corvette, & i post tgp's & free movies..its just to get em all riled up & ready to spend sum cash! w00t



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[PrivateEye]

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[polish_aristocrat]

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[strobi]

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[Ash@phpFX]

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[Basic_man]

You look like a basic surfer.. lol !